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Isn't John Cage functioning more like a pop star than a composer? Much talk and media space for him, much "influence", but his music is not making true impression on audiences

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I think the best players and best musicians should be chosen for elite orchestras without paying attention on gender/race etc. membership. But I know this is not quite how it's done today

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The Prélude at first listening seems improvisational and almost free-form; If that is how it sounds on the first listening, than that is what it is "All music is arbitary, but it must not sound that way!" (Stravinsky) I would agree with dulcinea - I also feel there are much more "shoking" composers...

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Paul Hindemith - Mathis Der Maler (symphony) I listened only the first movement some time ago and now went thourgh the whole thing (on recomendation of some people from this forum). It is a superb work, all three parts are full of atmosphere, have particulary memorable parts and are greatly structu...

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Mahler's 6th has been called the first modern symphony. He was a primary influence on Shostakovich, Schnittke, Schoenberg and Berg. His penchant for parody and irony has been widely adopted by later composers. Why 6th and not some other? I don't see it as any more modern than other Mahler symphonie...

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J.S. Bach - English suite (from computer midi)

Never heared anything this dull and unoriginal. Why is this held for one of better Bach's works is beyond me at the moment

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Orlande de Lassus - some compilation starting with "Aurora lucis rutilat - Motet a 10", sung by the choir of New College Oxford. Sounds springty and serene, good stuff for laid-back listening

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This Requiem is in a way one of my favourite pieces of music, being hypnoticaly beautifull at times, but... ...don't you think it comes down to parts 1 (introitus), 6 (sequentia, around the middle), 12 and 14 (reprise of introitus)? The rest sounds theatric and common, like Mozart was short on real ...

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Schumann: Concerto for Violoncello and Orchestra in A minor (Op. 129)

Another inspired mess - seems that is what you can expect from him (this is my second Schumann expirience, the first being symphony no.1)

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It just came to my mind that Brahms wrote those famous "Haydn variations"... how apropriate.

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I've read a lot of musicology, but I've never read anyone who would rank Liszt with Handel, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Wagner or Brahms ouch! Brahms and Haydn should be excluded from any list of top ten composers Haydn's records should have "60+" etiquete on them (not for younger then 60 ye...

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Oh, I actually completely skipped that third movement... I'll check it out later, thanks for suggestion. It's the second that left me bored

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ON the 4th symph 1st mov subject: this is the most moving Brahms work I ever heared, both the opening theme with it's deep harmonic impact and the way he worked out the whole thing - not much to bore or bother you there. There is still the folk-sounding feeling throughout the movement, but lesser em...

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Lance, thank you for support. The truth is I already said everything I had on the subject, so I don't think I will bring it out too often in future. But I hope there will be people here who are into more interesting hi-tech works of composers born after WWII (it's not that there is a huge scene out ...

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karlhenning: The symhpony in three parts. And it was only the first movement I realy listened to - didn't quite get the other two, sounded like bland variations

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no.10 was a joke, right?

"Falling in trance to Bruckners adagio" is no lesser achievement that falling asleep on the bed of needles

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Paul Hindemith: "Mathis Der Maler" (hope the spelling is right) I like all of this retro-modern take (say Stravinski biblical and ancient-inspired stuff), and this is something like renessance-modern music. NOt too spectacular, but harmonicaly it is interesting and I also now see where John Williams...

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Brahms wrote: Every person (even a moron) is entitled to his/her opinion (See First Amendment).

We finaly agree

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Saphire, it's true that this definitely is not the right place for mentioning electronic instruments. But don't you find it strange that no one seems to care for planting-over of the most universal qualities of classical music into hi-tech aproach? Why all the universal virtues of classical music ha...

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I like the part where Brahms quotes for a couple of measures, "Home On The Range". That's some folk tune, I suppose. He uses them alot, like the children's lullaby quote (almost) in 2nd symph 1st mov. As I already said, his themes sound a bit flat and folkish to me. Whole B-minor piano concerto is ...

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Corlyss_D wrote:
Dalibor wrote: He is the only musician who appears in a video game "civilisation" after all.
Well, that endorsement is a sure sign of Bach's genius.

He is in the company of the very most important names throughout human history there. And he is the only musician

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And you know this because . . . . ? ??? There was no kind of music Bach was alien to, is that right? He probably didn't like all of it, but he certainly understood all the music he heared in his time and there was no sort of music he had defensive attitude towards, like people from classical music ...

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Music is certainly more naturaly connected with visual arts actually Yes, of course. That's why we have so many classical music works inspired by Michaelangelo, Raphael, Titian, Da Vinci, El Greco, Picasso, Renoir, Rembrant, Vermeer, Turner, etc., and so few inspired by Goethe, Dante, Schiller, Sha...

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I think things like this simply don't work. It's not short skirts that classical music lacks today. It's music itself that can't touch people anymore. The reasons are multiple - the most important is global cultural deterioration, due to population explosion and materialism - but strictly classical-...

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What I ment is that there shouldn't be an instrument that is difficult to be played in tune, and expecially that that is not something to kind of be proud about

I also personaly don't like the sound of a violin - unlike violonchelo which has such a beautifull and noble timbre

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Lance, as first thank you for reading this bunch of my posts and answering most of them. As for this one, you understood me wrong on numerous ways. As first, I am nothing near to a composer or a musician of any kind. I do have some musicality, but that's about it. I simply love music. But I DO NOT l...

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An answer on the topic: when I am aware of someones reputation (collective opinion), I seek to confirm it through personal expirience. If my expirience doesn't match with collective opinion, I have to decide weather I just don't get it, or the collective opinion is false. I can't tell exactly how I ...

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paulb I like that you have opinion and that you go with it What I don't like is what I feel is the source of your opions. I think you are listening to too much music - a professional listener maybe? Or an active musician? In this second case it is unavoidable deformation - but whatever, in order to ...

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... lied in inventing common-sounding folk tunes. Although mostly known for orchestral works, he wasn't an orchestraly-minded, wide-breathed musician such as Beethoven; he was actually a melodist, and a simple one, who coped with those grandiose orchestral forms with a lot of effort and little self-...

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"Hypocrisy"? How so, I beg thee tell me. I will. I remeber my first visit here a few years back. It was on-line analogy of a linch (how do you spell it?) The reason? I wanted to speak about possibility of enchancing classical music with electronic instruments. I got many direct personal insults and...

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Hello, new to the forum. Sorry if I am posting this in the wrong place, hope it isn't a problem. Only 16 years old, 17 in a few weeks. I have developed an interest in classical music. I already played the cell at school for some years. I began to listen to classical music only recently. I always li...

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I feel that music is the least accademic and the most instinctive of all the arts, not to say the most unserious art. But it is also the most powerfull and truthtfull one. The most emotional and the most mathematical of arts at the same time - it's kind of magic And when we are at it, I see classica...

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This is a philosophical question. Sartre postulated that music and drama (plays, opera, ballet, etc.) are based on time principles (unlike painting, sculpture, etc.) and that these are the "greater" of the arts, due to beginning, movement, climax and end. Anything that Sartre said should be taken w...

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It's interesting to note how carefully you all avoided to mention that music can also convey atmospheres and sensations, or more precisely to evoke a world itself rather then our emotions or will inside that world. This is called impressionism, if I recall well? I was always puzzeled as to why peopl...

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I would never go to the concert like that Totaly ridiculous, has nothing to do with classical music

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Lurkers: However, you are ENCOURAGED to participate. Don't feel that you don't have the knowledge or may be inadequate in a subject. We're all here to learn and share ideas and thoughts about classical music. This is a very well behaved music board. We don't tolerate picking on others or making fun...

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jbuck919 wrote: I tell people who are in an in-between situation that it is easier to make one hundred foul shots in a row in basketball than it is to play a violin consiistently in tune. That's an exaggeration, but not much of one.

What a bad instrument, that violin.

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A joyfull thing in this sad state is that classical music journalist still keep doing a good job on satanising everything that has to do with new electronic tecnhology

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Who ever enjoyed a work by Webern? I do, I do. Cheers, ~Karl Hmm. Are you sure? As for the theme itself (early music), I'm not that interested to evangelise about when it started/ended, but I am interested in this: why there is less and less harmony in "new" music, as opossed to the early? When I s...

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The german romantic affectionados cry "its still alive and as fresh as ever, as lovely as the day it was scored" The problem, as they see it, lies with anyone who cannot hear as they hear. Agree yet ask many of them about Schonberg, Berg, Webern. :? "duh" Don't even ask them about Schnittke and Pet...

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Of course Schoenberg's music is (still perceived as) difficult and "unpopular" ,but most serious,well informed musicians (or music lovers) do understand -at least- his historical and artistic stature. It takes time, commitment and historical insight to grasp the full meaning of his work. He was an ...

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Yes, Schoenberg's method was simply a way of organizing logically what had taken place chaotically up to that point in time. How comes then that his music sounds so chaotic? I myself couldn't tell when Schoenberg misses a note on his piano. He produced the first music that you need to learn how to ...

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Maybe Björk will produce the next masterpiece rather than someone from classical tradition. ?? Bjork's music is not very tastefull neither creative at my opinion. I don't see a way for her to produce a single decent song, and not to speak about a "next masterpiece". ....classical music, which steri...

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I know only Ravels version and find it very good, except "Baby Yaga" which came out more sparse than I would like. For me, this version could be bettered only by a very inventive musician, and who would use some modern stuido techniques.

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by Pierre Schaeffer (French experimentator with first electronic sound devices), taken from http://emusician.com/em_spotlight/Pioneers_Sampling/ : Schaeffer despised the trends of classical music in the 20th Century, still embroiled in the 12-tone and serialist methods of Arnold Schoenberg and his d...

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I noticed there is alot talk here about performances of this and that work. Don't you think that it is mostly due to the fact that there was no recording technology in old days? If composers had those devices they could record their's music exactly as they wanted it to sound and I suppose much of th...

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Every oper of Wagner is flawed, as Rossini expressed long ago:

"Wagner had beautifull moments and awfull quarter-hours"

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There are a few film scores that are very haunting. Try choir section from 2001: Odissey in space or Mike Oldfields scoundtrack for "Killing Fields" - the track "Prans' Escape/The Killing Fields".

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It was Beethovens 5th symhpny, Mozarts 40th (or was it 41th?) symphony - first movements, and Bach&Vivaldi baroque compilations, that I found in my fathers collection. And also Tartinis Devils Thriller (is that how it was named?) and Josef Suks four pieces for violin and a piano (op 17). I was six y...

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I don't like jazz neither hip-hop. Only classical and electronic music.

But it seems that synthesizer music is the last thing that can be discussed on this board, even hip-hop is discussed more relaxed.

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