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by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Symphony No. 8
Replies: 2
Views: 51

Re: Schubert Symphony No. 8

"The final years". Ineffably sad since these should have been the 'prime years'.
by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Re: Schubert Piano Sonatas

Right; you've convinced me here and now that I need the 'complete' Schubert Klaviersonaten von Kempff. As soon as possible. With the mercury nudging 38 degrees here today after only the end of winter a bare few weeks ago I can see I'm going to be 'her indoors' most of this dreaded summer. We seem to...
by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:05 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: José Carreras Exits on His Terms
Replies: 18
Views: 144

Re: José Carreras Exits on His Terms

I very much remember Jose's leukemia battle since my mother had died only two and a half years previously of cancer and Jose's story filled me with dread. He always struck me as a gentle man and I'm glad that he has had 30 more years of life since his terrifying illness. He will have been to hell an...
by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: José Carreras Exits on His Terms
Replies: 18
Views: 144

Re: José Carreras Exits on His Terms

It's been a very long time since Carreras sang well. I assumed he had long since retired; he should have. Well, now he has, and it really makes no difference at all. With characteristic gentleness and sensitivity you make you point!! :roll: As for the comments regarding Bernstein's nastiness do rea...
by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:15 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Re: Schubert Piano Sonatas

Thanks for the tip. That last movement of D959 is just so thoroughly Austrian and its subject is much like a hymn; I absolutely ADORE IT . And the final flourish in the coda; ecstasy. Good to follow the score on IMSLP. (You'll notice I changed my typo just after you'd highlighted my quote: it was D9...
by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Re: Schubert Piano Sonatas

It's 3am here in Sydney and I'm listening to Kempff playing D959 via U-Tube. I only have Pollini and Richter playing this and Kempff's version is quite different, starting right at the opening chords. He seems to focus on the rhythm of those chords throughout the first movement; I haven't heard that...
by Belle
Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:07 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Symphony No. 8
Replies: 2
Views: 51

Schubert Symphony No. 8

This afternoon I've been listening, for the first time, to Kleiber's performance with the Wiener Philharmoniker of this beautiful, unfinished symphony by Schubert. It's a tumultuous, high-voltage affair and I absolutely love it. And I've downloaded and printed the score to follow along. https://www....
by Belle
Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Bononcini, Il trionfo di Camilla (1696)
Replies: 5
Views: 67

Re: Bononcini, Il trionfo di Camilla (1696)

I saw "Rodelinda" and "Guilio Cesare" (the latter only in concert) at Theater an der Wien in 2011 as well as "Alcina" at Wiener Staatsoper later that same year. All three had period orchestras; Concentus Musicus/Harnoncourt (so much missed!) at Theater an der Wien and Musiciens de Louvre/Minkowski a...
by Belle
Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:49 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Bononcini, Il trionfo di Camilla (1696)
Replies: 5
Views: 67

Re: Bononcini, Il trionfo di Camilla (1696)

Thanks Len; that was rather reminiscent of Handel without the florid and virtuosic melismas - but it didn't have the 'grunt', if I can use that word. I have a large collection of Handel operas on CD and it's always good to hear contemporary works which provide something of a comparison.
by Belle
Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Bononcini, Il trionfo di Camilla (1696)
Replies: 5
Views: 67

Bononcini, Il trionfo di Camilla (1696)

I don't know if any of your are familiar with this opera by Bononcini. It fell into obscurity for centuries after the composer's death but it was a hot property during its day!! Two weeks ago at our music appreciation lectures a retired Associate Professor discussed this opera at length. She is a pe...
by Belle
Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

I misinterpreted what you said. I completely agree with you about the expressiveness of that opening movement in the D Minor Concerto. Many critics of the day said how 'violent' it was, particularly in those opening measures!! In fact, you probably know the audience at Leipzig behaved very badly at ...
by Belle
Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:21 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Re: Schubert Piano Sonatas

I'll wade through the poor sound quality tonight and listen again to Richter in light of what you've said.
by Belle
Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

I'd say that "power of expression" can be a musical quality, as long as we're clear about what music does or can express. The philosopher Peter Kivy has gone into this in several books, and concludes that while musical expression can and often does entail what he calls the common and garden variety...
by Belle
Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:33 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

I wonder what you think of this quote, which I've just turned up in Swafford: " In sheer ambition, tenacity of purpose, and power of expression , what Brahms achieved in the 44 minutes of the C Minor Symphony (No. 1) rivals Wagners' achievements in the 12 hours of The Ring "(p.412). I think it's no...
by Belle
Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

Schubert's symphonies were all composed while Beethoven was still alive. So, they don't technically qualify as 'after Beethoven'. Most were written after Beethoven's last symphony was written, to be sure, but I still think the Brahms C Minor symphony is finer than any by Schubert and Swafford explai...
by Belle
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

I do not know the Brahms works for organ at all; have never heard a single one. Brahms and Clara Schumann both disliked intensely the music of Liszt; I'm sure you knew that. I felt it was rather boorish of them both to treat him with such disdain since Liszt was generally a very kind man who did a l...
by Belle
Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:10 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Re: Schubert Piano Sonatas

It's a total joy! Total. I have Richter playing this but the sound quality is so bad I hardly ever listen to it. But I had the Schiff going on my Bluetooth just now while I've been trading on the share market. Takes much of the stress out of it!!
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dame Kiri retires
Replies: 24
Views: 430

Re: Dame Kiri retires

For a minute there, Barney, I thought you'd said 'haute couture"!! When I looked closer it was "whore to culture". This distinction is small, I admit, but nonetheless significant!! :) I don't think JohnF can be accused of myopia, since he knows a lot about Clive James, Robert Hughes and many fine Br...
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:04 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

I seem to recall from Swafford's biography on Brahms that he actually did play the Handel Variations in concert himself. I'll see if I can find the quote/s. But this was, staggeringly enough, a comparatively early work by Brahms and he did definitely play it in musical evenings with Clara and their ...
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:31 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
Replies: 20
Views: 235

Re: Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120

The Diabelli Variations are anything but comic. If one wants comic from Beethoven, who was capable of it, there is this much earlier set. Obviously the Diabelli Variations aren't a laff riot from beginning to end, but I agree with Brendel that the piece is essentially comic, in the sense that "Le N...
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's 32: Stephen Kovacevich
Replies: 8
Views: 391

Re: Beethoven's 32: Stephen Kovacevich

Yesterday I spent much of the day listening to Kovacevich playing Beethoven's " Hammerklavier ", comparing it to versions I have by Richter, Pollini and Brendel. I quickly put the Richter to one side as I consider he was way past his prime when he recorded these late Beethoven sonatas (there were ma...
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Re: Schubert Piano Sonatas

I meant 7th Grade in the Australian Music Examinations Board syllabus for piano. It traverses 1st to 8th Grades, then Associate , then Licenciate (which my mother earned at 16). Most people enter the Conservatory for further study after (or concurrently with) earning their Associate ! I stopped shor...
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:06 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: 1 Tishrei 5778
Replies: 4
Views: 93

Re: 1 Tishrei 5778

Thank you, Donald, for the good wishes. I'm not Jewish but my great grandmother was a Jew with the same name as the painter - Rubens.
by Belle
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert Piano Sonatas
Replies: 17
Views: 228

Schubert Piano Sonatas

Here is a Schubert's sonata which you don't hear very often and it's a terribly interesting work; I remember playing the first movement for my 7th Grade piano exam years ago. This movement is rather intriguing; it has some elements of lieder in the bass line (and particularly in melody and bass in t...
by Belle
Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dame Kiri retires
Replies: 24
Views: 430

Re: Dame Kiri retires

I'm sure John can speak for himself, but I interpreted what he meant as singing at a world sporting event is hardly commensurate as the benchmark for the success of an international operatic career. I don't think he was putting down the sport of rugby necessarily!! :D And I agree with your comments ...
by Belle
Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's 32: Stephen Kovacevich
Replies: 8
Views: 391

Re: Beethoven's 32: Stephen Kovacevich

Just listened to Sonata No. 26, " Les Adieux ". Drama and poetry aplenty but not happy with Kovacevich's playing of Bars 166-173 in the final movement, which is choppy both in the first iteration and this repeat at the end of the sonata. You lose the sense of rhythm here when Kovacevich concentrates...
by Belle
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dame Kiri retires
Replies: 24
Views: 430

Re: Dame Kiri retires

And I forgot Ernest Newman, also of the Manchester Guardian, who was the doyen of English music critics in his time. All is forgiven!!! :lol: With reference to the ' West Side Story ' clip, a friend presented a program just recently to our music group on that musical, going back to its beginning in...
by Belle
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's 32: Stephen Kovacevich
Replies: 8
Views: 391

Re: Beethoven's 32: Stephen Kovacevich

The Complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas performed by Stephen Kovacevich have just been delivered to my postbox and liberated from their packaging by my husband!! Guess what I'll be doing for the rest of the, er, day?? :D Just when a lot of Beethoven is never enough, there's also Jan Swafford's excellen...
by Belle
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dame Kiri retires
Replies: 24
Views: 430

Re: Dame Kiri retires

I thought she'd sung her last somewhat more than a year ago, certainly hadn't heard anything from her or about her for some time, but there it is. No doubt predictably, the Guardian's story is parochial about her rise to fame. It does not mention her breakthrough Metropolitan Opera debut in 1974, w...
by Belle
Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:34 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Judy Garland Show
Replies: 3
Views: 190

Re: Judy Garland Show

Judy Garland never lived up to her youthful reputation, in large part because of the regimen of drugs she was put on with the consent and cooperation of her mother. Jack Jones's father was Alan Jones, in his time a famous singer who is perhaps best remembered for the worst scene in the Marx Brother...
by Belle
Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:34 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Judy Garland Show
Replies: 3
Views: 190

Judy Garland Show

I just watched on pay television a program from the series " The Judy Garland Show " from 1964. Jack Jones was on the show and he would have been 26 years old. He sang this howler from Burt Bacharach/Hal David, " Wives and Lovers ". What a flip back to the days when women were chained to the kitchen...
by Belle
Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:58 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Gone With Wind Columbus Statue
Replies: 15
Views: 421

Re: Gone With Wind Columbus Statue

I have to disagree about the 'golden age' of Hollywood, which went from the mid 30's up to the early 50's when the cartels were broken up. Donald Ogden Stewart, Ben Hecht, William Inge, Clifford Odets, Philip Barry, Arthur Miller, Sinclair Lewis, Bud Schulberg and Aldous Huxley are amongst the estim...
by Belle
Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:34 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Gone With Wind Columbus Statue
Replies: 15
Views: 421

Re: Gone With Wind Columbus Statue

After D.W. Griffith effectively established the vocabulary of film with " Birth of a Nation " it was brought to its apogee in 1939 in "GWTW" - which also included the use of brilliant Technicolor. Belle from what I've seen Birth of a Nation is much more controversial than GWTW. Regards, Len http://...
by Belle
Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:11 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Gone With Wind Columbus Statue
Replies: 15
Views: 421

Re: Gone With Wind Columbus Statue

There are far more important causes celebres than an annual showing of "Gone with the Wind" in one city. Nowadays, anybody can see the movie at home whenever they like; and some, including me, who have never seen it at all, nor care to. I trust the owners of the Orpheum Theatre know their community...
by Belle
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dresden Staatskapelle does pop!
Replies: 4
Views: 521

Re: Dresden Staatskapelle does pop!

Seems to be what music is coming to these days. I looked through the BBC Proms programme and didn't feel inspired to book even one. There are just a couple I'll listen to at home. The whole series will be a good intro for someone wanting to find out a little about "classical music". But is there so...
by Belle
Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alcyone by Marais
Replies: 8
Views: 697

Re: Alcyone by Marais

Absolutely love it and the work of Dr. Christie generally. I think he's retired now as there seem to be new faces in Les Arts. I'll have my music group enthusiastic for more French baroque opera by this time next year. Len, you've got great taste!! Len the CMG epicure!! I love this: https://www.yout...
by Belle
Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:51 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A Doubly Glorious Heavenly Birthday
Replies: 18
Views: 879

Re: A Doubly Glorious Heavenly Birthday

Today I wrote down what Thomas Quasthoff said about Bach in a 1996 documentary. I think it's apposite: " I love Bach so incredibly. The more intensely I study his music, the less I understand it because the degree of its greatness is so superior to my small human existence. I sense it when I sing t...
by Belle
Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:45 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alcyone by Marais
Replies: 8
Views: 697

Re: Alcyone by Marais

This motivated me to find the now out-of-print recording of Alcyone made by Marc Minkowski about 25 years ago. (Believe it or not, one of my interests is French baroque opera.) I finally got it on Amazon; definitely worth listening to if you can find it (I bought the only reasonably priced copy on ...
by Belle
Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A Doubly Glorious Heavenly Birthday
Replies: 18
Views: 879

Re: A Doubly Glorious Heavenly Birthday

Today I wrote down what Thomas Quasthoff said about Bach in a 1996 documentary. I think it's apposite: " I love Bach so incredibly. The more intensely I study his music, the less I understand it because the degree of its greatness is so superior to my small human existence. I sense it when I sing th...
by Belle
Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "Winterreise"
Replies: 15
Views: 713

Re: "Winterreise"

Though Hotter studied with an opera singer, Matthäus Roemer, who had sung the role of Parsifal at Bayreuth, he says that most of the work was with Lieder, and that he only studied operatic roles later. No doubt this is one reason why Hotter's Wotan etc. make so much of the words, not just as dictio...
by Belle
Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:28 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll
Replies: 20
Views: 751

Re: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll

When I said that 'recordings are second best' I meant that the bar is EXTREMELY high already! I was at Harnoncourt's last performance in the Musikverein just over 2 years ago (Beethoven #5); that performance was recorded and was released after he died. So, it was moving to be there on that evening a...
by Belle
Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll
Replies: 20
Views: 751

Re: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll

The most enjoyment of music is by attending a live performance with great musicians led by a great conductor. Sadly, we haven't got Kleiber to listen to, but the greatest musical experiences in my lifetime have been those few concerts led by great conductors where everything just gelled (a Berlioz ...
by Belle
Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:56 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll
Replies: 20
Views: 751

Re: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll

Nothing can replace live performances, in my opinion. This occurred to me when I lived in Vienna and saw and heard the world's greatest orchestras and artists. That's when I realized that recorded music is always second best!!
by Belle
Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll
Replies: 20
Views: 751

Re: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll

If visiting concerts halls for live performances "need not come at all" then I don't see much future for recorded music since those orchestras cannot be maintained simply for the occasional recording contract.
by Belle
Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll
Replies: 20
Views: 751

Re: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll

Thanks for those comments, Lance! :D Recently I watched on U-tube some of those Leonard Bernstein educational broadcasts from the 1950s with the NYPO. I was enchanted by the huge numbers of children and young people and how extremely well-behaved they were!! And one particular program was about Paul...
by Belle
Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:32 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yuja Wang's livery
Replies: 16
Views: 831

Re: Yuja Wang's livery

That will definitely make a difference to the music they play!! :lol:
by Belle
Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll
Replies: 20
Views: 751

Re: Barriers to accessing classical music — UK Poll

The huge crowds which turn out to the "Last Night of the Proms" in the UK are staggering. And the audiences themselves in the Albert Hall are stacked to the rafters for much of the Prom season. I would say the death of 'classical music' has been highly exaggerated and I place no credibility in surve...
by Belle
Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yuja Wang's livery
Replies: 16
Views: 831

Re: Yuja Wang's livery

I didn't ever suggest her talent wasn't absolutely stunning. I simply say I'm disappointed to see the woman succumb to raunch schtick which is so much a hallmark of exhibitionism. My eldest son recently wondered whether it had anything to do with the fact that she was Chinese and had spend her young...
by Belle
Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:00 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yuja Wang's livery
Replies: 16
Views: 831

Re: Yuja Wang's livery

10 years ago I played a gig with the Orchestra of the Southern Finger Lakes, in Elmira, New York. This was on March 4, 2007. Yuja Wang was the piano soloist, and she did a really stunning performance of the Prokofiev 2nd Piano Concerto. She wasn't yet the star she is today (indeed there's no way a ...
by Belle
Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yuja Wang's livery
Replies: 16
Views: 831

Re: Yuja Wang's livery

I'm an 'old fogey' because I have tolerance for unfashionable livery - even when the pull-over is waaaay too big!!! It's the package inside, as far as I'm concerned: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/79/1f/92/791f92de90a51fd4dba8196edcbc57ea.jpg The wonderful Kleiber was very wardrobe-c...