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by Heck148
Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 13 strange deaths of composers ...
Replies: 16
Views: 4153

Re: 13 strange deaths of composers ...

This link comes courtesy of Australia's LIMELIGHT. https://www.limelightmagazine.com.au/features/the-13-strangest-composer-deaths-in-classical-music/ 2 other odd deaths of composers - Wallingford Riegger - (April 29, 1885 – April 2, 1961) - died when he became entangled in the leashes of two fighti...
by Heck148
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schumann's symphony number 2
Replies: 24
Views: 4694

Re: Schumann's symphony number 2

Schumann Sym #2 is an excellent work...I don't know if it's my favorite Schumann - but as with Brahms - whichever I'm listening to is my favorite at the time!! :) Bernstein/NYPO and Szell are very good - Barenboim/Chicago is excellent and has the best mvt II Scherzo I've ever heard - crackling fast ...
by Heck148
Thu May 23, 2019 10:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

I agree with everything you say except for two words: "except Toscanini." Time after time he demanded that his musicians play the music come è scritto, as written. He was famous for that and praised for it by his enthusiasts. but Toscanini was not a rigid purist, enslaved to merely the notes on the...
by Heck148
Wed May 22, 2019 10:18 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

I've looked a little further to find out which conductors Toscanini did criticize, if not Furtwängler. "He calls Stokowski and Mengelberg 'clowns' because of their thirst for publicity" - note, not because of Mengelberg's performing style Toscanini thought Mengelberg talked too much on the podium. ...
by Heck148
Tue May 21, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

My point is that Toscanini wanted to establish a universal understanding for how music should go, i. e. basic rules of the road No he didn't! He established the rules of his road, and other conductors (except for WF) submitted to the powerful influence of his music-making as they heard it. Yes, Joh...
by Heck148
Mon May 20, 2019 7:08 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

I believe Toscanini, Weingartner's motivation for "going by the score" was primarily a reaction to the perceived excesses, and mannerisms that had developed during the Romantic Era - the so-called Austro-German [Liszt-Wagner-Bulow] tradition....in which the conductors sought to insert themselves int...
by Heck148
Fri May 17, 2019 8:45 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

Well there it is. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion, or it wouldn't have gone on this long, if you and Heck148 didn't dismiss performances I think well of as "erratic," I don't regard Furtwangler's performances as "erratic"...I believe he had what he thought were very sound reasons for...
by Heck148
Wed May 15, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

By the way, concerning fidelity to the score: Furtwangler's extremely fast tempo for the very end of the 9th symphony is controversial, and it's not how I'd like to hear that music. But I got out my score and find that Beethoven marked the passage "Prestissimo" as well as fortissimo, and prestissim...
by Heck148
Tue May 14, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

Also, it seems that the softer, more elegant sound of rotary trumpets would be more difficult to balance with the other brass instruments in the climactic moments of Bruckner and Mahler. Am I right? Orchestras that use both, such as the Staatskapelle Berlin are a mystery to me. yes - I think so. A ...
by Heck148
Mon May 13, 2019 6:18 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

Heck, the kind of vibrato ridden , blaring trumpet sound may be ideal for Gershwin , but it's grotesquely wrong for composers such as Wagner, Bruckner, Mahler and Richard Strauss etc . It's like an actor playing the role of a German or Austrian aristocrat and using a Brooklyn accent . It was the pr...
by Heck148
Sat May 11, 2019 10:45 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

The NBC's principal oboe from the beginning to 1943 was Robert Bloom, an excellent player who was a Tabuteau pupil and sounded like it. Nothing harsh about that. The principal flute was John Wummer, who went to the New York Philharmonic in 1942. The clarinetist Augustin Duques wasn't so great. Duqu...
by Heck148
Sat May 11, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Skalkottas' piano works cd
Replies: 3
Views: 3855

Re: New Skalkottas' piano works cd

a few years back played some of his Greek Dances for Orchestra....very fun to play, a bit like "Greek" Bartok!!
by Heck148
Sat May 11, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Young Concert Artists
Replies: 1
Views: 1768

Re: Young Concert Artists

for years, my primary orchestra booked up and coming soloists thru this program....fine artists, many of whom went on to have very successful careers...too many to name...
by Heck148
Sat May 11, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

The main source of coarseness in sound in Toscanini's NBC symphony recordings are the crude, blaring ,vibrato ridden trumpets . The woodwinds also have an unpleasant fluttery rapid vibrato which may have been induced by fear of playing under him for all I know . This interferes with orchestral blen...
by Heck148
Fri May 10, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Sir John Barbirolli
Replies: 75
Views: 23409

Re: Sir John Barbirolli

That's just guessing. The orchestra's four Jewish players had high-quality replacements; the new concertmaster, Gerhard Taschner, appointed by Furtwängler in 1941 when he was only 19, can be heard on YouTube in solo works and he sounds excellent. If you like you can compare the many wartime perform...
by Heck148
Fri May 10, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Sir John Barbirolli
Replies: 75
Views: 23409

Re: Sir John Barbirolli

People asked how performers in Germany were able to rehearse and keep up that standard in the middle of the war. Though doubtful about all this, I'm sure these musicians were a 'protected' species, but as to regular rehearsals.... I think the quality of the BPO did suffer during the war...they lost...
by Heck148
Fri May 10, 2019 10:43 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

Toscanini partisans always say that his tempos were flexible, but while that may have been so in the opera house and in recordings before 1936, it isn't really true of most of his NBC Symphony concerts. His tempos may not have been metronomic but I certainly wouldn't call them flexible. Toscanini c...
by Heck148
Thu May 09, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

....I don't think orchestras such as the Berlin and Vienna Philharmonic etc played all that sloppily " for him . But he wasn't concerned with neatness and accuracy..... for sure...I find that a distraction....I know there was "method to his madness", but it really doesn't click with me. Most of Tos...
by Heck148
Thu May 09, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Alex Ross on Furtwangler
Replies: 63
Views: 23946

Re: Alex Ross on Furtwangler

.....Furtwangler may have been "Hitler's favorite conductor," but he's not mine......Some may admire him. I do not. Thanks, John, for posting Alex Ross's most informative review. I tend to agree with you, Maestro...when I first started listening seriously to music I was most impressed by Furtwangle...
by Heck148
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:07 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Sir John Barbirolli
Replies: 75
Views: 23409

Re: Sir John Barbirolli

Sir John Barbirolli was quite popular with musicians...I had a good friend, violinist, who played with him in Houston...he loved Sir John, and had great respect for him. Barbirolli, child of Italian father, French mother, was born in London and grew up there... Sir John was very fluent in at least 3...
by Heck148
Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Vaughan Williams Tuba Concerto
Replies: 10
Views: 3245

Re: Vaughan Williams Tuba Concerto

VWms Tuba Concerto is a good piece, excellent solo work for tuba....the orchestration, done by one of his students, IIRC, is a bit thick and overdone, but it does not subtract much from the solo piece.... I've played it a few times, once with soloist Sam Pilafian, a virtuoso player [Empire Brass 5te...
by Heck148
Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Vaughan Williams Tuba Concerto
Replies: 10
Views: 3245

Re: Vaughan Williams Tuba Concerto

John F wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:45 am
I have it on a 10" LP coupled with RVW's oboe concerto played by Evelyn Rothwell, which was actually billed above the tuba concerto on the HMV record jacket.
Evelyn Rothwell, oboist, was Sir John's wife, IIRC...
by Heck148
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:16 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Sir John Barbirolli
Replies: 75
Views: 23409

Re: Sir John Barbirolli

One of my favorite Barbirolli discs is his Sibelius works with Halle Orchestra [EMI 1/66] - the "Karelia" Suite ,and "Leminkainen's Return" are real highlights... Halle was perhaps not the greatest orchestra, but they are good, and Sir John has them playing with great panache, bravura, on this disc....
by Heck148
Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Chicago Symphony Orchestra on strike
Replies: 31
Views: 10642

Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra on strike

This is a source of aggravation to me!! I'm was planning on going to Chicago next week - to hear 2 concerts - the Also Sprach Zarathustra, Bluebeard's castle concert 4/2; then the 4/4 program with Shostakovich Sym #2, Borodin #2... The April 2nd concert is already cancelled...no word yet on 4/4, but...
by Heck148
Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Daniel Barenboim Seemed Untouchable. Now He’s Accused of Bullying
Replies: 7
Views: 4366

Re: Daniel Barenboim Seemed Untouchable. Now He’s Accused of Bullying

Barenboim's actions seem pretty lukewarm when compared to some of the past tyrants - Toscanini, Reiner, Szell were all domineering tyrants - perhaps worst of all was Rodzinski, who had a volcanic temper and would execute summary firings....Toscanini, for all his histrionics was not known for summary...
by Heck148
Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: BSO to Flutist: You're Worth Less Than an Oboist
Replies: 15
Views: 9411

Re: BSO to Flutist: You're Worth Less Than an Oboist

Might they be looking for anything and everything that may led to her leaving the orchestra? Will they continue to feature her as they have in the past? We'll see, but one would hope that there wouldn't be any retribution as such....it would certainly be grounds for Ms. Rowe to file an action for m...
by Heck148
Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:32 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Biggest Waste of Money Ever?
Replies: 9
Views: 5207

Re: The Biggest Waste of Money Ever?

The Berlin Philharmonic label has just released a 22-CD set of Wilhelm ​​Furtwängler’s wartime recordings with that orchestra, remastered in SACD. This is probably the most pointless set of recordings ever released. .......Secondly, given that all of the Jewish members of the orchestra had been dis...
by Heck148
Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "Great" new Schubert 9 release...
Replies: 4
Views: 2881

Re: "Great" new Schubert 9 release...

How I do want to hear it is as conducted by Furtwängler with the Berlin Philharmonic in a DG studio recording. But from the versions you prefer, I guess you wouldn't like it. I'm not much of a Furtwangler fan these days. When I first got into classical music -high school - I was greatly attracted t...
by Heck148
Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "Great" new Schubert 9 release...
Replies: 4
Views: 2881

"Great" new Schubert 9 release...

I latched on to a real prize – one that I did not know existed – Schubert – Sym #9 in C Major “Great” – Reiner/ChicagoSO – 12/57 - recorded at WGN TV Studios, live broadcast on WBAI Radio NY – http://www.norpete.com/c1632.html This is a great “Great” Symphony performance, and has moved to the top of...
by Heck148
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Salonen Cello Concerto
Replies: 9
Views: 6265

Re: Salonen Cello Concerto

I heard the premiere of this work, live in Chicago with Salonen conducting, Ma as soloist...
by Heck148
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

I saw the NY Phil. new year's eve concert on PBS conducted by the new man Jaap Van Zweden , and to my ears the brass section was on its bets behavior and at least on television, nothing was harsh or too loud . I heard van Zweden conduct Shostakovich 5 and Prokofieff 5 in Chicago a couple of years a...
by Heck148
Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

I, too, did not attend many Mehta-led concerts during his tenure, nor did I buy many of his recordings, due to my prejudice against the (to my ears) harsh sound of the Philharmonic, both live and on disc. his "Rite of Spring" with NYPO [9/77] is very excellent, however...Mehta certainly has that pi...
by Heck148
Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

Interesting long quote from Mehta, John.... Pretty "brassy" on his part to insist that the LAPO trumpets change horns, and adapt to an entirely different sound....no doubt, Chicago, New York would have told him to go stuff it...also his absurd remark about bringing Wobisch's mouthpiece along is real...
by Heck148
Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

....Depending on equipment/performer, a piston trumpet can sound even more mellow than a rotary trumpet. agreed, piston valve trumpets have a very wide range of tonal possibilities. mostly go piston, but have heard some fine rotary action, for sure. The VPO gets a pretty good sound out of the rotar...
by Heck148
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

Agreed. That's why I kept the old Barenboim/Chicago Bruckner cycle on Deutsche Grammophon. I cannot stand the Bruckner Seventh and Eighth Symphonies with wimpy brass. (And that goes double for Mahler and Shostakovich!) you got it!! Solti's CSO Bruckner #8 - recorded live in Leningrad, 1/90 - the bi...
by Heck148
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

The brass section was waaaay too loud and destroyed the piece in that section. It was recorded too, that evening, and I didn't learn this till later. Sometimes Harnoncourt went overboard. Harnoncourt, ?? Try Solti or Bernstein ....the sound pressure levels could be unbelievable...balance is critica...
by Heck148
Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

big, brassy and loud I reckon that's why the Chicago is my favorite American band. Yup!! :D same here - My training was at Eastman School [Rochester, NY], which was real Chicago, New York, Cleveland territory... I've always loved these orchestras....When the big climax comes, I want to get blown ou...
by Heck148
Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:45 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

Maybe so, I don't remember, though not from me. In an interview at the time Masur cited Bruno Walter as an important influence on him, and I'd say Masur's Bruckner bore that out. Walter liked it big and brassy - full woodwinds and brass - of course, he was most influential during the post war perio...
by Heck148
Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better
Replies: 27
Views: 12394

Re: Memo to the New York Philharmonic: Louder Isn’t Better

NYPO has always played big, brassy and loud, esp from the 1940s on....that's the style of playing, and I love them for it...big, hefty woodwind sound - Gomberg, Wummer, Baker, McGinnis, Druccker, Polisi, Zegler etc -huge sounding section - and the brass has always been big sounding and brassy...Vacc...
by Heck148
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: BSO to Flutist: You're Worth Less Than an Oboist
Replies: 15
Views: 9411

Re: BSO to Flutist: You're Worth Less Than an Oboist

This is great stuff, Heck148. Thanks for posting it. On a different level, it occurs to me that to be a top oboist, or an oboist period, involves a skill that flutists don't have or need. ...... Life is much simpler and I should think rather cheaper for flutists. Each instrument has its unique chal...
by Heck148
Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: BSO to Flutist: You're Worth Less Than an Oboist
Replies: 15
Views: 9411

Re: BSO to Flutist: You're Worth Less Than an Oboist

This is a complicated question - and has many parallels with the sports world....major orchestra contracts generally set a minimum salary scale that will apply to all core contract members....principals will negotiate their own salaries above the minimum. there is no set scale for principals, there ...
by Heck148
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:01 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Karl Henning
Replies: 19
Views: 12791

Re: Karl Henning

Oh, No!! So sorry to hear this...Karl's a good guy, I had the pleasure of meeting him, and my little chamber group also premiered a work or two of his....hoping for a full recovery for our friend...
by Heck148
Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dvorak Symphonies 7, 8 and 9
Replies: 17
Views: 5521

Re: Dvorak Symphonies 7, 8 and 9

Also, don't overlook the Symphony No. 6 in D major, originally published by Dvorak as his No. 1 - not often performed but it deserves to be... Yes, for sure, #6 is my favorite Dvorak Symphony....reminds me a bit of Brahms Sym #2 - same key, etc... It's actually been gaining some ground in concert p...
by Heck148
Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dvorak Symphonies 7, 8 and 9
Replies: 17
Views: 5521

Re: Dvorak Symphonies 7, 8 and 9

#7 - Monteux/LSO - oner of the great Monteux/LSO recordings of late 50s/early 60s...this one is just right...Kertesz/LSO is very good also... #8 - Kertesz/LSO is my fave...Szell/CleveO is very fine also.... #9 - Close for this one - Toscanini/NBC/'53 - one of AT's best ever; Reiner/CSO is right up t...
by Heck148
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top orchestras
Replies: 37
Views: 8937

Re: Top orchestras

I think the CSO has been in decline since the death of Solti. But its been a slow and gradual decline, and the introduction of a new dynamic orchestra builder as music director could change it within 2-3 seasons. Its a long way from too far gone. I disagree that the CSO has declined...I've heard th...
by Heck148
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Flutist Sues-Equal Pay
Replies: 6
Views: 1785

Re: Flutist Sues-Equal Pay

I'm not sure how far this one will go - usually, principal pay is negotiable for the major orchestras...Union contracts stipulate a minimum pay rate for all positions, but traditionally, principal chairs will be at the principal rate, plus the negotiated amount...it is somewhat like the salaries of ...
by Heck148
Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Some RIPs
Replies: 1
Views: 1164

Re: Some RIPs

Kristine Ciesinski, soprano, d. June 9 Opera Nostalgia (http://www.operanostalgia.be/) offers obituaries and book and record reviews about opera singers of the past. Many years back, Kristine Ciesinski performed with our orchestra, as she was coming up as a rising star - IIRC she sang Elgar "Sea Pi...
by Heck148
Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Brandon Ridenour, first-class trumpeter
Replies: 8
Views: 6395

Re: Brandon Ridenour, first-class trumpeter

Why Herseth never recorded more, especially as a recitalist, is beyond me. Outside of the Haydn Trumpet Concerto, it would have been wonderful to hear him in the Hummel. Herseth did record the Hummel E maj Concerto - from live concert - archival set - <<Soloists of the Orchestra II>> it is predicta...
by Heck148
Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Brandon Ridenour, first-class trumpeter
Replies: 8
Views: 6395

Re: Brandon Ridenour, first-class trumpeter

Bud Herseth was the greatest orchestral trumpet player - who can deny it? I first heard him in the Kubelik/Chicago "Pictures at an Exhibition" on Mercury, without knowing who he was, and ever since he's been the measure of orchestral trumpet playing. But he didn't record much solo music, Actually, ...
by Heck148
Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Russian conductor Rozhdestvensky dead at 87
Replies: 30
Views: 15460

Re: Russian conductor Gennady Rozhdestevsky dies at 88

Very sad - he was one of the best of the present day...had an outstanding career....