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by Heck148
Wed May 23, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

This was Toscanini's NY Phil, then at its peak. I don't suppose Labate talked back to the maestro like that. :) LOL!! No way!! The NYPO did give Rodzinski a hard time tho - He was conducting Mahler's 1st Symphony - sometime in the 30s - rehearsal was not going well, and Rodzinski, he of the Vesuvia...
by Heck148
Wed May 23, 2018 10:36 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

John F wrote: They're the orchestra whose first oboe Bruno Labate scolded Otto Klemperer, "Mista Klemps, you talka too much." Another lovely story. When, roughly, did that happen John? I never thought of Klemperer as a talker - both his person and his performances seemed carved from granite. Perman...
by Heck148
Sun May 20, 2018 12:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

I'm not saying that deliberately playing wrong notes to test the conductor is brave, but I would say it's pretty brazen. And there are those, such as Pierre Boulez, who have heard wrong notes in the most complex and dissonant modern scores, and corrected them. That's why the New York Philharmonic p...
by Heck148
Sun May 20, 2018 10:15 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

Richard Horowitz, long-time timpanist in the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra, told me once about rehearsals for "Elektra" in the early 1950s. Fritz Reiner was the conductor, and some of the players tested him in this way - and Reiner failed the test; he let the mistakes pass. The orchestration of "Ele...
by Heck148
Sat May 19, 2018 8:32 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

Yes, I get that, of course. It might be idealistic of me, but I feel that if a conductor lacks a driving personality but has all the other qualities - clear communication, sense of shape and line, sensitive interpretation etc - professional musicians should cut him or her some slack. It really does...
by Heck148
Mon May 14, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

Great conducting these days is a dying art. It takes energy and enthusiasm to bring out the best in an orchestra, and often these are mistaken for negative energy. Bernstein was often excoriated privately by his NY players, yet look at the results he produced consistently. Nowadays we have too many...
by Heck148
Sun May 13, 2018 7:23 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

True, but the better the orchestra the more they should respond to the musical ability of a fine conductor. Or is that naive? How did the NYPO make Mitropoulos' life a misery? Any conductor needs a strong personality - the better the orchestra, the more the need for both musical ability and strengt...
by Heck148
Sun May 13, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

I remember Brigitte Fassbaender saying of Carlos Kleiber ("Traces to Nowhere").."Carlos Kleiber was a dictator through and through, but very human with it". A strong personality is a pre-requisite for a successful conductor...you have to have it if you're going to get in front of 80 Heifetz/virtuos...
by Heck148
Sun May 13, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

With Mitropoulos it was the other way around - the players of the New York Philharmonic bullied him mercilessly, and he never retaliated. I never heard that "they loved him as their conductor," their behavior sometimes rose to contempt. But when conducting in Europe, especially Vienna, the musician...
by Heck148
Sun May 13, 2018 12:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Conductors are "bullies" now!!
Replies: 32
Views: 662

Re: Conductors are "bullies" now!!

Totally agree, conductors today can never treat orchestral members like they did in the Toscanini era given union protection. Among the celebrated conductors of the past, I never hear anything about Pierre Monteux promoting these tyrant/dictatorial/bully attitudes and he certainly was one of the gr...
by Heck148
Wed May 09, 2018 9:12 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews
Replies: 35
Views: 1880

Re: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews

I suspect Rubinstein knew a thing or two about conductors, as he did about language; and brilliant doesn't strike me as a word he would have used about a mere journeyman conductor RCA had stuck him with. No, clearly he relished the opportunity to perform and record with his esteemed friend Erich Le...
by Heck148
Sun May 06, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews
Replies: 35
Views: 1880

Re: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews

After almost a decade in Rochester and close to another in Boston, EL decided to pursue lucrative guest gigs. Because he couldn't cut it. His tenure in Boston was a real mess, he nearly killed the BSO...a real low point in that orchestra's history. His years in Rochester weren't anything great, eit...
by Heck148
Sun May 06, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews
Replies: 35
Views: 1880

Re: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews

Furthermore, this ungenerous assessment runs, his studio operas were impressive largely due to the fact that his conducting did not stand in the way of whatever greatness they achieved. That is indeed my assessment. What competence could achieve, Leinsdorf achieved reliably. More than that, he achi...
by Heck148
Sun May 06, 2018 1:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews
Replies: 35
Views: 1880

Re: Some insight on Leinsdorf - through interviews

I found this most interesting - at the start of 2nd interview: <<BD: As you approach your seventy-fifth birthday, what is the most important or the most surprising thing you have learned about making music? EL: That it is better not to be affiliated with any organization. That it is better to be a f...
by Heck148
Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

I looked all through the CSO store website, and the answer is NO, unless you can find it in an estate sale or used someplace. There is another 2 CD set called The Chicago Principal which contains a lot of concerti performed by section leaders of the orchestra which I don't have yet and is still ava...
by Heck148
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:21 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

To each his own. Writing in the Metropolitan Opera Guide to Recorded Opera, Jon Alan Conrad said of "Die Walküre," "Erich Leinsdorf's direction appears to best advantage when simple execution of the score's indications will do the job, most notably the Ride of the Valkyries. Interesting...I remembe...
by Heck148
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:15 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

Well, gentlemen, every conductor has his moments of weakness and of strength, and on the positive side, Leinsdorf had the following great recordings to his credit.... Leinsdorf had an uncanny ability to get the tempo and shape of the music right, even when he worked with Boston, then not the most r...
by Heck148
Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

John F wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:25 am
....But mostly in his very long career he just got the job done, with high competence but little more. Dependability is the hallmark of an experienced Kapellmeister but it's really not good enough for a high-profile conductor.
good summation, John, that pretty well nails it...
by Heck148
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

THEHORN wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:28 pm
Heck,Franz Konwitschny is very little known in America and I don't believe he ever appeared here .
FK known rather widely as another "Dead stick"...like Leinsdorf, never up with the big boys, but made a living at it....was never very impressed by his recordings....
by Heck148
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

To me, Leinsdorf goes into the category of Teutonic "also-ran" conductors, those who get named when a "What's your favorite recording of ___________" thread has run its course.... we begin to get the recommendations for Konwitschny, Hollreiser, Leinsdorf, Swarovsky, Bongartz, etc....right.....they s...
by Heck148
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:33 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

Leinsdorf never had the stature, the prowess of the real podium tyrants of the day Are there any tyrant conductors today ; or has the culture changed ? Yes, I think so, but the climate has changed radically...union contracts and wide-spread industry standards have changed things...much better for t...
by Heck148
Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor
Replies: 39
Views: 4228

Re: About Erich Leinsdorf, conductor

It's true, Leinsdorf had a pretty nasty disposition. He was not popular among musicians. He never had a really successful tenure as major orchestra music director - he did conduct Boston during the 1960s, but this was a disaster, a real low point in that orchestra's history....he killed the already ...
by Heck148
Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I was thinking about Auntie Lynn lately.
Replies: 6
Views: 820

Re: I was thinking about Auntie Lynn lately.

barney wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:01 am
Is she sarcastic there?
I don't think so, seemed pretty regular....hasn't been too active as of late...
by Heck148
Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I was thinking about Auntie Lynn lately.
Replies: 6
Views: 820

Re: I was thinking about Auntie Lynn lately.

Lance wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:14 pm
I wonder how she is doing without CMG? Does anyone see her around? Or should I just let bygones by bygone?
She chimes in now and again on TalkClassical....
by Heck148
Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Another conductor: Günter Wand
Replies: 20
Views: 1457

Re: Another conductor: Günter Wand

mikealdren wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:25 am
and Tennstedt conducted the London Philharmonic Orchestra not the LSO, not the same and until he came along, not really as good.
Correct, LPO not at the level of LSO...IMO, Boult and Solti were the only conductors to get really first-rate results from the LPO.
by Heck148
Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Prokofiev War Sonatas
Replies: 28
Views: 1866

Re: Prokofiev War Sonatas

2nd the nomination of Richter for #7, and #6...dynamite.....
by Heck148
Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:17 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Nikolai Sokoloff & the Cleveland Orchestra: Complete Recordings
Replies: 16
Views: 1862

Re: Nikolai Sokoloff & the Cleveland Orchestra: Complete Recordings

Stokowski and Ormandy got a somewhat different sound from the Philadelphia strings, Ormandy more consistently plush and Stokey somewhat more lithe. That may be because some of his recordings were made in the Academy of Music, some in Victor's Camden studios. The Franck symphony (I grew up with this...
by Heck148
Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:52 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Nikolai Sokoloff & the Cleveland Orchestra: Complete Recordings
Replies: 16
Views: 1862

Re: The Cleveland Orchestra marks its 100th this week at Carnegie Hall

As far as I can tell, the Philadelphia orchestra is still capable of sounding every bit luxurious as it used to , but not all music calls for smooth plush sounds . Ormandy tended to apply that plush "Philadelphia sound " to whatever he conducted in a kind of one size fits all manner. But orchestras...
by Heck148
Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:41 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Fascinating website
Replies: 7
Views: 665

Re: Fascinating website

One of Rodzinski's few recordings during his brief time with the Chicago Symphony was, again, "Also sprach Zarathustra." Based on the recordings, I'd say it was Rodzinski who made the CSO into the brilliant virtuoso ensemble that Rafael Kubelik and then Fritz Reiner inherited. He (Rodzinski) was fa...
by Heck148
Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:36 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Fascinating website
Replies: 7
Views: 665

Re: Fascinating website

I spent a lot of time reading through much of what they have on the Chicago Symphony. Is there a way to contact the editors to suggest additions? I wish they would emphasize that for its entire existence, it has been a Strauss orchestra. Lots of people think that began with Reiner or even Solti. No...
by Heck148
Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:28 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

What a superb discussion! This is EXACTLY why I chose to join this forum....... .....but Boston has, judging by recent recordings, caught up and is now a very fine band under Nelsons. Yes, BSO picked up steam under Levine - there was a fresh spirit with him on the podium, that sustained in the inte...
by Heck148
Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Fascinating website
Replies: 7
Views: 665

Re: Fascinating website

Yes, it's a great source for orchestra personnel - not just a listing but with a good deal of career detail. Yes - it's interesting to track some of the past musicians - look up Mischa Mischakoff [vln], Harry Glantz [tpt], Robert McGinnis [cl], Benjamin Kohon [bssn] - amazing careers, so many promi...
by Heck148
Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Fascinating website
Replies: 7
Views: 665

Fascinating website

I've provided the address for a really excellent, interesting website: http://www.stokowski.org/ This is the Stokowski organization website. and it, naturally has extensive material, discographies, etc of Stokowski...but way beyond that - check out the excellent listing of orchestra musicians for se...
by Heck148
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Just listened to all your youtube postings, jserraglio. Thanks for making my day! I thought the real standout was Martinon's live clip: electrifying! Martinon was really a fine conductor, and his recorded legacy in Chicago is indeed very excellent - so many great recordings!! It's too bad he ran in...
by Heck148
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

I think I just figured out why Munch speaks to me despite the imperfections in ensemble. It's because I came to classical via jazz: Duke Ellington (the master improviser, whom I once heard live), Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, Oscar Peterson, Dave Brubeck, John Coltrane. Like Ellington, whose conduc...
by Heck148
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:08 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

It does bother me that I cannot hear problems that other listeners hear. I seriously intend to work on that. My only consolation is that I have read that the players in a certain well-known orchestra have said that their conductor does not hear problems, thus can't correct them. Don't be too hard o...
by Heck148
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Thanks for the listening list. I have access to the splendid CSO archival boxes. Also, permit me to say I appreciate all your commentary about pitch and how orchestral instruments, viz. brass and woodwinds, should sound. All new to me. Stitched together and printed up, they will comprise a useful l...
by Heck148
Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

I reiterate that I think Munch was a very excellent guest conductor - he brought energy, spontaneity, spirit to his engagements, and musicians responded very positively... I have several examples of his guest conducting in Chicago, and they are all very excellent:- - 2/27/63 - TV concert on DVD - Mu...
by Heck148
Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

I would not be looking to Munch/BSO for top quality Wagner performances or recordings...as has previously been presented, Munch's performances of German-Austrian music seemed to be noticeably uninvolved, even disinterested....also, the well-known shortcomings of the brass ensemble were serious drawb...
by Heck148
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Regarding pitch, in the orchestral world... from previous posting <<on SymShare Trombatwo wrote: <<Pitch.. while unpredictable pitch is always an issue, when you know that you will be performing at a specific pitch the instruments, mouthpieces, reeds, head joints, etc. can be purchased which will gi...
by Heck148
Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Another take on Munch from Symphonyshare that addresses from a different perspective several issues discussed in this thread...... So this listener is basically confirming the criticisms leveled against Munch and his BSO ensemble - sloppiness, less than stellar ensemble, eccentric playing from prin...
by Heck148
Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

An incomplete recording of the 7th as broadcast in 1935 sounds to me very idiomatic, and indeed I'd say quite beautiful. Toscanini was a Wagnerian, in the opera house and the concert hall, having conducted "Parsifal" at Bayreuth, so Bruckner's language was not foreign to him. absolutely - I think T...
by Heck148
Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Munch was faulted here b/c he didn't conduct much Mahler or Bruckner. I don't hold it against any conductor if they didn't conduct much Mahler, Bruckner or any other composer....I'm much more interested in what they did conduct, and how well they did it. Monteux did not conduct much Mahler or Bruck...
by Heck148
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

.... Mengelberg was a famous talker in rehearsals, extremely longwinded, and if you put that together with his typical tempo changes, that had to add up to extra rehearsals. Yes, Mengelberg was known as a "talker", a characteristic that generally drives orchestra musicians nuts....it has given rise...
by Heck148
Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Tempo changes, even extreme ones, can be brought off if the orchestra is well rehearsed. The recordings of Willem Mengelberg, with the Concertgebouw Orchestra and the New York Philharmonic, have countless examples of this. And it's not just in studio recordings with the possibility of many retakes;...
by Heck148
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

Hmpfff! Not so, says I! Musicians, in order to perform at their best, need consistent tempi in rehearsal and performance. Changing tempo willy-nilly leads to poor articulation and other ills like running out of breath, which leads to sloppy-sounding playing. Musicians rightfully resent conductors w...
by Heck148
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

jserraglio wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:12 am
HvK-style reruns that mummify the listener in their lifeless perfection Munch did not go in for, damn good thing too. Each performance should speak to the listener with something fresh to say.
yes, spontaneity is good, usually, but it helps greatly if the orchestra is in on it, too. :)
by Heck148
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

It seems pretty well accepted that Munch disliked rehearsing, was not into the day-to-day rehearsing and drilling that is requisite for establishing great ensemble...some listeners find this most attractive, and enjoyable, others find it a deficiency that produces sub-standard results...some find th...
by Heck148
Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:23 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

I just did a search for "pitch" in the article linked above and found out that according to oboist Ralph Gomberg, the pitch was 444 during the Koussevitzky/Munch era. Of course, this is all Greek to me. 444 is pretty high, not as high as some of the European orchestras, which reputedly were up c446...
by Heck148
Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Charles Munch, conductor
Replies: 77
Views: 5351

Re: Charles Munch, conductor

I've never been able to ascertain the actual tuning level for the BSO during that period [A = 446+ ?? I just got this email from a Boston-based oboist: "I used to perform regularly in Symphony Hall and there is (still) a tuning bar bolted onto the wall in the musician's room - used for pre-tuning b...