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by some guy
Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:49 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Book Review John Cage
Replies: 15
Views: 986

Re: Book Review John Cage

Thanks but is there any other piece of music he wrote you might recommend? I will try Cheap Imitation again sometime-maybe something will suddenly connect for me. If not there is sure much else out there for me to enjoy! Regards, Len I could recommend several. All of it is out there for you to enjo...
by some guy
Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Book Review John Cage
Replies: 15
Views: 986

Re: Book Review John Cage

Well, it's easy to say this, but probably difficult to actually do, but first you have to change your attitude. When that's done, then you are free to change how you listen. Which is what will enable you to "get" something out of Cheap Imitations. Specifics? Well, you obviously think that Cage is su...
by some guy
Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:18 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Book Review John Cage
Replies: 15
Views: 986

Re: Book Review John Cage

Approaching things according to what you already understand may seem like a good idea, at first. But is it? If you try to understand Cage by how well he does for you what oh say Puccini does for you, or Wagner, or Bellini, then you're going to be continually disappointed. Cage is never going to do f...
by some guy
Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Book Review John Cage
Replies: 15
Views: 986

Re: Book Review John Cage

Very nice review. Almost completely empty of silliness, which is very refreshing.
by some guy
Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Just wondering how Auntie Lynne is ,,,
Replies: 13
Views: 1225

Re: Just wondering how Auntie Lynne is ,,,

Dear Lenny,

You have left out the possibility of there being any justification for the knocking.

Michael
by some guy
Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Led Zeppelin wins "Stairway to Heaven" plagiarism lawsuit
Replies: 10
Views: 1088

Re: Led Zeppelin wins "Stairway to Heaven" plagiarism lawsui

Let's look at an example from contemporary classical music. John Corigliano's Symphony No. 1 (1990) quotes Albeniz's Tango in D extensively note for note. This isn't taking an "idea" from the Tango, as with Beethoven's variations on themes from "Die Zauberflöte," it's taking the music itself - and ...
by some guy
Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:28 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Is The Highest Paid Music Director In The USA? Really!
Replies: 9
Views: 853

Re: Who Is The Highest Paid Music Director In The USA? Reall

Peanuts.

I kept telling these guys, when they were young, to go into sports. But did they listen to me?

Nah.
by some guy
Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Peter Maxwell Davies has died
Replies: 5
Views: 879

Re: Peter Maxwell Davies has died

That's egg on my face, Len.

Apologies all round.

(Egg is so hard to get off, too, has anyone noticed? Wow.)
by some guy
Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Peter Maxwell Davies has died
Replies: 5
Views: 879

Re: Peter Maxwell Davies has died

Over three months ago. But good that someone here finally noticed. Here's something that's old news, too: "His work, often dissonant, made abundant use of the musical interval known as the diminished fifth, or tritone. A painfully unstable two-note chord, known historically as “the devil’s interval,...
by some guy
Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:25 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Parkinson's Disease
Replies: 16
Views: 1315

Re: Parkinson's Disease

orthodox Catholics with no known lapses. Well, that's interesting. The knowing is more important than the lapses themselves. So you can have any number of unknown lapses. But what if you're canonized and then someone discovers a lapse in your murky past? Do you then get uncanonized? This particular...
by some guy
Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: John Adams violin concerto
Replies: 51
Views: 3551

Re: John Adams violin concerto

Well, that was certainly a more obvious evasion than your previous efforts.

Not sure how to measure success, here, though. You have certainly succeeded in evasion. But evasion is in itself an admission of failure.

So it's a conundrum.

(It may or may not be wrapped in something else.)
by some guy
Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:18 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: John Adams violin concerto
Replies: 51
Views: 3551

Re: John Adams violin concerto

Alright, so we've got some disagreement. Which is neither here nor there. Just about any statement I make here is an opinion. I think that was clear in my comment on Copland, Vaughan Williams, and Britten. That means anyone is free to disagree and it won't upset me. And I would hope my comments don...
by some guy
Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:19 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical music vs. contemporary music
Replies: 7
Views: 1065

Re: Classical music vs. contemporary music

I have been attending new music concerts since the 1980s, when I could, and more aggressively since 2005, because I could, and I have seen nothing like what John is talking about. Those generalizations may indeed be applicable to symphony concerts or traditional opera venues like the Met, but nothin...
by some guy
Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 2016 Pulitzer for music
Replies: 9
Views: 1130

Re: 2016 Pulitzer for music

jbuck919 wrote: I think you owe Ted an apology.
And I think you should read the post that immediately precedes yours.
by some guy
Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:51 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 2016 Pulitzer for music
Replies: 9
Views: 1130

Re: 2016 Pulitzer for music

Ted and John, my apologies.

I was out of line.
by some guy
Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who is the most recent composer to have entered The Canon?
Replies: 32
Views: 2211

Re: Who is the most recent composer to have entered The Cano

David Means. They just yesterday gave it a first run in Minnesota, which was apparently quite good. David's having a DVD made of it, anyway, to be available in Prague. I had some copies of the novel printed for the show in Prague, too. I do not recommend that. It wasn't too much, I guess, but it was...
by some guy
Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 2016 Pulitzer for music
Replies: 9
Views: 1130

Re: 2016 Pulitzer for music

Thoughts? You need to get out more? I dunno. But I always wonder when people say they've never heard of something. I know that's supposed to be a super snarky diss of the something, but what it really is is a super revealing comment on how little the person knows. I'm sure I'll take the usual flack...
by some guy
Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who is the most recent composer to have entered The Canon?
Replies: 32
Views: 2211

Re: Who is the most recent composer to have entered The Cano

enough time has to have elapsed for a broad, lasting consensus to form, not just among performers but critics, music historians, musicologists, and other opinion-makers and -shapers. (Sorry, some guy, but that's how it is.) Hahaha, John. You should really read more carefully. Yeah, that's how canon...
by some guy
Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:31 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who is the most recent composer to have entered The Canon?
Replies: 32
Views: 2211

Re: Who is the most recent composer to have entered The Cano

The list was not terribly impressive, but even so, there were many names on it which are BIG, though probably only to that infamous "specialized audience for contemporary music," which is a convenient way to marginalize what should really be the norm, convenient for those who locate the norm somewhe...
by some guy
Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:28 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner
Replies: 10
Views: 1552

Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

No problemo, as I remember saying when I was a kid in California.

I had to learn a new phrase when I got to Spain.
by some guy
Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner
Replies: 10
Views: 1552

Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Wallingford wrote:It's likely that Mendelssohn respected and/or admired Mendelssohn, who was almost his equal as a child prodigy.
Could you fix this typo? Now I'm curious about who respected who. :)
by some guy
Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Georg Friedrich Haas Morgen und Abend
Replies: 6
Views: 835

Re: Georg Friedrich Haas Morgen und Abend

That's a nice piece, Mel. Thanks for posting it. Haas is a very well-known composer, known especially for In Vain, which I have a recording of, though I think that that's the only Haas I have. Sweet concerto, though. I like that it manages to sound more like a piece of music with a prominent piano p...
by some guy
Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Poulenc
Replies: 22
Views: 1886

Re: poulenc

"Les mamelles de Tirésias." Very naughty. What a strange remark. What a strange response. You could look up "naughty" in the dictionary, where one of its meanings is "mildly rude or indecent, typically because related to sex." Describes "Mamelles" to a T. So "very mildly rude or indecent," is it? :...
by some guy
Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:25 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Poulenc
Replies: 22
Views: 1886

Re: poulenc

John F wrote:"Les mamelles de Tirésias." Very naughty.
What a strange remark.
by some guy
Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:57 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Nielsen Resolution
Replies: 20
Views: 1506

Re: Nielsen Resolution

I have loved Nielsen ever since I bought that Nonesuch recording with Horenstein for the cover, one of maybe four things I have ever bought for its cover. As I listened to the other things, it gradually became clear to me that far from being the odd man out, the sixth is the culmination of everythin...
by some guy
Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:45 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where are all the ladies on CMG?
Replies: 54
Views: 2724

Re: Where are all the ladies on CMG?

You know, it did occur to me to wonder if you were making a clever joke. But mispellings are pretty rife on international sites. (I perpetrated one myself the other day, saying "parra" when what I meant was "para," so....) Anyway, sorry you had to explain that. I did chuckle once you did, though. :)
by some guy
Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:37 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where are all the ladies on CMG?
Replies: 54
Views: 2724

Re: Where are all the ladies on CMG?

In order to be argumentum ad hominem, it has to be directed at one person, not many. Directed at many is called argumentum ad populum. And in order to be either, it has to be a substitute for the real argument, substituting a remark about what someone has said with a remark about the someone. Auntie...
by some guy
Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:36 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where are all the ladies on CMG?
Replies: 54
Views: 2724

Re: Where are all the ladies on CMG?

I see young women using the term all the time. Lance is not a young woman. Black people refer to each other as "nigger" all the time, too. It would not be appropriate for me, a white person, to do so, however. It would, at the very least, be incivil. Lance asked a sincere question. I took it be so,...
by some guy
Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Musicians on Pierre Boulez
Replies: 4
Views: 555

Re: Musicians on Pierre Boulez

I'm thinking of the whole of western music, not just sonata-allegro form, which is indeed based on the play of tonality (related to harmony but not the same thing). I wouldn't say that of other forms and periods, from a Bach chaconne or fugue to Schoenberg's Klavierstücke. If you would, then we'd d...
by some guy
Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Musicians on Pierre Boulez
Replies: 4
Views: 555

Re: Musicians on Pierre Boulez

Nice article. I wish it weren't condensed, but it's better than nothing. Boulez's 90th birthday is Thursday. He says that the form and the expression of most Western art music come from the harmony. There's a lot of truth in that; I'd say it's true about the expression, less so about the form. This ...
by some guy
Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where are all the ladies on CMG?
Replies: 54
Views: 2724

Re: Where are all the ladies on CMG?

It's funny; there's nothing particularly antagonistic or harsh about my original post. Lance didn't think so either. He had asked a question which I noticed contained a possible answer, the use of a questionable term for possible female members. And I elaborated that a good way to go about having a ...
by some guy
Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:26 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where are all the ladies on CMG?
Replies: 54
Views: 2724

Re: Where are all the ladies on CMG?

I also call women ladies because I was born numerous decades ago. No generation is alike and none should impose its language on the other. Furthermore, to appropriate women as being only representative of "contemporary music" can hardly be viewed as a pro-women statement. Activists for women's caus...
by some guy
Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:23 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tchaikovsky's other Piano Concerto
Replies: 9
Views: 661

Re: Tchaikovsky's other Piano Concerto

It's a conundrum. The first was for a long time my favorite piano concerto, right up until I first heard the second, in a very dubious performance, too, by the way, with horrible sonics. But it's qualities still managed to shine through. I don't listen to either one much any more, but the second is ...
by some guy
Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where are all the ladies on CMG?
Replies: 54
Views: 2724

Re: Where are all the ladies on CMG?

They are certainly MOST welcome here. If I were a female, I would feel most UNwelcome on a board that had a thread entitled "Where are all the ladies?" There may have been a time when it might have flown to refer to women as "the ladies," though that would have been a time prior to universal suffer...
by some guy
Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: How to make classical music important to the general public
Replies: 19
Views: 772

Re: How to make classical music important to the general pub

There are noise artists in other countries. Japan just gets all the love, is all. If there's a problem with classical music sustaining itself, it's nothing to do with the general public, which has never given a rat's fart about it. An ossified canon, with new audiences being wooed not with new music...
by some guy
Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:48 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: J & R stops selling CD's altogether, even online.
Replies: 22
Views: 2389

Re: J & R stops selling CD's altogether, even online.

I thought we'd done this before here. Maybe not. The CD and the LP are two storage mediums. But so is the computer. My entire CD collection will fit on a three terabyte external hard drive, with room to spare. The hard drive doesn't change size as I add files to it. Its weight remains the same as we...
by some guy
Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:01 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Trashy Musical Instruments
Replies: 5
Views: 659

Re: Trashy Musical Instruments

... He would have given them pasty, washed out skin.
by some guy
Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Trashy Musical Instruments
Replies: 5
Views: 659

Re: Trashy Musical Instruments

Interesting. I was wondering if Bob had had a stroke or something. My dad sounded very much like that after his stroke. Agreed about the stuff that might be Pub worthy, too. Isn't it great that oppressed people can find happiness anyway? So that we don't have to feel bad about them being oppressed? ...
by some guy
Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Concert band music
Replies: 36
Views: 3186

Re: Concert band music

Kurka's opera, The Good Soldier Schweik, as well.
by some guy
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Holland's Got Talent. Little Amira W.
Replies: 23
Views: 1595

Re: Holland's Got Talent. Little Amira W.

Henry, I guess our ideas of legitimacy are quite different. When I was a kid, first exploring the world of classical music, I came across people like this Dutch girl. Yes, even in the early sixties, there were people like this. The only thing I felt was revulsion. This type of "popularization" certa...
by some guy
Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:00 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Holland's Got Talent. Little Amira W.
Replies: 23
Views: 1595

Re: Holland's Got Talent. Little Amira W.

Not sure how popularization is going to keep "classical music" alive. Not sure how playing the same five or six already popular pieces over and over again is going to popularize classical music generally. Out of all the people who broke into applause as soon as they recognized this immensely popular...
by some guy
Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Four Saints in Three Acts
Replies: 6
Views: 482

Re: Four Saints in Three Acts

I love this piece.

So much so that I have found myself forgiving Virgil for a lot of things, including The Mother of Us All.

(I consider Ms. Stein to be my literary mom, just by the way. In case anyone's interested. :D )
by some guy
Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The music that is better than itself
Replies: 19
Views: 1379

Re: The music that is better than itself

Tarantella wrote:Art criticism and appreciation is not about philosophy, but philosophy has been put on the agenda by the avant garde.
Hmmm. Isn't this backwards? Philosophy is about art criticism and appreciation. (That branch of philosophy is called aesthetics.)

Art has been on philosophy's agenda for forever.
by some guy
Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Composer Ursula Mamlok At 90
Replies: 2
Views: 491

Re: Composer Ursula Mamlok At 90

Somebody needs to reply to this post!

Ursula is my favorite of the old school female composers.

The freshest and most interesting.

And only a decade older than Pauline Oliveros.

Last century was volcanic.
by some guy
Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:48 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The music that is better than itself
Replies: 19
Views: 1379

Re: The music that is better than itself

Yes, I would have said that Simkin's agenda was not to debunk the whole concept of artistic quality but to debunk the two other things--the pretensions of the cognescenti and the pretensions of modern art to be considered worthwhile. Neither one of these things is even worth debunking. The cognescen...
by some guy
Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:35 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Michael Karman: The problem with Alex Ross
Replies: 1
Views: 425

Michael Karman: The problem with Alex Ross

I have no interest in derailing the Ross/Gergiev thread, but I had a lot of issues* with Ross's review, or at least the excerpt we were provided, part of which follows, with interruptions: The Rachmaninoff program had the virtue of avoiding late-Romantic sentimentality. Gergiev caught the grim mood ...
by some guy
Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The future of classical music ... in China
Replies: 11
Views: 751

Re: The future of classical music ... in China

Here's what I think about this situation: you have no duty at all so far as enjoying or not enjoying anything goes. You can say, for yourself, at any point, "I've heard enough, I don't like this, or I don't understand this, or this is too hard." Why, you could even say it at the first difficult mome...
by some guy
Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:52 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: courageous Barney
Replies: 13
Views: 757

Re: courageous Barney

Courageous indeed!! This looks like a film of one of my recurring nightmares. I took a conducting seminar with Herbert Blomstedt many years ago and got to live the nightmare. And it looked exactly like this. But you! With a real orchestra and with cameras rolling? Wow. You have our most profound res...
by some guy
Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:49 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The future of classical music ... in China
Replies: 11
Views: 751

Re: The future of classical music ... in China

My very dear barney, speaking for myself, I want to preserve the music of composers who died long ago, which coincidentally happens to be in the past. In the same way, I want to read people who died long ago, in the past. They have insights that remain important.* I was talking about terminology, po...
by some guy
Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The future of classical music ... in China
Replies: 11
Views: 751

Re: The future of classical music ... in China

Yeah.

Odds are the patron means something very much like what people mean when they say something sounds "American."

They are not referring to Mumma or Tudor, guaranteed.

Not even to Sessions or Carter, I'll warrant.

(Hmmm. Am I talking insurance or music, here? :? )