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by jbuck919
Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:05 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Someone named Habakuk ... Traber is now an expert on the Latin Mass? I don't care if he [Habakuk Traber] wrote the liner notes for the sung version of all 150 psalms. Traber's point is in no way undermined by remarks of a low nature. But yes, not only are there some traditionally ''unsung' Latin te...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:35 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Someone named Habakuk ... Traber is now an expert on the Latin Mass? B So Mr. Traber's Hebrew name disqualifies him? In fact, Traber wrote the liner notes for the Nagano recording. I'll trust his expertise. Moreover, Bernstein's Mass includes all the Latin Mass text that is usually sung. It is not ...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Mass was hardly a radical departure from Catholic tradition. As Habakuk Traber noted, it presents the entire [Latin] Mass text in the prescribed order and interpolates into that framework other accepted elements of the liturgy, including interpretive readings from the Psalms, Epistles, Gospels and ...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical records for children
Replies: 47
Views: 1035

Re: Classical records for children

Porter was one of a kind. What a life! https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/07/12/king-cole — You could follow a progression from Jerome Kern to Dick Rodgers to Gershwin. But Cole seemed to spring like Jupiter from Minerva’s head—all made. What he did was so special and . . . unexplainable that ...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

From the Naxos recording liner notes: Bernstein's Mass & the Mahler 8th: His zany Mass, mixing sacred and secular texts in wacky and original ways, would be a kind of “Symphony of a Thousand” of the Vietnam Era—to invoke the great piece of his hero, Gustav Mahler . It was also his War Requiem, his ...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mostly Mozart Creation Eurotrash
Replies: 10
Views: 87

Re: Mostly Mozart Creation Eurotrash

Brian Sue and I both believed we were distracted-not the same for tonight's Broadway Carousel! Len :lol: Oh, you were carousing on Broadway? (hahaha) I love that musical as much as anybody else, but one of my memories dates back to what would now be called middle school, where we had a talented but...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:34 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mozart K.595 PC -2018 Proms-Piemontesi
Replies: 3
Views: 36

Re: Mozart K.595 PC -2018 Proms-Piemontesi

No doubt Mozart ornamented each return of the theme differently, but I prefer it kept simple - Schnabel, Curzon and Serkin do it the way I like. It is far more difficult to ornament Mozart than, say, Bach. Bach's ornamentation opportunities, shall we call them, are fairly obvious, while with a few ...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Pier 11 NYC
Replies: 2
Views: 22

Re: Pier 11 NYC

Reminds me of the time when I took advantage of my military dependent ID and rode the Governor's Island Ferry to, well, Governor's Island, which at the time was a Coast Guard station (and a lovely community) off limits to "civilians." Best view of the lower Manhattan skyline I have ever had.
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mostly Mozart Creation Eurotrash
Replies: 10
Views: 87

Re: Mostly Mozart Creation Eurotrash

Our first ever hearing of Haydn's Creation-despite pleasant music though a little o n the static side for me, pleasant enough singing and orchestra work, some nice projections and props and with surtitles because of certain other messages coming across the screen and other props and costumes I'm af...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:32 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mendelssohn 6 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 35
Replies: 7
Views: 118

Re: Mendelssohn 6 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 35

These are very fine works, indeed. (My recording of the first one is on Youtube.) I actually watched it and that got me interested in these works to begin with!!! They seem wretchedly difficult to play. Donald is a very virtuosic player. He was being far too modest not to post the link to the youtu...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'
Replies: 12
Views: 191

Re: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'

I meant by 'tangentially' the fact that religious 'superstition' necessarily was opposed to any kind of 'scientific' evolutionary theory. I know what you meant, but in fact superstition is entirely consistent with evolution. Anatomically modern humans evolved no more than a couple of hundred thousa...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:21 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'
Replies: 12
Views: 191

Re: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'

This is only tangentially related to the topic, but this discussion/event might interest you: sure wish I could be there!! https://www.pangburnphilosophy.com/evolution-chicago I would not call that tangentially related, except in the sense that human stupidity "evolved" along with human behavioral ...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:07 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says conservative columnist George Will
Replies: 6
Views: 95

Re: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says conservative columnist George Will

Don't trust anything George Will says, unless the subject is baseball. He once wrote that the Tea Party was the rich fulfillment of the promise of Ronald Reagan.
by jbuck919
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:35 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 415

Re: Dresden 1945

Anyone who thinks that the situations are equivalent will also believe that Trump and Hillary Clinton were equivalent (as unfortunately many Americans do), or that the South should have been allowed to secede with impunity and keep slavery as an institution indefinitely. I'm sorry, but you are talki...
by jbuck919
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 415

Re: Dresden 1945

Literature is literature and history is history. Frankly, I don't give a damn about Robert Lowell's opinion. I would rely rather on the opinion I once heard from an unrepentant RAF officer, and I'm pretty sure I'm getting this exactly: "It didn't take a genius to see that if Nazism had triumphed, a ...
by jbuck919
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:03 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Overdue for a meet-up?
Replies: 112
Views: 16149

Re: Overdue for a meet-up?

John B, we'll miss you, but hope you make a full recovery. Hope you weren't trying to imitate Lully. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lully LOLOL Thank you Hank. That is the funniest thing I've read here in years. Lully stabbed himself by accident. Perhaps I should make it clear that I s...
by jbuck919
Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:17 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New BIS cd of Bach's "Goldberg" - on accordion
Replies: 3
Views: 132

Re: New BIS cd of Bach's "Goldberg" - on accordion

Rach, I appreciate your posts very much, but I cannot imagine anything more disgusting than the Goldberg Variations on an accordion.
by jbuck919
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 415

Re: Dresden 1945

The OT nailed it: "If men quarrel, and one strike a woman with child, and she miscarry indeed, but live herself: he shall be answerable for so much damage as the woman's husband shall require, and as arbiters shall award. But if her death ensue thereupon, he shall render life for life. Eye for eye,...
by jbuck919
Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Queen's Handbag
Replies: 11
Views: 181

Re: The Queen's Handbag

The final indignity, though, was the royal couple's introduction over the PA system. The guy got the Queen right, but then he said "and his royal highness, the Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh." That is also correct, but he pronounced it Eddin-berg instead of the correct way. Perhaps he was a S...
by jbuck919
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Overdue for a meet-up?
Replies: 112
Views: 16149

Re: Overdue for a meet-up?

People, I hate to do this to you, since I am the instigator of the event, but it is unlikely that I will be able to join you tomorrow. Yesterday, working in the yard, I put a nail through my foot. It has been attended to properly, but the doctor has advised me to move about as little as possible for...
by jbuck919
Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:05 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

You are right, ablation is a word, though it has nothing to do with using the ablative case. Then of course I meant three different declensions, not cases, because the genitive of the three persons of the Trinity is formed differently for each one. Neither the washing of the hands (the lavabo, mean...
by jbuck919
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:11 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

You are right, ablation is a word, though it has nothing to do with using the ablative case. Then of course I meant three different declensions, not cases, because the genitive of the three persons of the Trinity is formed differently for each one. Neither the washing of the hands (the lavabo, mean...
by jbuck919
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

You are right, ablation is a word, though it has nothing to do with using the ablative case. Then of course I meant three different declensions, not cases, because the genitive of the three persons of the Trinity is formed differently for each one. Neither the washing of the hands (the lavabo, mean...
by jbuck919
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

There is no such word as ablation, unless you are in the business of coining words. Ablution, for those who do not know, refers to the cleansing of the vessels after communion, and I doubt that Pope Francis has had to do so for himself in many years. Trust me once, so trust me twice. Ablation is a ...
by jbuck919
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Bernstein knew both how to write for voice and what the Latin said. He did? Seek and ye shall find. The sung text of Missa brevis in its first complete commercial recording would satisfy even the tetchiest of Latinists: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH10172.pdf You will be pleased to ...
by jbuck919
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:41 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Bernstein knew both how to write for voice and what the Latin said. Bernstein: Missa brevis (1989) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzR5uLhe-Q bEzR5uLhe-Q He did? BTW I like the piece, which is a revelation for me. But in the Sanctus I hear "gloria tuae" when "gloria tua" (ablative for "thy glory")...
by jbuck919
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical records for children
Replies: 47
Views: 1035

Re: Classical records for children

By 'yappy' I mean syllable-to-note, endless lyrics; no let-up. As in the example I mentioned from WSS. So that's it. To me, "yappy" brings to mind a chihuahua, not a distinguished American poet as Richard Wilbur certainly was. Enlisting him to provide lyrics for Broadway was only one of several way...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Ralph Michael Stein
Replies: 9
Views: 183

Re: Ralph Michael Stein

John F wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:51 pm
You're telling me that Ralph was years younger than I am? Amazing. We had lunch once in an eatery near Lincoln Center, nothing earth-shaking but very enjoyable.
John everybody is years younger than you are. ;)
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:08 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 415

Re: Dresden 1945

I've been watching this historic footage today of the aftermath of the bombing of Dresden; the images are horrific. Hitler really didn't care about his own people at all!! Anyway, it reminded me of Klaus Tennstedt who was in the 'fire department' at 17 years of age and who had to retrieve bodies in...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Right, you don't have to be a Latinist to make out liturgical Latin. Lucretius it surely ain't. No, it's not, but the difficulties should not be minimized. Liturgical Latin is as all over the place as is English literature. There are many styles and differences. The hymn that gave us the solmizatio...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Didn't LB conduct Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex? Here is the complete text of Bernstein's Messe. And quite a late-60s mess it was. You can judge for yrselfs how much Latin is in there, quite macaronic, I would say. I found some incantatory phrases in the Secret Songs mvmt that the FBI might have seen as...
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:01 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: No national medal for the arts under you-know-who
Replies: 0
Views: 51

No national medal for the arts under you-know-who

Undoubtedly Trump's idea of an artist is someone who can make his hairpiece look more realistic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/arts ... ottom-well
by jbuck919
Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

I have the old Latin Mass essentially memorized from childhood, and I am by no means the best or only Latinist in the United States. (Until recently, and maybe even now, the chief Latinist of the Vatican who prepares all papal documents was an American.) There are no subversive lyrics in there, not ...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical records for children
Replies: 47
Views: 1035

Re: Classical records for children

The first act finale of WSS is beyond a doubt the greatest show stopper of all time. It still sends chills up and down my spine, no matter whether Bernstein/Sondheim used "hours" as a two-syllable word.

by jbuck919
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:33 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: With Alexa, toddlers are turning into bratty mini slavedrivers
Replies: 1
Views: 83

Re: With Alexa, toddlers are turning into bratty mini slavedrivers

Sometimes you just have to count on whether the kids were raised properly or as though they had been born in a barn. It has always been so, dating back to ancient times. A few years ago I was substitute teaching in a tech class where one of the "students" kept running his mouth over his computer sou...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Queen's Handbag
Replies: 11
Views: 181

Re: The Queen's Handbag

The Queen has impeccable manners. Forget about the "hat of state" event. I was home for the holidays after graduating from college in 1976, and I watched every minute of the coverage of the royal attendance at the state dinner in her honor. To begin with, the White House chef at the time had prepare...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical records for children
Replies: 47
Views: 1035

Re: Classical records for children

"West Side Story" isn't even Bernstein's best musical, though it's his most successful. Please, John, apply a little consistency here. You are the one who some time ago decided that Candide was worthy because you could attach the title of operetta to it, while all the other stuff was just Broadway ...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 61
Views: 983

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

I have posted on this recently. It is clearly awful. Again I am at a loss as to why it was covered by a major newspaper as though it had any redeeming features. BTW, to add to my credentials, my college organ teacher James Litton prepared the boy choir for the NYC performance of the piece. Also, as ...
by jbuck919
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:30 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top orchestras
Replies: 35
Views: 599

Re: Top orchestras

1. Chicago Symphony 2. London Symphony 3. Concertgebouw Orchestra 4. Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra 5. St Petersburg Philharmonic 6. Berlin Philharmonic The Vienna Phil has too many unreconstructed Nazis for me to vote for them. When a Bernstein rehearsal of a Mahler symphony ended once, an orchestra...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:18 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Queen's Handbag
Replies: 11
Views: 181

Re: The Queen's Handbag

Excellent reply, John F, to which I will only add that all women in decent society carry a handbag. What would be weird would be if the Queen did open parliament without one.
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical records for children
Replies: 47
Views: 1035

Re: Classical records for children

At least two series from RCA Victor featured abridged movements to make them easier listening: "The Heart of the Symphony" and "The Heart of the Piano Concerto." They were promoted as "the great themes from..." 6-8 warhorses of the standard repertoire. Charles O'Connell, the music director at RCA V...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top orchestras
Replies: 35
Views: 599

Re: Top orchestras

This has been gone over many times on this board. I'm not pretending that I am a particular expert. Our late member Ralph Stein was sure that the NY Philharmonic was the greatest orchestra in the world, as it should be, but it has long been known for its weaknesses. The last time I heard them was in...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:03 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: 2018 Nobel Prize for Literature canceled
Replies: 6
Views: 176

Re: 2018 Nobel Prize for Literature canceled

Who would care to accept this award? Anyone who wants to become filthy rich from the increased sales of his or her works. What kind of pure universe do the Swedes think they live in that mere scandal on their committee makes any difference? (At first I was wondering if it had been canceled because J...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:51 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: WSJ predicts Kavanaugh will lead the Court's right wing
Replies: 6
Views: 198

Re: WSJ predicts Kavanaugh will lead the Court's right wing

As for longevity, sorry to disappoint, but I can't check out just yet, my mother needs looking after as she turns 99 tomorrow on what would have been Prof. Stein's 75th birthday. She still insists I dress better, grow out my hair and shave my stubble when she trundles me off to school. You do not d...
by jbuck919
Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:14 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: WSJ predicts Kavanaugh will lead the Court's right wing
Replies: 6
Views: 198

Re: WSJ predicts Kavanaugh will lead the Court's right wing

Actually I remember Ralph well. The late Prof. Stein was hands-down the most brilliant person I never met. Learning what was on his mind on any given day was the main reason at the time that I even bothered to log in here. He and I had two things in common: born in the same year and emotionally att...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:55 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: WSJ predicts Kavanaugh will lead the Court's right wing
Replies: 6
Views: 198

Re: WSJ predicts Kavanaugh will lead the Court's right wing

Prior to jserraglio's membership, we had an important member named Ralph Michael Stein. He was a distinguished person in constitutional law for reasons I will not now go into. Every time there was a Supreme Court vacancy, he would post, jokingly, "I'm available." The truth is that it takes almost no...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:12 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: NY Times Article From Different Critics
Replies: 3
Views: 156

Re: NY Times Article From Different Critics

An unbelievably ridiculous potpourri which I am surprised that the Times deigned to print. I don't care what literal anniversary the horrible song God Bless America "enjoyed," it is surely Irving Berlin's worst song that is commonly known and was only introduced to the public by Kate Smith certainly...
by jbuck919
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Great Way To Enjoy The Plants!
Replies: 5
Views: 162

Re: Great Way To Enjoy The Plants!

Longwood gardens has, as you know, a famous organ. Believe it or not, the organist is the same person who controls the Wanamaker organ in Philadelphia.