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by jbuck919
Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Music of the pre-Baroque period
Replies: 10
Views: 102

Re: Music of the pre-Baroque period

You'd still hear Gregorian chant briefly on occasion in Vienna at Augustinerkirche. I have a recording of this work by Josquin, though not this performance, and it's a fairly well knoenwn work of the period for those who don't know it! What strikes the listener is the spaciousness but, paradoxicall...
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:11 pm
Forum: CMG Review of Books
Topic: "Oscar Wilde: The Unrepentant Years"
Replies: 9
Views: 126

Re: "Oscar Wilde: The Unrepentant Years"

John F wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:58 am
Look, I was passing along Dick Ellmann's joke with the punchline (yes, I said that on purpose) about hitting below the belt. Apparently you didn't get it.
Of course I got it. I just ignored it.
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:54 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Music of the pre-Baroque period
Replies: 10
Views: 102

Re: Music of the pre-Baroque period

Here we go again. I've had many differences with Mark over the years, but it is simply incorrect that there cannot be an extended discussion on pre-tonal music. L'homme armé was a famous subject, and Josquin himself, probably the greatest of Renaissance composers, wrote a mass based on the theme. Hi...
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:42 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: What is "the cloud"?
Replies: 5
Views: 35

Re: What is "the cloud"?

Everything that is posted online has a permanent record. It cannot be burnt in the stove like so many of Brahms's compositions. Even Judge Judy (don't ask) accepts this kind of evidence when she will not accept a written letter. I assure you, there is no one among us who has not posted something som...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Music of the pre-Baroque period
Replies: 10
Views: 102

Re: Music of the pre-Baroque period

You'd better post that reference from Shakespeare, as I am completely unaware of it. The original music from The Tempest survives, though I cannot now find it on YouTube. (I can actually sing Full Fadom Five from memory.) There is no more distinguishing chronological mark than 1600. Yes, there is a ...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:20 pm
Forum: CMG Review of Books
Topic: "Oscar Wilde: The Unrepentant Years"
Replies: 9
Views: 126

Re: "Oscar Wilde: The Unrepentant Years"

I worked with Richard Ellmann (and Robert O'Clair) on the Norton Anthology of Modern Poetry and got to know him a little bit. He suffered from what's called Lou Gehrig's Disease (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) and it was something of a heroic effort to finish that and the Wilde biography. While he ...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6
Replies: 22
Views: 300

Re: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6

Is that true of instrumental music as well? I would have thought that dance music, for example, always had to be composed in set meters to be danceable. I wouldn't know about its notation. Speaking of early dance music, my favorite record of prebaroque music has turned up on YouTube. It's a selecti...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6
Replies: 22
Views: 300

Re: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6

Excuse me! I thought you might be interested in other works using that odd meter, since you said the main thing you love about the Pathetique is its movement in 5/4 time. The Fifth also has an off-time slow movement, and I want to thank you, because I did not remember how beautiful it is. It cannot...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:44 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Artificial Intelligence: Into the Real World
Replies: 8
Views: 167

Re: Artificial Intelligence: Into the Real World

Go was the last resort for elite mathematicians after it was discovered that no human could beat the best chess program. Now even go is gone. Now mind you, neither of these games has been "solved" in a mathematical sense, as was checkers long ago. (It is impossible to win at checkers against a prope...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:35 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6
Replies: 22
Views: 300

Re: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6

The main thing I love about those symphonies is Tchaikovsy's near invention of an off-time movement. Counting or beating 1-2-3-4-5 is still a challenge. No doubt, but there were other movements in 5 before the Pathetique. Probably the best known is the scherzo of Borodin's 3rd symphony (as orchestr...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:22 pm
Forum: CMG Review of Books
Topic: "Oscar Wilde: The Unrepentant Years"
Replies: 9
Views: 126

Re: "Oscar Wilde: The Unrepentant Years"

Since this is a music board, I will take the liberty of posting what is probably well known to most members. Strauss's opera Salome has a libretto which is a translation of a play by Wilde, which he wrote in French (thereby being the Irish predecessor of Samuel Beckett in having that ability).
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:50 pm
Forum: Films & Movies & Their Music
Topic: "Written on the Wind", 1956
Replies: 2
Views: 89

Re: "Written on the Wind", 1956

I have to admit I have never seen this, but there are even more "abnormal" things in classic movies. I am stating this with some hesitation, but I am certain of it. In Rebel Without a Cause , James Dean is raped from the rear end as a punishment. I am not making this up, though the scene is often cu...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: CPE Bach Heilig Cantata
Replies: 1
Views: 56

Re: CPE Bach Heilig Cantata

CPE Bach is a somewhat underrated composer. He exists on the cusp between the Baroque and the Classical. He is responsible for his father's invitation to the court of Fredrick the Great, which eventually resulted in the Musical Offering. You should read the book Evening in the Palace of Reason. I do...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:56 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: HD Met Die Zauberflote
Replies: 10
Views: 167

Re: HD Met Die Zauberflote

Yes, but Rex Harrison greatly displeased Lerner and Loewe by not actually singing to the tunes, which are lovely show music. Eventually they got used to it, but he is a rare case of someone who could not be studio recorded because he never performed Higgins the same way twice. They had to rig somet...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:12 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goldberg Variations Choreographer
Replies: 4
Views: 139

Re: Goldberg Variations Choreographer

I was about to say that the work would have to be abbreviated. Even the mysterious Goldberg only performed a few variations at a time to put his employer to sleep. (I have often wondered if he could perform the last variations adequately, as they are widely considered the most difficult keyboard mus...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:52 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: HD Met Die Zauberflote
Replies: 10
Views: 167

Re: HD Met Die Zauberflote

Schikaneder was an extraordinarily versatile man. As an actor he didn't just play comedy; in earlier years the Mozarts saw him as Hamlet. And of course he wasn't just an actor but the author of many of his shows and the manager of a couple of theatre companies and the creator of the Theater an der ...
by jbuck919
Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: HD Met Die Zauberflote
Replies: 10
Views: 167

Re: HD Met Die Zauberflote

Continuing, I don't know anything particular about this production, but the Papageno, who cannot be older than about 25, is an astonishing baritone. What I have never understood is how Emmanuel Schikeneder, who wrote the libretto and produced the opera, was able to sing this role. I can't imagine th...
by jbuck919
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Drink to me only
Replies: 5
Views: 88

Re: Drink to me only

Clearly she would have rather sung "I love to sing-a about the Moon-a and the June-a and the Spring-a" zj1FifK3bbg Actually, Mark, that famous cartoon from my boyhood was my inspiration for starting this thread. "I love to sing-a" is by Harold Arlen, the same guy who wrote "Over the Rainbow," accor...
by jbuck919
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:09 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Drink to me only
Replies: 5
Views: 88

Drink to me only

I apologize if I have posted this before. I may be having a senior moment Elisabeth Schwarzkopf is known to have stated that no one should sing but in his or her native language, and the reason for this will be obvious here. It is incredible that she could not manage English better. Once I heard her...
by jbuck919
Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:48 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6
Replies: 22
Views: 300

Re: Tchaikovsky Symphonies #5 and #6

The main thing I love about those symphonies is Tchaikovsy's near invention of an off-time movement. Counting or beating 1-2-3-4-5 is still a challenge.

by jbuck919
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Just when you thought you knew everything about PDQ Bach
Replies: 1
Views: 64

Just when you thought you knew everything about PDQ Bach

Incidentally, Peter Shickele was at one point a serious composer. I heard one of his incredibly awful compositions over the radio once, and even the excellent DJ stepped out of form to state that he was grateful that Shickele moved in another direction.

by jbuck919
Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Things you probably did not know about Wendy Carlos
Replies: 4
Views: 133

Re: Things you probably did not know about Wendy Carlos

For the record, I can't stand Varèse, and doubt that most here can. All Carlos originally did was make "legitimate" arrangements of Bach for another instrument, something Bach himself did. The rest I thought was relative news, though I am delighted that my erudite fellow poster already knew all of it.
by jbuck919
Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: HD Met Die Zauberflote
Replies: 10
Views: 167

Re: HD Met Die Zauberflote

Just for fun, and because I have made it clear that this is my favorite opera, here is a better performance of the first quintet, in spite of the (to me anyway) annoying double subtitles. The first lady was once considered a major operatic role. Elisabeth Schwarzkopf sang the first lady. bya9Xf_LIkQ
by jbuck919
Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Hungerford Video
Replies: 11
Views: 220

Re: Hungerford Video

Thank you for the alert. It's easy to d/l this FB video to your computer and play it. All you need is the video URL printed below and any one of many online apps that grab FB or YT videos. No installation necessary. BH video URL : https://www.facebook.com/meloclassic/videos/1630697650334229/ Downlo...
by jbuck919
Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:50 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Things you probably did not know about Wendy Carlos
Replies: 4
Views: 133

Things you probably did not know about Wendy Carlos

Of course everyone here knows that as Walter she created Switched-on Bach (which is why I am putting this on the classical board), but on a Facebook site that is devoted to classical music I found this: This week I want to talk about Wendy Carlos. Often cited as the most important figure in electron...
by jbuck919
Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?
Replies: 19
Views: 343

Re: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?

I have to admit that I did not know that there was a Rossini Otello. I listened to much of it and may come back to hear the rest. It will shock Len to read that I don't find it half bad. In fact, the extensive recitatives are of a Mozartean quality. Also, it's Len's kind of traditional production. I...
by jbuck919
Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?
Replies: 19
Views: 343

Re: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?

Opera is about life . And in life, people do bad things to each other , whether men to women, women to men, men to men, or women to women . As far as I can tell, Puccini was no more of a misogynist than other famous composers . I wasn't necessarily accusing any composer of out-and-out misogyny, but...
by jbuck919
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:44 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Geffen Hall Stumbles, Cincinnati Shows the Way
Replies: 6
Views: 112

Re: Geffen Hall Stumbles, Cincinnati Shows the Way

It is Eisenhower Hall at West Point. When I first posted that years ago, even Ralph Stein, who was almost never wrong, did not believe me, and I had to post the figures to prove it. How interesting-we'll probably be around there next Monday-we're going to Storm King if the weather holds up-want to ...
by jbuck919
Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Geffen Hall Stumbles, Cincinnati Shows the Way
Replies: 6
Views: 112

Re: Geffen Hall Stumbles, Cincinnati Shows the Way

It may be hard to sell out now, but it was not always that way. It is one of the largest of auditoriums. Incidentally, does anyone know what the second-largest auditorium on the East Coast is after Radio City Music Hall? Well, don't bother yourself. It is Eisenhower Hall at West Point. When I first ...
by jbuck919
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:32 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?
Replies: 19
Views: 343

Re: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?

I'm trying to think about really strong non-abused female characters in opera and it is not all that easy. The obvious exception is Leonora (Fidelio), who has to disguise herself as a man. Ariadne has been abandoned on Naxos by Theseus. Salome is a strong character, but look at what she does to John...
by jbuck919
Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: An interesting performance (to leave you curious)
Replies: 2
Views: 98

An interesting performance (to leave you curious)

I am posting this obviously staged performance for one reason only. My father served as what was then called altar boy at his own mother's funeral when he was twelve. In other words, I never knew my paternal grandmother. All the musical talent in the family is from his side, not my mother's. He is s...
by jbuck919
Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:23 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "What the composer wants"
Replies: 34
Views: 532

Re: "What the composer wants"

Toscanini was not a totally rigid and metronomic conductor by any means . Agree completely....AT was in no way a rigid time-beater - check out his Tristan P & L-D, or Brahms 4/IV....it could be just as easily said that Furtwangler was an "idiosyncratic taffy-puller"....... Furtwängler was himself a...
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?
Replies: 19
Views: 343

Re: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?

Neither Minnie nor Turandot is a victim of sadistic torture. And no quasi-sadistic sexism in Mozart? Come now, John F. First, why, do you think Così fan tutte is never translated into English? (It means "All women do such things.") Second, there is this, leaving aside "Dove sono," "Porgi amor," and...
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:33 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: In questo foro, how do we feel about this?
Replies: 19
Views: 343

In questo foro, how do we feel about this?

I was astonished when I stumbled on this seemingly gratuitous criticism of Puccini's greatest opera (and yes, I know it was completed by someone else).

http://observer.com/2017/10/shady-sexua ... ra-review/
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:19 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Just for fun, the health of presidents
Replies: 3
Views: 69

Re: Just for fun, the health of presidents

This site tells us all about that, and for the two worst cases I have read independently to confirm it. Our two unhealthiest presidents were John F. Kennedy and, unbelievably, George Washington. Woodrow wilson was in bad shape for some time if I'm not mistaken. What about problems of mental health-...
by jbuck919
Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:36 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Just for fun, the health of presidents
Replies: 3
Views: 69

Just for fun, the health of presidents

This site tells us all about that, and for the two worst cases I have read independently to confirm it. Our two unhealthiest presidents were John F. Kennedy and, unbelievably, George Washington. Kennedy actual underwent what was then called the last rites three times, and in those days Extreme Uncti...
by jbuck919
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "What the composer wants"
Replies: 34
Views: 532

Re: "What the composer wants"

JohnF; many music experts have expressed the same reservations I have about that infamous letter to Leopold, pretending that his wife was still alive. Be that as it may, the letters are certainly informative and often highly amusing in a silly way...(..."be so kind as to wait until the sheep cross ...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: More Bach passion stuff
Replies: 0
Views: 101

More Bach passion stuff

You have to go to the Youtube site to see the additional postings, which is why I am not literally posting this. Bach had the greatest difficulty with his boy singers. They were a constant conflict between him and the council at Leipzig. A convincing case has been made that he would have preferred w...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Reputations Risen From Oblivion
Replies: 33
Views: 801

Re: Reputations Risen From Oblivion

YOUTUBE has a lot of Huber; I just finished the 3rd and 8th symphonies. HUBER was the original form of the name of Herbert Hoover, whose ancestry was Swiss-German; do you suppose Huber was related to the 31st President? This is getting ridiculous. You do know the true story of Harry von Zell introd...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: HD Met Die Zauberflote
Replies: 10
Views: 167

Re: HD Met Die Zauberflote

I'm afraid I feel the same way about The Magic Flute that John F feels about Marriage of Figarro. I have had it memorized for so long that I really don't need to see a production, though I am glad they still go on. This is from Bergman's Swedish version of the opera.

by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "What the composer wants"
Replies: 34
Views: 532

Re: "What the composer wants"

Presumbly, then, neither of you supports the idea of a particular "school"; for example, in the piano one often hears about the performer being taught by a pupil of the composer, eg. Liszt. In that particular case, 'fidelity' to a text is suggested. And it also means that your comments completely i...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:56 pm
Forum: Films & Movies & Their Music
Topic: Jerry Lewis and the French
Replies: 15
Views: 1413

Re: Jerry Lewis and the French

I only came back here because I noticed the high number of posts. You would think that the "off" boards here would attract less attention, but the reverse is true. Our former moderator Corlyss knew that we had a lot of lurkers, and I guess we do. If you go back far enough, there are thousands of pos...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Ten things Lucy Worsley has learnt about opera
Replies: 2
Views: 142

Re: Ten things Lucy Worsley has learnt about opera

I have posted this before, but Venice is the most severely depopulated important city in the world. It has a population of only about 250,000. No modern composer could survive there, let alone Monteverdi and Gabrielli.
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:35 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "What the composer wants"
Replies: 34
Views: 532

Re: "What the composer wants"

All I can say is that I am glad I did not make that comment myself, because I never would have agreed with the assumption. You wrote a very long post, John, but as you know, Stravinsky was a mediocre conductor and though his name is on many albums of his own work, they are also not definitive perfor...
by jbuck919
Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: London Times On Concert Hall Mess In New York
Replies: 7
Views: 169

Re: London Times On Concert Hall Mess In New York

a second-tier orchestra with a third-rank conductor Wow. That's a harsh (and unjustified) comment. Unfortunately, it is not. Many of us who have attended NYP performances are able to detect inexcusable problems. The last time I was there (with our member Ralph Stein) they performed Schoenberg's Pel...
by jbuck919
Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goldberg Variations Choreographer
Replies: 4
Views: 139

Re: Goldberg Variations Choreographer

Many pieces that were not intended for ballet have been choreographed, some by great choreographers on the order of Balanchine. But the Goldberg Variations? No, I'd have to see it believe it.

by jbuck919
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schumann
Replies: 22
Views: 399

Re: Schumann

In between there was also Schumann's appreciation of Schubert's Symphony #9 and its "heavenly length." He wasn't infallible; he described Mozart's Symphony #40 in G minor as embodying "Hellenic grace," which is about 180 degrees off the mark. But mostly his judgments still look pretty good. Althoug...
by jbuck919
Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:45 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schumann
Replies: 22
Views: 399

Re: Schumann

I got to know Schumann through the symphonies, but seldom visit them now. It's the piano works and the chamber music. I agree: he was a genius, and a generous-spirited one too, with his music writings and criticism. I think the Op 17 might be my very favourite work, but it is hard-pressed by Carnav...
by jbuck919
Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schumann
Replies: 22
Views: 399

Re: Schumann

Oh come now. It is fluff, but as one of my professors put it, it is very nice fluff. What exactly are you calling "fluff"? If it's any of the repertoire I mentioned, then obviously I couldn't disagree more. Why would anybody think so? Professor or not. I was trying to meet you halfway on Schumann's...
by jbuck919
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schumann
Replies: 22
Views: 399

Re: Schumann

Which of Schumann's works do I love or admire? First it would be his songs and song cycles, especially "Dichterliebe"; I rank him with Schubert as the greatest Lieder composer. Also much of the solo piano music, though not the sonatas except for the sonata-like Fantasia; less so the chamber music a...