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by starrynight
Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: As I Listen To The 7th of Beethoven ...
Replies: 12
Views: 2133

Re: As I Listen To The 7th of Beethoven ...

Understanding the style is fundamental I think. The best way maybe is just to immerse yourself in some examples till you can see what is being got at (the structure, the kind of melody, the instrumentation) and what is more creative and what is more generic.
by starrynight
Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:21 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Valentina Lisitsa boycotted by TSO over Tweets
Replies: 43
Views: 6564

Re: Valentina Lisitsa boycotted by TSO over Tweets

With social media now it's possible for someone to get their views across on things totally unrelated to their fame because of the immediate and widespread distribution of such communication. In the past such opinions would probably not get great circulation as in most circumstances people don't rea...
by starrynight
Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:30 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opera singers die in air crash
Replies: 39
Views: 3653

Re: Opera singers die in air crash

Musicians who fly around a lot to different concert venues and who will make the news because of their media prominence will make the news headlines more in air crashes than most other people perhaps.
by starrynight
Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Composers: Aging and Maturing
Replies: 18
Views: 3317

Re: Composers: Aging and Maturing

While the ideas for popular music musicians may be more inventive at the start, they have the longest time to prepare for their first album compared to anything subsequent, there could be other reasons. For most listeners the style in popular music is constantly changing and it's hard for a musician...
by starrynight
Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:07 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Favorite recording of Eine kleine Nachtmusik?
Replies: 26
Views: 5538

Re: Favorite recording of Eine kleine Nachtmusik?

The minuet is the weakest part for me, it could work well without that even. Very self-assured work and great tunes. The slow movement feels by far the most complicated emotionally, but the energy of the outer movements is so in sync with the music.
by starrynight
Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:05 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What Is This Strange Music That Is Called Baroque?
Replies: 14
Views: 3919

Re: What Is This Strange Music That Is Called Baroque?

I very much doubt it the improving intelligence claims have any merit, though I'm not sure how exactly intelligence is supposed to be measured anyway. And obviously once you get used to something it's no longer strange, but I think the more distant something is the more strange it could seem at first.
by starrynight
Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What Is This Strange Music That Is Called Baroque?
Replies: 14
Views: 3919

Re: What Is This Strange Music That Is Called Baroque?

In a way I think it is like a world apart to us now, both baroque and earlier music. It was an age in which religious music was still at the forefront, and music was much more regular than the more rhapsodic and dramatic style that came with classicism and that arguably still resonates with music to...
by starrynight
Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:16 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Chaikovsky, the People's Favorite
Replies: 17
Views: 2078

Re: Chaikovsky, the People's Favorite

I think Tchaikovsky has been extremely popular over the last 100 years, his melodies have become famous because of their use in other media such as films.
by starrynight
Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Performer vs. Listener: a big difference?
Replies: 64
Views: 3237

Re: Performer vs. Listener: a big difference?

Music can feel somehow more of a universal art, and most music comes with very little or no biography anyway. Some knowledge can help I feel such as basics like structural form, but that can be picked up fairly quickly. Otherwise I think listening time is more important than reading time. The more t...
by starrynight
Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Why Do So Many People Think Classical Music Is Elitist?
Replies: 63
Views: 12313

Re: Why Do So Many People Think Classical Music Is Elitist?

Seán wrote: To avoid it perhaps?
But some people might say the same for classical music, they just want to avoid it.
Seán wrote: Perhaps, you are right. What examples would you suggest to support your point?
As people have already suggested...songs and short piano pieces. Also dances.
by starrynight
Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Best "First" symphonies
Replies: 69
Views: 19038

Re: Best "First" symphonies

Jack Kelso wrote:Two of the very finest "First Symphonies" which are little-known are those of Robert Volkmann in D Minor, op. 44 and Hermann Goetz in F Major, op. 9.
I've liked Volkmann in the past, but not Goetz so much.
by starrynight
Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Why Do So Many People Think Classical Music Is Elitist?
Replies: 63
Views: 12313

Re: Why Do So Many People Think Classical Music Is Elitist?

Like all eternal art forms, the proof of true greatness is in its appeal to a minority. That's a huge generalisation, and it seems to suggest a very small minority. Weren't Shakespeare's plays very popular at the time they were originally produced? In the Renaissance or earlier were sculpture and p...
by starrynight
Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:44 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What Is Your Mozart Top 10?
Replies: 27
Views: 7642

Symphony 41

Symphony 40

Symphony 34

Piano Concerto 23

Piano Concerto 21

String Quartet La Chasse

Divertimento K334

Fantasia in C Minor for piano

Great Mass in C minor

Le Nozze di Figaro
by starrynight
Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

Well yes of course alot of this is through cultural tradition. That's exactly why there is alot of correlation with how people respond to pieces. Reactions may differ on specifics but in much more general terms they will agree quite often. For example most people will not think the last movement of ...
by starrynight
Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

All this being said, I would not advocate erecting an impenetrable wall between "classical" music and the various vernacular styles. To the contrary, I would say that artistic music needs to keep its grounding in the dance music from which it developed. Stuart Simon, in this deliberately provocativ...
by starrynight
Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

nothing is worse in my book than elitism, What's the matter with elitism? I think it's a good thing, especially in a field like music, which is so difficult to master that only a few people do outstanding work in it. I think it only fit to celebrate those elite few. My answer has nothing to do with...
by starrynight
Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Best "First" symphonies
Replies: 69
Views: 19038

Re: Best "First" symphonies

[ Whether Beethoven dismissed the First Symphony , I don't recall. Myself, while I am pleased when returning to earlier compositions, to find with some relief that I still like them and am entirely content still to own them . . . I should feel a bit slighted, somehow , if someone told me that the e...
by starrynight
Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Best "First" symphonies
Replies: 69
Views: 19038

Re: Best "First" symphonies

I don't see the point of looking at the first two symphonies as study symphonies or warm ups. That would be, because with a first symphony the composer generally does not have years of experience writing for the orchestra, nor of working with the form. I doubt that Beethoven felt that with his Nint...
by starrynight
Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:31 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Best "First" symphonies
Replies: 69
Views: 19038

Re: Best "First" symphonies

I don't see the point of looking at the first two symphonies as study symphonies or warm ups. The composer accepted them into his canon of works. His style changed over time but that's the case for alot of composers. I don't see why some people like to read history backwards and look at earlier piec...
by starrynight
Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

'Elitism' suggests a narrow view of music. Those who have a more diverse approach to music (willing to listen to different styles) I trust more with their judgement of music. You're wrong, of course. One can have an exceedingly diverse approach to music and still recognize that it's not all created...
by starrynight
Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

Of course there can be many influences. And as soon as there is, they make up a new label for it. But I don't care what labels other people make for music, I listen to it on my own terms and in my own way. Modern classical music I simply order by decade, not by style or nationality. Modern popular ...
by starrynight
Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

There can be good and bad in any genre, just listen to a style on its own terms.
by starrynight
Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:05 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Death: the ultimate test of artistic achievement?
Replies: 13
Views: 1390

Re: Death: the ultimate test of artistic achievement?

Actually, I believe there's only one test, that of a listener listening. Fame is great for distribution, of course. The more famous, the easier it is to get the music. But I've spent many dollars and many happy hours with many people who will never be mentioned on CMG (except maybe by me), and sinc...
by starrynight
Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:23 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Death: the ultimate test of artistic achievement?
Replies: 13
Views: 1390

Re: Death: the ultimate test of artistic achievement?

Fact no. 2 -- Gorecki received hundred times more attention than Tishchenko, but why? Basically for one work. The very people who paid tribute to this contemporary Polish composer did not know or did not appreciate his entire work minus one symphony....... :roll: My metaphor .... only one big rippl...
by starrynight
Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:18 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

Of course there can be many influences. And as soon as there is, they make up a new label for it. But I don't care what labels other people make for music, I listen to it on my own terms and in my own way. Modern classical music I simply order by decade, not by style or nationality. Modern popular ...
by starrynight
Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?
Replies: 133
Views: 16420

Re: Is Classical Music Superior To Other Kinds Of Music?

As a general statement, I have no problem saying that classical music, or art music, or serious music, is better than other kinds of music. For one thing it contains a wider variety of music than any other, and is deeper in terms of history. To be sure, it's a catch-all term for a whole universe of...
by starrynight
Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Death: the ultimate test of artistic achievement?
Replies: 13
Views: 1390

Re: Death: the ultimate test of artistic achievement?

NO, it is not the ultimate test of artistic achievement. Contemporary classical music simply isn't as popular nowadays as it used to be. The ultimate test of art is measured in the hundreds of years AFTER someone's death.
by starrynight
Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Best "First" symphonies
Replies: 69
Views: 19038

Re: Best "First" symphonies

Toscanini / BBC SO
by starrynight
Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:08 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Best "First" symphonies
Replies: 69
Views: 19038

Re: Best "First" symphonies

I'd put Elgar first, Beethoven second.
by starrynight
Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:10 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I'm Willing To Listen To All Kinds Of Classical Music
Replies: 46
Views: 6649

Re: I'm Willing To Listen To All Kinds Of Classical Music

At first I thought this thread said 'I'm willing to listen to all kinds of music'. As all music if looked at purely is just music, not a political platform or other things. Of course just because you might listen to all kinds doesn't mean you have to equally prefer all kinds.
by starrynight
Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:49 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "Classical music": the concept.
Replies: 11
Views: 1107

Re: "Classical music": the concept.

Instruments primarily I would say, as core instruments help define the overall sound. But over time the instruments associated with classical music may modify with new ones added, and also new combinations like more traditional instruments being used alongside new ones.
by starrynight
Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:42 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Does music need a listener?
Replies: 36
Views: 2056

Re: Does music need a listener?

All music has a listener...its composer. How many more listeners a piece gets beyond that depends on circumstances.
by starrynight
Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Another great Jewish pianist from Argentina
Replies: 64
Views: 4589

Re: Another great Jewish pianist from Argentina

I thought I had made myself clear. I'll make myself clearer. Alongside this topic was another topic this time on an 'Isreali composer'. Including a comment clearly supportive of that ethnic nationalist state and using music as an excuse to forward that support. Both threads clearly linked by the exa...
by starrynight
Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Another great Jewish pianist from Argentina
Replies: 64
Views: 4589

Re: Another great Jewish pianist from Argentina

The fact that she's jewish is irrelevant except to folks like yourself who have "jewish" on the brain. Once you've been on the internet for a certain amount of time you realise how many people outside of many western countries (where it isn't so frequent, if not absent) think in ethnic nationalist ...
by starrynight
Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Another list to get you worked up ...
Replies: 98
Views: 5211

Re: Another list to get you worked up ...

But generally alot of people still do seem to look at the music they listen to very nationalistically, even in this much more global age. :shock: They do? If that is the case, then most concert halls, at least in the US, are actually located in Germany, Austria, and Russia! In America, with rare ex...
by starrynight
Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Does Music Have To Have Melody ?
Replies: 54
Views: 3714

Re: Does Music Have To Have Melody ?

Maybe music needs some underlying sense of rhythm, even if it's one that might change suddenly after not too long. It gives a piece life.

'Melody' can just mean mean interesting motifs or longer melodic material and it's development through a piece. It gives a piece it's identity.
by starrynight
Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:13 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Another list to get you worked up ...
Replies: 98
Views: 5211

Re: Another list to get you worked up ...

But generally alot of people still do seem to look at the music they listen to very nationalistically, even in this much more global age. Seems outdated really. Things recorded or performed in a particular country may still relate to that nation often and not look outside of it so much. But I don't...
by starrynight
Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Another list to get you worked up ...
Replies: 98
Views: 5211

Re: Another list to get you worked up ...

As an Australian, what can I say? These posts are typical Yanks, too self-absorbed to have bothered with composers from a country like Australia and whinging because Yanks aren't there. If an American radio station did this, it would probably be lowbrow too (which this surely was) and have lots of ...
by starrynight
Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:21 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Coming soon to a cafe in your town--Classical Revolution
Replies: 27
Views: 2094

Re: Coming soon to a cafe in your town--Classical Revolution

By 'your town' though you mean American town, and 'the nation's capitol' America's capital. Not everyone here is from America. :D
by starrynight
Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:19 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Symphony No.40 - Mozart
Replies: 39
Views: 3615

Re: Symphony No.40 - Mozart

For the mature Mozart you only have about 8 symphonies and the rest are "pretty darn good considering he was a kid when he wrote it". But many of them were also very good for the age they were written in as well (1760s and 1770s). The first recording I heard of 40 was in the 80s on a cassette coupl...
by starrynight
Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Symphony No.40 - Mozart
Replies: 39
Views: 3615

Re: Symphony No.40 - Mozart

In fact, Mozart's volume of symphonies don't really constitute a great body of work, the vast majority are pretty throwaway. For once I almost agree with you. Generally his symphonies are pretty dull, but throwaway is perhaps going too far. Thank you. What I mean by throwaway in essence is that the...
by starrynight
Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Symphony No.40 - Mozart
Replies: 39
Views: 3615

Re: Symphony No.40 - Mozart

One thing I don't think people consider with Mozart's symphonies is that not only do they reflect his development as a composer (from being a child to a teenager to an adult) but also they reflect the development of the symphony itself. The symphony when Mozart started writing them was not the compl...
by starrynight
Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Symphony No.40 - Mozart
Replies: 39
Views: 3615

Re: Symphony No.40 - Mozart

Perhaps his best minor key work. Generally I prefer pieces by him that mix major and minor more they just seem more Mozartian and personal. In this case though it is surely a great piece. I still probably prefer No.41 though. I also don't understand those who say his only worthwhile symphonies are ...
by starrynight
Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Symphony No.40 - Mozart
Replies: 39
Views: 3615

Re: Symphony No.40 - Mozart

I think some of them use a rhetoric of pathos which he draws upon into the work. The 40th symphony though I would look at a bit differently as it fits alongside it's companion symphonies particularly well, particularly 41 perhaps. Beyond just the minor key rhetoric he is pushing the symphony to a la...
by starrynight
Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Symphony No.40 - Mozart
Replies: 39
Views: 3615

Re: Symphony No.40 - Mozart

Perhaps his best minor key work. Generally I prefer pieces by him that mix major and minor more they just seem more Mozartian and personal. In this case though it is surely a great piece. I still probably prefer No.41 though. I also don't understand those who say his only worthwhile symphonies are t...
by starrynight
Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Let's have some fun: superlatives in classical music!
Replies: 43
Views: 4756

Re: Let's have some fun: superlatives in classical music!

Elgar's first symphony is far better than his second.
by starrynight
Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's last five string quartet : Your thoughts
Replies: 48
Views: 5776

Re: Beethoven's last five string quartet : Your thoughts

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by starrynight
Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's last five string quartet : Your thoughts
Replies: 48
Views: 5776

Re: Beethoven's last five string quartet : Your thoughts

No one have really talked the Op.127 here but I enjoy that one quite a lot. The first movement is simply brilliant in my mind. The main theme (???) is so simple,catchy an restated in so many different forms. It tends to be underrated. One reason may be it comes at the start of that group of pieces ...