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by Mookalafalas
Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:55 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Rudolf Serkin's recordings
Replies: 5
Views: 702

Re: Rudolf Serkin's recordings

Interesting ... $1,600 for the Serkin set now. I got mine for 10% of that price when first issued. I would have thought, given his reputation, that one would still be around for quite a while. Most of these megaboxes are advertised as "Limited Edition," meaning the publisher must decide in advance ...
by Mookalafalas
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Warner issues complete Barbirolli Edition: 109 CDs
Replies: 10
Views: 5301

Re: Warner issues complete Barbirolli Edition: 109 CDs

Why delete the post? I is a manifesto of sorts. I agree completely! I'm very attracted to this set, and yet have the same problem as others: too much. Two weeks ago I received a package from Amazon UK with the 170CD Brilliant Mozart, and the new Alban Berg Quartet box and the St. Martin's in the Fie...
by Mookalafalas
Wed May 20, 2020 10:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4708
Views: 2483798

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

I have a digital version of this, but love it so much decided to spring for the physical media. I saw a lot of people don't like it. "Sloppy" and "Coarse" were mentioned. :shock: In my book, gorgeous, poetic, joyful, and fresh would be the key adjectives. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/imag...
by Mookalafalas
Wed May 20, 2020 10:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing
Replies: 36
Views: 28971

Re: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing

Not at all, Barney. I don't follow these things much... Anyway, about direct confrontation, the US military is incredibly advanced and well-funded (US military spending used to be more than the next 4 big spenders combined--probably still is), and it if it came to direct confrontation with China, wh...
by Mookalafalas
Wed May 20, 2020 6:08 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing
Replies: 36
Views: 28971

Re: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing

Interesting. Can you explain your reasoning? Do you think Taiwan could hold out by making the cost to China too high? Do you think there would be a regional response against China? Why is military confrontation the only way Xi could lose? And does that mean that, absent confrontation, an eventual C...
by Mookalafalas
Fri May 15, 2020 6:31 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing
Replies: 36
Views: 28971

Re: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing

Yes, that is a significant achievement, yet according to WHO Taiwan has nothing to teach anyone. Are you nervous in Taiwan with all the bullying and sabre-rattling by the Chinese? I have to say I'm a bit worried, because I don't trust Trump's America to come to your aid, and Xi seems to calculate t...
by Mookalafalas
Thu May 14, 2020 7:22 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing
Replies: 36
Views: 28971

Re: I'd like to hear from CMGers how you are doing

Strange...I responded to this a couple weeks ago, but it's not here. Perhaps I forgot to hit enter? Anyway, here in Taiwan we were originally projected to be one of the hardest hit countries (huge amounts of business with China and flow between the countries). However, as one of the hardest hit coun...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:26 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Not Bach or Beethoven, but Leroy Anderson Is the Composer for Now
Replies: 8
Views: 7424

Re: Not Bach or Beethoven, but Leroy Anderson Is the Composer for Now

Is that the Eastman disc with Fennell? I played that last night, after this post. :D Exactly! Actually there are a number of gems like that in the Mercury boxes--most of which I skipped the first time through as "fluff" but are actually both engaging and refreshing. I spend so much time with the "c...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Not Bach or Beethoven, but Leroy Anderson Is the Composer for Now
Replies: 8
Views: 7424

Re: Not Bach or Beethoven, but Leroy Anderson Is the Composer for Now

Just by chance I played a disk of his while working my way through one of the "Mercury Living Presence" box sets a few days back. Charming and fun. I really enjoyed it.
by Mookalafalas
Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:36 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Karl Henning
Replies: 19
Views: 34272

Re: Karl Henning

Yes, I've seen a couple of his posts as well. Apparently he can get around on his own with a cane (in the ward, I believe), and has lost about 17 pounds--which is a scary amount to lose so quickly.
by Mookalafalas
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Decca Sound: 55 CD boxed set PIANO edition
Replies: 8
Views: 10160

Re: Decca Sound: 55 CD boxed set PIANO edition

I've got it, and am loving it, but I don't have any of this material, so its all new to me. Lots of the disks have bonus material. Love the original covers and the overall design, but the cardboard is the thin flimsy variety.
by Mookalafalas
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Decca's Claudio Arrau Edition
Replies: 5
Views: 5774

Re: Decca's Claudio Arrau Edition

I just ordered this from Amazon.co.uk, as the price has dropped to £83.32. I was planning to give it a miss, but for that price it is hard to beat. (That's about $108, and their shipping is very cheap).
By the way, the 90 disk Yehudi Menuhin set is under $40...crazy.
by Mookalafalas
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Leonard Bernstein: Vocal Works Edition
Replies: 3
Views: 3994

Re: Leonard Bernstein: Vocal Works Edition

It's here! So classy that they added an extra double-disk, outside the box (literally and figuratively). Playing disk 1, St. Matthew's Passion right now. In English! I've never heard it in English before. Purists may throw a fit, but I find it glorious to actually understand what they are saying!! O...
by Mookalafalas
Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:09 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Leonard Bernstein: Vocal Works Edition
Replies: 3
Views: 3994

Re: Leonard Bernstein: Vocal Works Edition

Still waiting for mine. We have had torrential rains and flooding where I live (in Southern Taiwan). I don't suppose that is hurrying delivery up any. In anticipation I broke out my symphony and concerto/ensemble boxes and have been listening to them with great pleasure. I am impressed with almost e...
by Mookalafalas
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: George Szell - Sony Complete Columbia & Epic Album Collection out this August, 106 discs
Replies: 134
Views: 171501

Re: George Szell - Sony Complete Columbia & Epic Album Collection out this August, 106 discs

This may be getting tiresome, but another price update, for those to whom this is central to buying or not buying. I live in Taiwan, and the box just came out for $180 (US). There is no tax. This is not a sale price--the price here tends not to go up or down once something is out. My experience is t...
by Mookalafalas
Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan
Replies: 26
Views: 32380

Re: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan

At the risk of giving you a callous on your scrolling finger, i will attach the contents here. It is long, and Google translated from a Chinese website--some of the spellings are wonky. CD1 Chopin: Smooth swashes and gorgeous Polish dance , Can't wait to here these. :lol: :shock: Turns out that is ...
by Mookalafalas
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:54 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan
Replies: 26
Views: 32380

Re: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan

Part 2 of this message so that you don't have to keep on scrolling down. There are, according to my calculations, 20 CDs where the two collections overlap. There were also a few (about 5 or 6) where there was only a one year difference between supposed recording dates but as these are live recordin...
by Mookalafalas
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:19 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan
Replies: 26
Views: 32380

Re: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan

Lance, I agree you don't need another mega-box! BTW, the Rubinstein is disk 61 "Live all Chopin recital in 1964" Disk 99 says something like "Agric" and that is none other than Argerich. I'm listening to a symphonic disk now--Gennady Rozdestvensky conducting Roussel Symphony 1 and 2. I don't have an...
by Mookalafalas
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan
Replies: 26
Views: 32380

Re: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan

Yedang is actually a Korean company. All of the recordings are licences from "Pipleline Music Inc." which is the same company the Brilliant box recordings are licensed from. This is definitely NOT just a copy of the big 100 CD Brilliant Russian box, but there is definitely some overlap, but I don't ...
by Mookalafalas
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:54 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan
Replies: 26
Views: 32380

Super Bargain Doorstop box, but only from Amazon Japan

Picked this up thanks to a recommendation from a friend. 100 disks of live Soviet recordings of top tier Russian performers for about $95 US, with cheap shipping. Its soloist and small group repertoire mostly, so not much orchestral work. I considered it rather a gamble, but after playing about a qu...
by Mookalafalas
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Bernstein Sony big box due in mid-August
Replies: 8
Views: 12860

Re: New Bernstein Sony big box due in mid-August

Thank you, Joe. That's the German Amazon. I guess it amounts to around $110/USD. It says shipping is free, but I doubt it means to the USA. What think? https://www.amazon.de/Leonard-Bernstein-Vocal-Works/dp/B07CRT9WMN/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅZÕÑ&qid=1528973336&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&key...
by Mookalafalas
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:34 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is it exciting for you to receive CD packages?
Replies: 16
Views: 20385

Re: Is it exciting for you to receive CD packages?

The FOURTH floor! If you are a heavy collector, books, CDs, LPs, etc. be careful as the fourth floor may come crashing down to the first floor! I had a problem like that storing books in the attic on home-made shelving using cinder blocks to hold the 3/4" shelves. We were concerned because we noted...
by Mookalafalas
Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:15 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is it exciting for you to receive CD packages?
Replies: 16
Views: 20385

Re: Is it exciting for you to receive CD packages?

Heck ya! My listening room is on the fourth floor of my house, facing the courtyard. The mailman comes on a motorcycle, and if there is a delivery, they shout, so I have to run downstairs. Occasionally it is for the neighbor :evil: :evil: Adds a little spice to the whole day knowing something might ...
by Mookalafalas
Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Just released: Leonard Rose - Complete Concerto & Sonata Recordings
Replies: 8
Views: 28071

Re: Just released: Leonard Rose - Complete Concerto & Sonata Recordings

Got my box. Opened it, but haven't played anything yet. Waiting for the right moment. Maybe my 3rd whiskey? :)
by Mookalafalas
Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: George Szell - Sony Complete Columbia & Epic Album Collection out this August, 106 discs
Replies: 134
Views: 171501

Re: George Szell - Sony Complete Columbia & Epic Album Collection out this August, 106 discs

Price already down to 199 Euros from Amazon.de (Germany). They actually take off the VAT when you order, so it gets cheaper, thought they charge a lot for shipping...
by Mookalafalas
Fri May 18, 2018 5:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Harpsichordist Zuzana Ruzickova, survivor of Theresienstadt, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen dies at 90
Replies: 3
Views: 4492

Re: Harpsichordist Zuzana Ruzickova, survivor of Theresienstadt, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen dies at 90

Extremely belated response. I apologize if reviving a moribund thread seems tiresome. However, FINALLY playing some Ruzickova from the Erato box, and I am completely wowed by what she does with the Goldbergs. Like no other version I have heard. She plays them like a symphony. I cannot wait to hear h...
by Mookalafalas
Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:10 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!
Replies: 14
Views: 13851

Re: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!

barney wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:28 pm
I second Brian on Brendel. Superb pianist, always interesting and often much more.
Listening to Brendel right now (LvB Sonatas) :)
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:41 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!
Replies: 14
Views: 13851

Re: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!

I have finally managed to manifest this entire set into my computer. Big job but what an accomplishment! They way the set is arranged, however, makes it easy to group things together in cataloging the set. It is now easier than ever to pull all the individual singles and sets and maybe dispose of t...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:17 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!
Replies: 14
Views: 13851

Re: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!

By the way, this is "on sale" from Amazon.de for 153 Euros right now...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:56 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: George Szell - Sony Complete Columbia & Epic Album Collection out this August, 106 discs
Replies: 134
Views: 171501

Re: George Szell - Sony Complete Columbia & Epic Album Collection out this August, 106 discs

I bought the 49 disk Korean Issue box a couple of years back. I'll have to go back to that fora while and see if I find an irrepressible need for "more"... :wink:
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Erik Satie & Friends Collection [Sony Classical]
Replies: 1
Views: 2438

Re: Erik Satie & Friends Collection [Sony Classical]

But why do I have the feeling this is a set that will not be around for long? You are probably right! Quite a few things came out for Satie's 150th, in 2016. I eyeballed this box a couple of times at my local shop, but didn't pull the trigger. It is a bit ironic, because Satie used to be the ONLY n...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:55 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!
Replies: 14
Views: 13851

Re: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!

I have finally managed to manifest this entire set into my computer. Big job but what an accomplishment! They way the set is arranged, however, makes it easy to group things together in cataloging the set. It is now easier than ever to pull all the individual singles and sets and maybe dispose of t...
by Mookalafalas
Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:18 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!
Replies: 14
Views: 13851

Re: The Claudio Arrau 80-CD box arrived!

You're my hero, Lance :shock: I want to get it, but am not sure if there are enough hours left of my life to get to everything! I'm going to sit back and see if the price goes down to $140 or so. Of course my wallet will hardly notice the difference, but if I feel it is a steal, I'll feel less guilt...
by Mookalafalas
Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:45 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "Musical America" names Yuja Wang 2017 Artist of the Year
Replies: 7
Views: 8639

Re: "Musical America" names Yuja Wang 2017 Artist of the Yea

I just bought Tickets to see the San Francisco Orchestra visiting my town here in Southern Taiwan. So little comes this way I didn't even look at soloists or such before getting tickets. Imagine my surprise when I saw it is Yuja Wang. Looking forward to it (Actually, I look forward to anything--don'...
by Mookalafalas
Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:54 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where does it stop: the mega-boxes
Replies: 9
Views: 9582

Re: Where does it stop: the mega-boxes

The Mega-box blizzard has been one of the luckiest events of my life. I probably would have remained a classical "nibbler" til the end of my days, but once I got caught up in that onslaught, how could I not become a fanatic?! That said, if it stops now I really won't mind. I'll be 50 this year, and ...
by Mookalafalas
Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato
Replies: 11
Views: 9153

Re: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato

I finally started playing through the Erato box. Wow! What a joy. And it gets better and better as you go through it. I've played Franck's Symphony in D-Minor many times, but never really loved it til this one. Worth the price of the whole set. Listening to his Honegger now. I may start the whole bo...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato
Replies: 11
Views: 9153

Re: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato

Just ordered the Erato from Amazon UK. A nice price (Got the Columbia Gunter Wand box too, so Jean wouldn't be lonely on his long journey to my door 8) )

Thanks again, Lance.
by Mookalafalas
Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato
Replies: 11
Views: 9153

Re: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato

Got the box (The RCA/CSO one, that is) and played through everything once (plus a bit more). Very impressive! Better than I had hoped. Very good sound and some off-the-beaten-track repertoire mixed in with a couple of war-horses (closing disc 10 with Bolero wouldn't have been my choice...). All in a...
by Mookalafalas
Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato
Replies: 11
Views: 9153

Re: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato

Well Al, RCA remastered the sound on their issue and what I've heard from it sounds very good. The Chicago Symphony has always been among my most treasured orchestra (especially under Reiner), and the pricing for the RCA is excellent. The Erato/Warner box is an extraordinary set. I would not want t...
by Mookalafalas
Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato
Replies: 11
Views: 9153

Re: New Jean Martinon 14-CD "Icon" box on Erato

A lot of crickets hereabouts... I'm quite interested. I didn't know who Martinon was until the buzz around the 10 disc RCA CSO set that came out a few months ago. My take was that everyone agrees he was a great conductor, but several of the discs in that box had really poor sound. If the Erato doesn...
by Mookalafalas
Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The RCA Monteux Edition has arrived!
Replies: 12
Views: 8323

Re: The RCA Monteux Edition has arrived!

I've been working on this set lately and must say, it is very, very impressive. Everything clicks, firing on all cylinders, in the groove, etc. etc.
by Mookalafalas
Thu May 14, 2015 9:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..
Replies: 10
Views: 9718

Re: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..

I've been wallowing in this set for the last couple of days. It is wonderful. The playing is bright, light, virtuosic and full of charm. Depth? Maybe not as much as some bring to this repertoire (SEON, for example), but for me it has been a constant pleasure. The SEON set looks quite attractive als...
by Mookalafalas
Thu May 14, 2015 9:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..
Replies: 10
Views: 9718

Re: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..

I've been wallowing in this set for the last couple of days. It is wonderful. The playing is bright, light, virtuosic and full of charm. Depth? Maybe not as much as some bring to this repertoire (SEON, for example), but for me it has been a constant pleasure.
by Mookalafalas
Sun May 10, 2015 8:09 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..
Replies: 10
Views: 9718

Re: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..

A pleasant surprise, mine just came in--way ahead of schedule. $56US including shipping from Amazon.de Looks like a real gem--loaded with Lamon and Weil for those who like their baroque (etc.) sharp and lively. I'm still enjoying the sublime SEON set, so probably won't get too serious about listenin...
by Mookalafalas
Wed May 06, 2015 7:43 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..
Replies: 10
Views: 9718

Re: Yes! Tafelmusik Sony recordings complete ..

Mine should be here tomorrow, even though there's a fair bit of duplication to CD I already have, this doubles my Tafelmusik selection. I remember paying $35 for the Tafelmusik Brandenburg set. Now for a bit more than that you get their entire Vivarte recorded output. Tomorrow :shock: I'm getting m...
by Mookalafalas
Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: God’s Fiddler
Replies: 10
Views: 6776

Re: God’s Fiddler

Was just watching PBS Thirteen's Metrofocus and one of the segments describes a show coming up next wee-we'll be in Charleston but my DVR will be churning! "And virtuoso violinist Itzhak Perlman joins anchor Jack Ford to talk about legendary violinist Jascha Heifetz, who is the subject of the upcom...
by Mookalafalas
Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:19 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Decca's Scriabin's Complete Works on Decca ...
Replies: 11
Views: 7796

Re: Decca's Scriabin's Complete Works on Decca ...

Thanks for the heads up, Lance. I've been a bit curious about this box. I went back to the first volume of Rubinstein's autobiography. He has an anecdote about being introduced to Scriabin by his (Rubinstein's) manager, who knew Rubinstein was a fan. Scriabin asked Rubinstein out for a cup of tea. H...
by Mookalafalas
Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The RCA Monteux Edition has arrived!
Replies: 12
Views: 8323

Re: The RCA Monteux Edition has arrived!

78 Euros here, before VAT is subtracted (and before shipping is added).
http://www.amazon.it/Monteux-Complete-R ... ds=monteux
by Mookalafalas
Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: For completists: Vivaldi's 27 Cello Concertos [cheap, too]
Replies: 6
Views: 3244

Re: For completists: Vivaldi's 27 Cello Concertos [cheap, to

Hey, gentlemen..... You should try Vivaldi's operas. No kidding, it's great stuff! 8) Honest! It's ALL good. 100 years ago it was common knowledge that Bach wrote dry, repetitive music--and then people started actually listening to Bach. Vivaldi's music is in the midst of being similarly re-discove...
by Mookalafalas
Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Thoughts on Membran 10-CD boxed sets?
Replies: 25
Views: 10486

Re: Thoughts on Membran 10-CD boxed sets?

The duration of European copyright in sound recordings has been extended by the EU to 70 years. Presumably this applies in Germany as a member of the EU. If so, then all recordings made or published since 1945 are still under copyright. If Germany has a different system than the EU's, I haven't fou...