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by jserraglio
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

If only those had been the only liberties the padres had taken. Many a good faddah has earned the contempt bestowed upon him. There is such a thing as coincidence. But it could also be that LvB shamelessly stole Lenny's thunder. Either way Lenny didn't seem to mind it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...
by jserraglio
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Bernstein was acknowledging and transmuting into art a popular form of the Mass, vulgar & vernacular, of that era. The inspiration for creating "Rock Mass" came from the Rock Mass at All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena California back in the early 1970’s. On the first Friday night of each month ...
by jserraglio
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

VIII. Epistle: ‘The Word of the Lord’: In 1980 the composer of Les Miserables, Claude-Michel Schönberg, may have been deliberately echoing this section of Mass in his own musical.
by jserraglio
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

John F wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:20 am
I've never heard anything in the 9th that is really atonal, let alone a tone row as the term is used in serial music.
For the record, the Naxos commentator said "the quasi-twelve tone row found in the last movement of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony".
by jserraglio
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

From the Naxos recording liner notes: Bernstein's Mass & the Mahler 8th: His zany Mass, mixing sacred and secular texts in wacky and original ways, would be a kind of “Symphony of a Thousand” of the Vietnam Era—to invoke the great piece of his hero, Gustav Mahler . It was also his War Requiem, his C...
by jserraglio
Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:08 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'
Replies: 12
Views: 172

Re: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'

I believe Sylvia Plath's poem "Metaphors" was modeled not on the sonnet but on ancient surviving Anglo-Saxon riddles or even more likely, on Japanese riddles (cf. the Plath line "A melon strolling on two tendrils"): Riddle: There was a green house. Inside the green house there was a white house Insi...
by jserraglio
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: WSJ: Biggest companies hogging all the innovation gains
Replies: 0
Views: 12

WSJ: Biggest companies hogging all the innovation gains

WSJ — Economy Economists trying to explain a long-term slowdown in productivity increasingly believe gains are not spreading through the economy, as they once did. As far back as the industrial revolution, major innovations have traveled swiftly from company to company and industry to industry, an e...
by jserraglio
Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:11 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'
Replies: 12
Views: 172

Re: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'

Not in dispute: the statue is emitting extra Virgin olive oil. Absolutely priceless!!! This is a miracle that is beyond dispute: I'm a riddle in nine syllables, An elephant, a ponderous house, A melon strolling on two tendrils. O red fruit, ivory, fine timbers! This loaf's big with its yeasty risin...
by jserraglio
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:26 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

I won't ask if you stayed with it to the very end. :) What might Bernstein have been mimicking? Surely not church music. What comes to mind is a Mahler symphony - same dimensions and scale, same extramusical dimension, same incorporation of banal musical material and verses, It took 2-3 generations...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Quoth the crow: 'Is our necrophilia real or for the birds?'
Replies: 3
Views: 42

Re: Quoth the raven: 'Is our necrophilia real or for the birds?'

Belle wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:20 pm
"The raven himself is hoarse that croaks the fatal entrance of Duncan..."!!
Ted Hughes: Crow



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ml6UehFhG0
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Quoth the crow: 'Is our necrophilia real or for the birds?'
Replies: 3
Views: 42

Quoth the crow: 'Is our necrophilia real or for the birds?'

The New York Times — The setting was romantic enough. Sunny spring day. A cherry tree blossoming a vivid pink. One party, the suitor, was dark, fetching and amorous. But the other party lay there like a corpse. It was, in fact, a corpse. So began the first documented human observation of a crow cop...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

QUIET! That's the song (Candide). Thanks. I am going to subject myself to Mass again. Rather than parody I should have said mimicry . What I remember of it since I last played my LPs is that Mass mirrors the self-righteous tone of the 60s era. But it provides a heightened rendition of real Catholic...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Surely not. It's as tonal as anything in "Candide," and for me it isn't boring at all - actually quite lovely. ocGHkZhALns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocGHkZhALns Yes, that's tonal but that's not the one I was thinking of. I misled by citing the wrong title. It's the trio with the Governor, Cun...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:47 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says conservative columnist George Will
Replies: 6
Views: 87

Re: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says GOP-defector George Will

Now that's interesting - I didn't see it. Will is just as conservative as ever, and in the same way, so perhaps it would be fair to say that the GOP defected from him in the election of 2014. But clearly you're right. Yes, and that's the way he himself put it: the GOP left me: divorce by reason of ...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Thanks for posting it, JohnF. I am a fan of Berio's Sinfonia. I bought the Columbia LP the day it was released. But it captured little of the flashy vulgarity of late 60s America. Mass has that in abundance. I think Woolfe mistakes its parody of the 60s for straightforward 60's sermonizing. Its musi...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:46 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says conservative columnist George Will
Replies: 6
Views: 87

Re: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says GOP-defector George Will

Will is not a "GOP-defector." He's a mainstream Republican supporter who, like many others, has never thought well of Donald Trump but, unlike many others, is not afraid to say so publicly. Which he can afford to do as he doesn't have to put his opinions on the line in an election. It's just talk. ...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:06 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: 'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says conservative columnist George Will
Replies: 6
Views: 87

'This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man', says conservative columnist George Will

Washington Post Column This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man By George F. Will Opinion writer July 17 America’s child president had a play date with a KGB alumnus, who surely enjoyed providing day care. It was a useful, because illuminating, event: Now we shall see how many Republicans retain a cap...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Now another NYTimes critic has weighed in with a pretty negative review. Len https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/arts/music/review-mass-leonard-bernstein-mostly-mozart.html Hi Lenny, Would you have a second to post the whole article? I ran out of free ones today. Thanks in advance. Joe normally with...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

lennygoran wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:58 am
Now another NYTimes critic has weighed in with a pretty negative review. Len

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/arts ... ozart.html
Hi Lenny, Would you have a second to post the whole article? I ran out of free ones today. Thanks in advance.
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:32 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Liner Notes from the 2009 Alsop recording on Naxos: After his outrageously dynamic 11-year tenure at the New York Philharmonic, during which time he danced from the podium into the telesphere as America’s most beloved music teacher, Leonard Bernstein was anxious to get back to the business of compo...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Here at the 2012 Proms, the celebrant can't hit a lot of the notes. Perfect imperfect! That's how I remember many if not most sung Masses I attended: grace flows thru the performance to the audience, not so much via the performer. I am starting to think Mass is right up there with Candide, West Side...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top orchestras
Replies: 28
Views: 451

Re: Top orchestras

I heard the CSO in the Musikverein in 2011, with Muti - if I remember correctly. Unbelievable!!! I heard them play the Rite of Spring under Martinon. Shattered my cage. I had been nurtured on a transparent, central-European Cleveland Sound with a splash of Lenny here and there. This was from anothe...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

In this talk Vonnegut claimed that the firebombing of Dresden by the RAF benefitted only one person on earth. "I am that person," Vonnegut said. "I earned 5 dollars for every single one of the [135,000] people killed." After making that ghoulish jest, Vonnegut delivers a blistering assault on the 'm...
by jserraglio
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:06 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

I read "Catch 22" when I was in the Army, and I have no quarrel with it. Of course my Army experience wasn't like that, but at times it pretty was close - and anyway, the book is fiction, not history or sociology. It's also very funny, or that's how I found it. Wickedly funny, and how many other wr...
by jserraglio
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'
Replies: 12
Views: 172

Miracle in New Mexico? Church leaders wondering how to explain a Mary statue that appears to be 'weeping'

WAPO — Inside a Catholic church in New Mexico, a seven-foot-tall bronze statue of the Virgin Mary appears to be “weeping,” according to church leaders. The sculpture, known locally as Our Lady of Guadalupe, is not crying human tears; an investigator with the Roman Catholic Diocese of Las Cruces said...
by jserraglio
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:11 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

jbuck919 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:35 pm
Anyone who thinks that the situations are equivalent . . . you are talking nonsense, and I think you are talking it because it pleases you to provoke me.
The logic of your own position leads inexorably to the very equivalence you find so abhorrent.
by jserraglio
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:30 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

Literature is literature and history is history. Frankly, I don't give a damn about Robert Lowell's opinion. I would rely rather on the opinion I once heard from an unrepentant RAF officer, and I'm pretty sure I'm getting this exactly: "It didn't take a genius to see that if Nazism had triumphed, a...
by jserraglio
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:04 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

You don't make sarcastic fun of the world's greatest horror story because there were mess-ups even on the "friendly" side. More to the point perhaps is Kurt Vonnegut's experience in actually having survived the bombing of Dresden. He saw it from various angles, but he never said it was the wrong th...
by jserraglio
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:26 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Critics in both parties openly call Trump traitor
Replies: 6
Views: 54

Re: Critics in both parties openly call Trump traitor

I thought he would walk it back but I was wrong. He tippy-toed it back.

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by jserraglio
Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:21 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Critics in both parties openly call Trump traitor
Replies: 6
Views: 54

Critics in both parties openly call Trump traitor

NYT Analysis By Peter Baker WASHINGTON — John O. Brennan spent a career in the Central Intelligence Agency defending the United States against its enemies. For decades, that meant terrorists, rogue regimes or the Russians. For him now, it means the president of the United States. When Mr. Brennan ac...
by jserraglio
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:20 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The danger posed by a weak and malleable Donald Trump
Replies: 2
Views: 46

Re: The danger posed by a weak and malleable Donald Trump

Donald doesn't know it yet but under duress he's going to have to walk back yesterday's presser remarks. Not that that will change his underlying opinion which will re-surface later as always when he is forced to backtrack under fire. If he were a patriot he would do the right thing and resign. In t...
by jserraglio
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What I listened to today
Replies: 458
Views: 85997

Re: What I listened to today

Giulini/Philharmonia ‎– Dvorak Symphony N°4 / Scherzo Capriccioso Angel LP S-35847

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by jserraglio
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:04 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The danger posed by a weak and malleable Donald Trump
Replies: 2
Views: 46

The danger posed by a weak and malleable Donald Trump

WAPO ANALYSIS by Dan Balz When the history of Donald Trump’s presidency is ultimately written, July 16, 2018, will have a special entry. On a day when the setting called for a show of strength and resolve from an American president, Trump instead offered deference, defensiveness, equivocation and we...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

You are right, ablation is a word, though it has nothing to do with using the ablative case. Then of course I meant three different declensions, not cases, because the genitive of the three persons of the Trinity is formed differently for each one. Neither the washing of the hands (the lavabo, mean...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

You are right, ablation is a word, though it has nothing to do with using the ablative case. Then of course I meant three different declensions, not cases, because the genitive of the three persons of the Trinity is formed differently for each one. Neither the washing of the hands (the lavabo, mean...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Trump scores triple hat trick on swing thru Europe; Brennan dares call it treason
Replies: 4
Views: 74

Re: Trump scores triple hat trick on swing thru Europe; Brennan dares call it treason

Question. Who in that press conference lineup would a Martian have picked out as the POTUS and who as the vassal from a tributary realm offering his submission?
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

There is no such word as ablation, unless you are in the business of coining words. Ablution, for those who do not know, refers to the cleansing of the vessels after communion, and I doubt that Pope Francis has had to do so for himself in many years. Trust me once, so trust me twice. Ablation is a ...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:57 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Bernstein knew both how to write for voice and what the Latin said. He did? Seek and ye shall find. The sung text of Missa brevis in its first complete commercial recording would satisfy even the tetchiest of Latinists: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH10172.pdf Once you accept that th...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:52 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Trump scores triple hat trick on swing thru Europe; Brennan dares call it treason
Replies: 4
Views: 74

Re: Trump scores triple hat trick on swing thru Europe; Brennan dares call it treason

Republicans lash out in a firestorm of criticism. Former Illinois House GOP Rep. Joe Walsh calls Trump a traitor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatod ... /788752002
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:00 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Trump scores triple hat trick on swing thru Europe; Brennan dares call it treason
Replies: 4
Views: 74

Trump scores triple hat trick on swing thru Europe; Brennan dares call it treason

PERIOD #1. Brussels — Undermines NATO, Germany and Angelia Merkel. Score 3-0. PERIOD #2. London — Undermines EU, U.K. and Theresa May. Score 6-0. PERIOD #3. Helsinki — Undermines USA, supports Russia and Vladimir Putin. His 16 July press-conference comments are called 'treasonous' by former CIA Chie...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

Bernstein knew both how to write for voice and what the Latin said.

Bernstein: Missa brevis (1989)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzR5uLhe-Q

by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?
Replies: 55
Views: 767

Re: Is ‘Mass’ Leonard Bernstein’s Best Work, or His Worst?

The next time I listen to the Bach B Minor Mass, if it finishes early and there's some time left, I'll put on the Bernstein Mass and give it a listen, to see what all this hubbub is about. I've had a copy of this in my disc collection for years and never opened it. I guess I've been too busy listen...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Classical records for children
Replies: 44
Views: 873

Re: Classical records for children

Porter was one of a kind. What a life! https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/07/12/king-cole — You could follow a progression from Jerome Kern to Dick Rodgers to Gershwin. But Cole seemed to spring like Jupiter from Minerva’s head—all made. What he did was so special and . . . unexplainable that ...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

The OT nailed it: "If men quarrel, and one strike a woman with child, and she miscarry indeed, but live herself: he shall be answerable for so much damage as the woman's husband shall require, and as arbiters shall award. But if her death ensue thereupon, he shall render life for life. Eye for eye, ...
by jserraglio
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:27 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Dresden 1945
Replies: 15
Views: 390

Re: Dresden 1945

Dresden was a completely militarized city ... It had to be obliterated in order to avoid the greater evil of prolonging the conflict ... I doubt that anybody wants to destroy beauty plus countless thousands of lives, but there was no remorse in this case. They brought it on themselves Guess they ha...