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by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:12 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

And thank you for confirming the suspicion that you are condemning (and/or 'characterizing') music which you have not actually heard. I never condemned Webern music, and not in this thread neither - how can I condemn something I can't follow for the start? I listen to Webern from time to time; and ...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:12 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

You sticked to probabbly the least important, the least precise thing I sad. Under "Inhuman emotion" I mostly actually ment "disturbance", about which I was talking all along. As for the piece you mentioned, I'v never heared it, and even if I did, I never understood Webern music anyway. I'm aware al...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:31 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

PJME, I first want to thank you again for your instructions that were valuable to me. I am obviously interested to learn about music and thoughts of authors you mentioned. But may I note that your favourite authors all belong to second generations XX century authors, born before WW II? I have a nega...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

PJME, thank you for your links! I hope you have read my lenghty post about what I mean when I say "experimental music". I already heared for most of the authors you mention, and I am curious to follow those links and hope to also hear some music. But what makes me a bit doubtfull is - their's music ...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

[1] :: Beethoven was an artist in a geographical, cultural and temporal situation which is not duplicable. There is a practical sense in which it is just absurd to look for artists who are "equal" to Beethoven , because they are operating in a different mix of circumstances. I agree. [2] :: Beethov...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:11 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

I would now dare try to define "experimental music" (forgive me if this falls short, since I am not realy a musician, but a mathematician) but I will try: Experimental music is music that avoids not only falling inside existing musical theories and pratice, but also avoids being even recognised as u...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:11 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

For example, at the place of Beethoven you have his 9th symphony that opens with bare fifths, that was seen as unnatural in his days. But at the place of experimental musician, you can't even say what is unnatural, since you are not able to find words! You feel there is something, but you don't know...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:03 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

I've got news for you. Beethoven was an experimenter. And many listeners in his day, and in the decades following his death, dismissed his music as unnatural . I think you are a bit confusing the more general therm of originality - or masculine principe of change (as oposed to feminine principe of ...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:49 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

Well, that's a mouthfull. *Sigh*. Unfortunately, that is how it has to sound when you say what YOU realy think. I am not going to try to convince you in anything, that never works. I already made all my points and I only can invite you to read my text more carefully. For example: Even though you th...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

These three atonalists belong to the last generation of classical composers - together with tonalists Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Bartok and others - and they are realy the last, as the time prooved and will continue to proove. The future of "the best", "elite" music is not in classical, but in experimen...
by Dalibor
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:59 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Coming in September: Anton Webern Marathon!
Replies: 32
Views: 11707

I own "Variations", Op.27 from Webern for solo piano, and played it a few times and heared absolutely NOTHING. A closed book, random notes. Never the slightest clue why he does that, and not something else. Schoenberh, who is on the same disk, is only a little more sensible to me. For the third aton...
by Dalibor
Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:59 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Now I see my first impression was wrong, there is great awareness of new instruments and sound synthesiez. It seems I'm just not informed enough... And why isn't the piano, which is one of the most important single musical instruments, an integral part of every orchestra? This question of your's mad...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:21 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Felix Mendelssohn Fans
Replies: 55
Views: 16543

I didn't listen much of Mendelsson, but heared enough to say that he was one those who a bit puzzle me. I liked "Fingals Cave" and "Scotish symphony" the most, but not because of excitement that much but because of... fluidity, the very gentle progressions that never seem to bore you on repeated lis...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:02 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Thank you for the invitation. These days I had much time and was in the mood to post here, it may not be so often in future, but I will drop in to see what is going on - and maby ask and say a few things about this or that. And just keep in mind I only love some of the classical music, I am no kind ...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:45 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

To be even more concrete, I think we need to unite this very serious, founded concerness with ruralness , if you understand me, even with rudeness to an extent. The conections with nature around us, that classical music never lacked. You have to trigger the uncounsness, you have to win the heart, no...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:39 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

The link that you offered is also very informative for me - thanks very much! But again, I have the impression that the whole scene is a bit obessesed with set or rules that people culturale negotiate, and build music on that, and tend to ignore the fact that we are geneticaly determined, and there ...
by Dalibor
Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:24 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

What an interesting article. So much carefull and multi-faceted thinking about many aspects of music - the real phylosophical dissection of the field, and that is just what interests me. Thank you for this post, PJME! I know see there is a whole scene of musicians who are trying these paths. Alas, y...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 669347

I agree!! Stravinsky is one of my favorites and this work was one of the first I heared, and was ENTRANCED. It was not only subtle and deeply felt, but was also one of the rare large scale works almost without a boring second. It just blows all the way through.. I give it a listen from time to time ...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:08 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

It started when I was 18 years old. Before that I wasn't much into music, I only liked to listen to classical music in my childhood. I was the only child in my class who knew most of the classical composers, others listened to pop music that was to me boring. I wanted to learn to play piano, but my ...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:06 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: bbc beethoven download corrupted
Replies: 27
Views: 57761

jbuck919 wrote: I'm sure they would be honored by your kind opinion.
Ofcourse they would. That is what they lived for - to be recognised. By everyone.
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:04 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: bbc beethoven download corrupted
Replies: 27
Views: 57761

jbuck919 wrote: I'm sure they would be honored by your kind opinion.
What is wrong with you, mister 919?
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:10 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: bbc beethoven download corrupted
Replies: 27
Views: 57761

"How shall my art be known on Alpha Centauri?" Ludwig van Beethoven And Mozart: "You think that composing is easy for me. You cannot know what pangs of hell I go through to achieve what I do. And Bach: "I worked hard. Anyone who works equally hard will achieve as much." Those are the three best com...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Mahler, oh yes!
Replies: 42
Views: 28740

Very troublingly boring. Almost as boring as Bruckner. Hey, Bruckner ain't boring. I love his sixt symphony, and second to an extent (those are the only two I own). The problem with him was... he is prone to over-writting. A bit of cutting in SoundForge (sound editing software) would do him good. H...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:48 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: bbc beethoven download corrupted
Replies: 27
Views: 57761

But in Beethoven's time, there was much more enthusiasm for his music than nowadays. You must accpet the fact that nothing lasts forever. What was interesting 200 years ago, can not stay interesting in the same measure today. The fact that people are still listening essentialy the same versions of B...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:41 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 669347

jserraglio wrote:Mahler, Symphony No. 9. Tilson Thomas/SFSO
I hope you are not too young, since this work sounds to me as coming from an old, dying man...

Stravinsky: The Fairy's Kiss
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:29 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: bbc beethoven download corrupted
Replies: 27
Views: 57761

"Why fight the wave of the future? Why not figure out how to use it to our advantage?" Exactly! Why not figure out how to use synthesizers to improve music? Beethoven downloads are the proof that people are much more willing to listen to non-po&rock music than many think, but they are bothered with...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:47 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Only a lunatic -- or an idiot -- could agree with your "points" so grossly uninformed and blockheaded are they. Were it not so pathetically clear that you really believe in what you're saying, you would have been dismissed as a manifest troll long before now, and either been ignored totally (which ...
by Dalibor
Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:00 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

I didn't expect that not a single person here will agree with my points. I expected that majority will not, but this... almost unbeliavable. So I learn't a lesson: I thought that some people listen almost exclusively classical music because it is still the most mature music there is. But now I disco...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:14 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

All right, I think we reached the point where I should post the ending message that is concrete, without theoretical and maby a bit pathetic paragraphs. It practicaly comes down to two things. 1) Imagine trimbres to change dramaticaly and ingeniously, following modulations, melodic and rythmic happe...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:28 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

I'm being totally serious here: Dalibor, explain to us the music you want to hear. Real music? Synth sounds? Recorded sounds? What? I want to hear TOTALY ORGANISED music. Where sounds are as geometrised, as humanly imagined, as a melody. Where sounding is in the same measure artificial as melodic, ...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:18 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

[quote="12tone"] ....Any other color other than white invites thinking about real things. This caught my attention. "Real things?" Hey, art is not about real things. It can be a metaphore of reality, but never reality itself - then we woudln't need art at all. Art is an expirience from an inner, and...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:09 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Hey everyone, do you like classical music? Ha ha, I knew you do. Do you also like strange noises? Right on! You're on the fast road to enjoy my new cd! I took the sounds from whales, telephone booths and toaster ovens and took their self-frequencies and placed them at sublime levels and orchestrate...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

I already defended them, without attacking anyone. I gave all the arguments. No, all you did was tell us that we ought to junk the orchestral instruments for the synthesizer because the orchestral instruments are old and composers who use them all sound alike while the synthesizer is new and improv...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:01 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

There is a whole nation of people who think this. Although less them say this loudly. And who would this nation be? He called contemporary classical music "very reactionary" and is dissapointed because of that. He's just upset that no one wants to listen to anything he composed. So far you haven't ...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:53 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

I am shocked with your answer. Do you realy think that sounds of a handfull of acoustic, ancients instruments are everyting that is beautifull? Yah, pretty much. I've heard some nice stuff on synthesizer, but it ain't got the versatility or the staying power of those old fashioned instruments and I...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:47 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Now, com'on, Dalibor, you're the one with the outlandish ideas. Can't defend them without demeaning us? That's a real strategy. I already defended them, without attacking anyone. I gave all the arguments. But from your side - attacks, with no arguments. So don't be like those bullies who attack som...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:44 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

This guy single-handedly disrespected the entire history of Western musical achievement and called it a swamp compared to an apparently oceanic-sized world of synthesizer sounds! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Single handedly? You are not informed enough. There is a whole nation of people who think this. Althou...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:39 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Re: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions

1) Walking on two legs. Sure is a burden. 2) Breathing oxygen. Too many people breathe that stuff. Why not helium...like all the time? 3) Holding a pen in either your right or your left hand. Why not use your stumach. Too many people hold pens with their hands. Gotta use something else. 1) Walking ...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:37 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Re: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions

1) Walking on two legs. Sure is a burden. 2) Breathing oxygen. Too many people breathe that stuff. Why not helium...like all the time? 3) Holding a pen in either your right or your left hand. Why not use your stumach. Too many people hold pens with their hands. Gotta use something else. 1) Walking ...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:32 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

And yes, if world of classical music lovers is what I sensed here for this short time, I am utterly dissapointed. You have no future folks. Line my words.
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:30 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

I didn't want to make this thread a quarrel and render it into agressive mood, but you did it. All right then, I buy the game. Do you know what you are? You are a bunch frogs, that are so fond of their's little swamp, of acoustic sounds. I try to explain to you that the ocean of abstract, mental, sy...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Hell, no! It sounds artificial and mechanical. Why would I want to listen to a synthesizer sounding like a violin or a clarinet when I could hear the real thing and they sound so much better? I am shocked with your answer. Do you realy think that sounds of a handfull of acoustic, ancients instrumen...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:14 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Re: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions

Dalibor, no offense, but I think the people who do know a lot about music, including John, are trying to tell you they have no way of answering your questions because they have no insight into your frame of reference or what exactly it is you are trying to find out with your questions. I'm woried w...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:07 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

herman wrote (in another thread): "Like many people I used to like Mahler a lot. I loved the emotional excesses and the gorgeous orchestration colors. It was - if you'll pardon my french - like sucking on a giant tit of sound." Well, don'y you all think that those "gorgeous orchestral colors" could ...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:44 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Re: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions

This is the very stuff of false "ecstasy," the experience that is brought on in the puerile foolishness of the use of drugs. These are experiences that we set aside as we put our musical childhood behind us. I used no drugs. The expirience was as false as a musical expirience of any kind can be cal...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:40 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

As an addiction, I offer you a few words from ambient musicians - who do lack compositional powers of classical composers, but that doesn't mean that they are not right in what they have to say about this specific subject. Read what they say and try to explain me - why those attitudes are not accept...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:20 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Re: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions

To find the real sound of Beethoven? Of Mussorgsky? The real sound is what we already have. Do you think Beethoven had a drum machine and laptop in his room making music from sound recordings going "Phooey, my best work I'll keep on my computer. To the world I'll give my lesser, dumbed down works -...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

So, you all opine that there is no greater beauty of orchestral color than symphonic orchestra. You think that (theoreticaly) unlimited potentials of creating sounds and with a synthesizer can not contribute to musical art? THAT is a weird idea if you ask me. I suppose that you know for Rimsky-Korsa...
by Dalibor
Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:10 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions
Replies: 82
Views: 23058

Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions

Hello to all I love classical music since my chlidhood, but I am not exclusively a listener of classical music. But I almost exclusively listen to instrumental and orchestral music in general - like film music and "ambiental" music. I only don't like jazz and similar (rock etc.) instrumentals - too ...