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by paulb
Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:09 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

man give me Prokofiev, Berg, Webern, Schonberg, Debussy, Ravel...many others. Whose approach is totally opposed to the form you described. At least thats how my ears hear it. Prokofiev often composed very much within the rubric outlined in my post ("tightly controlled" etc). Take a gander at his 3r...
by paulb
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:59 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Paul, Do you really prefer to hear notes that have no purpose? More to point, can you find a composer more tightly controlled and purposeful then Debussy or Webern, the latter having wrote the most tightly controlled and purposeful music ever ? My goodness you should have waited. Did I answer your ...
by paulb
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:57 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Paul, Do you really prefer to hear notes that have no purpose? Well what I mean is the way Debusy and Ravel arranges their piano works. I mean just listen to them. We just slap the term, "impressionISM" on their solo piano workd, and "done deal", we've got it all boxed up nicely. I've been listenin...
by paulb
Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:24 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Quite the musical journey . . . . . . yet tightly controlled. Every note, every phrase, every figure has an essential purpose, .... fueling drama and erecting an architectural colossus. ." Now you have clearly and poignantly stated a general characterzation of all the romatic period. "tightly contr...
by paulb
Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:54 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Say what you like about certain Brahms works, but his symphonies are on a par with the best of Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann and Bruckner (and above Mahler's in beauty). Jack I;ve not heard Brahms 2,3,4., at least not that i can recall in the past 30 yrs. But knowing his 1st, I believe what you say...
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

i knew there were dozens of recordings in the syms of Brahms and Schumann. i was refering speciffically to Karl's recommendations of schumann's mass and requiem. Which IF it is so great, why only one second rate(Sawallich) conductor/EMI and 2 others with names i've not heard before. 3 recordings of ...
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:04 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Engage him now!
Replies: 19
Views: 4129

Re: Engage him now!

...... There was one of the most beautifull and passionate versions of Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov i have ever heard. But for some reasons it was split in two with other works between. ..... Because frankly its not a work to "carry the day". I find it only works in a live concert, on cd its a b...
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:38 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Oh, for those of you who desire some more howlers on why Brahms was such an "inferior" composer, may I suggest you go to Amazon & invest in some old B.H. Haggin books......they should be going for $1 or less per throw ('course, there's that nasty $3.49 shipping charge). The man sought to brainwash ...
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:03 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Oh one more thing. you'll find 3 recordings, 2 orchestras/conductors second rate...with nothing better to do that dust off the material and give it a go. I would simply like to point out that your implication that the quality of these works is based on how many recordings you can find is ridiculous...
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:25 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

karlhenning wrote:Thus spake Mr 30-Second Clip 8)
truth be told, i went to arkiv and read a comment on one of the releases. I extracted my ideas from what he said, with slight emblishments.

But I feel its not far from the truth.

I like BWV's post. "attempts at classical forms, bloated and dull at best".
nice.
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:46 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Thus spake Mr 30-Second Clip 8) you are fast...missed my edit. I wouldn't pay even the give-away price of $3.60 for the only one even worth considering. Heck its like I tell my friends about chinese buffets, Macdonalds, all that fast food c**P...not even if it was free would I act on it. In fact th...
by paulb
Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Jack knows perfectly well that I appreciate Schumann on an appropriate level. Not if you dismiss, unheard, the Mass Opus 147 and Requiem Cheers, ~Karl Schumann's Requiem, rehashed old symphonic material. The "mass" well fit for a concert hall, but please not in a church. Christ should not be so ins...
by paulb
Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:07 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I won't go and you can't make me!
Replies: 9
Views: 2326

New york, Boston, chicago, Los angeles will probably get by, as the numbers of classical fans are relatively large in those cities.(population 10M+!!!) Atlanta, Houston, may suffer, many others will suffer greatly. EDIT: Besides i just wonder how many of those NYPO tickets were freebies. Just to fil...
by paulb
Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:40 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I won't go and you can't make me!
Replies: 9
Views: 2326

Not want to buy, did you say? Heck if the Vienna was in Town playing the Brahms 4 syms, 2nd pc, and violin concerto I wouldn't attend. Even if the tickets were free. Get the idea. I'm speaking for myself, how other modernists feel is their business. I told you guys last yr that the concert program w...
by paulb
Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:50 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Anger from the Carnegie Hall Stage
Replies: 21
Views: 3064

Wasn't it Zimerman who had trouble with US security when he tried to ship his piano to los angeles for a concert past summer? yes It was, and i protedsted the guy's a gerk for dragging his piano overseas for a concert. What a ego. And yet another supreme case of a huge ego. Mna I need to lower my am...
by paulb
Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:03 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I won't go and you can't make me!
Replies: 9
Views: 2326

Interesting article, and true. Loaded with cannon fodder to back up my ideas on the future of the symphony hall/revenue streams. Cut to the chase "thoughtful programmatic innovations SIMPLY CANNOT happen when an institution is in the midst of a finicial crisis" Well there you hvae it. There will be ...
by paulb
Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Re: Brahms real talent...

The only work I have by Bramhs is the vc with Oistrakh. I believe Oistrakh recorded the vc like 5 times. He loved that concerto. its been yrs since I've listened, I'll spin it tonight. I happen to feel its his best work...well at least the work i like best. but its been some yrs..... Huh? And you a...
by paulb
Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:33 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Any composers similar in style to Kalinnikov?
Replies: 16
Views: 8758

Re: Any composers similar in style to Kalinnikov?

J Nguyen wrote:, but what about the music of other composers? Thank you for your help.
Try Shostakovich syms the Kondrashin or new Rozhdestvensky set , both offered on Ebay.
by paulb
Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 34155

Re: Brahms real talent...

Opus132 wrote: until he reached a fluidity of discourse that is wholly comparable to Mozart.

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by paulb
Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:50 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I put my David Oistrakh/6 cd praga collection up for sale
Replies: 6
Views: 2143

Never seen any of that on cd format.
by paulb
Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I put my David Oistrakh/6 cd praga collection up for sale
Replies: 6
Views: 2143

Sure, will let you know.

I guess you're enjoying Oistrakh on Beethoven and the other romantics.
The recordings , live in Prague were some od David's finest. And 6 cds worth!!! You got lucky and bought when avaliable.
by paulb
Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:39 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I put my David Oistrakh/6 cd praga collection up for sale
Replies: 6
Views: 2143

Hi lance Long story. I had it for sale months ago at 200, and one japanese guy felt he might want it. I tried to exaplin on the descrip that vol 4 has a slight scuff/a few secods when it makes a slight 'thmp" noise, but hardly noticable. For that reason alone it may be way overpriced. But as the onl...
by paulb
Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:06 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!
Replies: 23
Views: 3615

Corlyss I just heard the Kerry audio clip on Rush limbaugh's show. And just now read your photo caption. :lol: Poor Kerry for saying something... DUH -A...stupid :P But I must say, spoken like a true and faithful democrat. Paul , you should do us all a favor, and keep this stuff over in the Pub. Ch...
by paulb
Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:00 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!
Replies: 23
Views: 3615

On Telemann, I always felt Vivaldi offered a broader range of ideas.

Which Tememann would you recommend?
by paulb
Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:06 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Some Thoughts About Early Music
Replies: 10
Views: 4152

The german romantic affectionados cry "its still alive and as fresh as ever, as lovely as the day it was scored" The problem, as they see it, lies with anyone who cannot hear as they hear. yet ask many of them about Schonberg, Berg, Webern. :? "duh" Don't even ask them about Schnittke and Pettersson...
by paulb
Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:17 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: I hate portamento (portamenti?)
Replies: 7
Views: 3033

Re: I hate portamento (portamenti?)

I felt the same way when I compared two versions of the Barber Violin Concerto - Hilary Hahn is very clean and exact in her recording with the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra, while Gil Shaham is kind of sliding around. More clean playing please. Hillary hahn has a very nice tonal quality to her playing...
by paulb
Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:21 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Some Thoughts About Early Music
Replies: 10
Views: 4152

Re: 'new music'

When I was in music school (the Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore) we had a music history prof. who's pet theory was that everything after Bach was just a re-hashing. We even had to justify his position on a final exam! If you look at music from a purely harmonic analysis, his idea is hard to dispu...
by paulb
Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:06 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Some Thoughts About Early Music
Replies: 10
Views: 4152

I love the ideas presented here. I always felt Debussy, Ravel, some Varese, Bartok to be new music, even 75+ yrs after written. Of course Schnonberg, Berg, Webern also is fresh and new music. I would say some of Stravinsky is old style, listen to his villin concerto. Sibelius syms are old style. Sho...
by paulb
Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:48 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: RSNO Does Sibelius Cycle
Replies: 4
Views: 1140

Karl I guess you didn;t notice on the listening thread where I mentioned my opnion of Schnittke's 4 violin concertos. You can read my review on amazon, Schnittke/Kremer. I even put that 2 cd set, OOP, up for sale. The 4th vc is a good work. Kremer said the 2,3 vc's are spiritual for him. That may be...
by paulb
Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:33 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 24159

. I've known many music-lovers whose favorite was Brahms and knew hardly anything by Handel, Mozart, Schumann, Wagner or Bruckner---not to mention 20th century works. He did admit, however, that there is some "padding" at the beginning of the Second Symphony (with the drum-rolls). Jack Those drum r...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:28 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 698365

Alfred Schnittke's 4 violin concertos/Kremer (OOP cd) I love the 4th vc, the 3rd is OK, but the 1,2 vc's don't rea;;y work for me, as Alfred mentions in the notes that vc1 is only for hisotorical purposes, "its was my beginning". Even as good as the 4th vc is, it is still not on par with his finest ...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:47 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: RSNO Does Sibelius Cycle
Replies: 4
Views: 1140

Re: RSNO Does Sibelius Cycle

ail to the mighty Finn MICHAEL TUMELTY November 01 2006 Yet, over the past 20 years in this business, I have been shocked by the number of people, strong music lovers all, who have confessed that they "just don't get the point of the music". Some openly dislike it. Some (many) have said they are un...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:51 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 24159

Well then karl, since i've got you in a good mood. here's another you should know. We living in 2006 have placed some composers in such estimation BARTOK....SHOSTAKOVICH....SCHONBERG And yet other composers, just a few a few yrs later receive others equally as fine , hardly a nod pettersson...schnit...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:33 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 24159

The romantics are great composers, is a qualified idea. Its true in one sense, from another perspective it may not be so true. Nonsense, Paul . Your failure to appreciate great art, does not make it "not great." Why do you resist the simple, sensible idea that your personal perception is not the ce...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:14 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!
Replies: 23
Views: 3615

Re: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!

(BTW, let me state the obvious here: I am simply restoring the truth that historically some composers have in fact had negative things to say about Il prete rosso . The matter of my own like or dislike, is here irrelevant.) Cheers, ~Karl What is 'il prete rosso" ? Vivaldi's operas are interesting, ...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:06 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 24159

The only romantic composer Saphire mentioned not liking here was Bruckner, and then mentioned liking most other 19th century music from the great names---what do you think this means?? It means romantic composers. How could the romantic crowd make Saphire feel bad, then? BTW, Stravinsky rules. Cons...
by paulb
Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:51 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!
Replies: 23
Views: 3615

....... it was Stravinsky who dismissed Vivaldi for writing "the same concerto 600 times". . Oh you know how we all say things off the top's our heads. We all do it, all the time. Lets not take everything a composer says as being his final word on the matter. What you didn't hear Stravinsky most li...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:55 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Another turn of the century poll - a bit more up-to-date
Replies: 45
Views: 8626

Hi Paul Thanks. I think this idea about "classical fans" could be extended: type 1 : haven't got much past the 1812 Overture and say they love classical music type 2 : know a bit about everything but can't make their mind up which they like best so they say they love it all type 3 : been there, see...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:26 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Another turn of the century poll - a bit more up-to-date
Replies: 45
Views: 8626

Paul: My comment was that I draw a line about 1945 as there isn't much classical music after that which interests me . The 2 pieces I mentioned, which I do like, were written in the early 1940s and 1945. (Actually, I'm not sure why I'm posting here. It seems silly really. I only wanted a "none" cat...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:43 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!
Replies: 23
Views: 3615

Re: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!

You will not find any composer in history that said even one negative comment about Vivaldi. Mercy, but that's the funniest thing I've read all day, Paul ! Cheers, ~Karl Karl i stepped out my clown outfit when i said that :P But there's much truth in it...or I wouldn't had said it. I'm thinking abo...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:08 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!
Replies: 23
Views: 3615

Re: Bad news, folks: I DON'T DISLIKE VIVALDI ANYMORE!

Yep, you heard me. Feel free to castigate me for this "sudden drop" in taste level--but in actuality, I'm finally seeing what a genius he really is. After all, what other composer would custom-design a concerto to just about any and every instrument in use (at the time Vivaldi lived), and show such...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:12 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 24159

I didn't care for Bruckner for many years, but it was well worth the wait and "effort". Now one of my personal favourites. I hope the same will happen one day with Dvorak and Stravinsky, but time will tell. The works and artists recognized over time and distance is a fairly reliable guide, IMHO. I ...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:29 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 24159

Recent posts here have been most interesting. I won't copy tons of it. I am talking about the extent to which one's music "tastes" are partly based on wishful thinking. Having searched my conscience, I think there's some substance in this. This issue has always been lurking in the back of my mind, ...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:12 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Another turn of the century poll - a bit more up-to-date
Replies: 45
Views: 8626

Saph not sure exactly what you are saying about "1945, 5 yrs, ...bartok, RVW sym 5...." Are you saying these 2 works represent the turning point as far as the great classical period started "tappering off"?? IOW you feel there' s not much happening past 1950? Well for some reason you left off Schost...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:23 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Another turn of the century poll - a bit more up-to-date
Replies: 45
Views: 8626

karlhenning wrote:
paulb wrote:However I've yet to see Type2, say "wow" t either Schnittke and Pettersson, and also carter.
Of all this amusingly strawmannish post, Paul, this line is the most blatant of your strawmen.

Cheers,
~Karl
Karl as you know even the clown has a part in Shakespeare's plays.
How am I doing :?:
:P
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:03 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Another turn of the century poll - a bit more up-to-date
Replies: 45
Views: 8626

Hi Paul Thanks. I think this idea about "classical fans" could be extended: type 1 : haven't got much past the 1812 Overture and say they love classical music type 2 : know a bit about everything but can't make their mind up which they like best so they say they love it all type 3 : been there, see...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 698365

Just got in , for the 2nd time, as i dumped this cd last yr, Schonberg/Uchida/Boulez/Philips. Schonberg/Concerto for piano Webern/piano variations Schonberg/op11,op19 Berg/piano sonata Highly recommended. Yeah I know Uchida and Boulez take the tempo maybe seemingly a bit too slow, but the opening mo...
by paulb
Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:39 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Another turn of the century poll - a bit more up-to-date
Replies: 45
Views: 8626

Dawg Could you please add a "none" category. You might get more numbers voting, me included. Saphire Sap There are 2 kinds of classicphiles. Those who'll take any "Tom, Dick, or Harry" 's music that comes along and says 'its classical"!!, that those who have refined their taste and developed sensib...
by paulb
Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:24 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: your favorite turn of the century composer?
Replies: 23
Views: 9350

edit: I agree with you about Messiaen, who for me is another great composer, but wasn't srue whether or not he qualified as early 20th century :wink: I was into Messiaen past summer. Then in Aug, I read a comment by a reviewer on amazon, the opera St Francsis, and the guy made sense, something or o...