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by slofstra
Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:26 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

John F, Goulding offers his "top 50" list not as a way to "learn about [his] subjectivities," which would be a personal ego-trip and would have made the book completely unmarketable, " Is your argument with a straw man or with me? I wasn't speaking about Goulding but about list making in general, an...
by slofstra
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

I think your well reasoned argument deserves a response. Goulding's "rules" give it away: this is essentially a game. His rationale and all 4 rules are on the Amazon.com site: http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Music-Phil-G-Goulding/dp/0449910423 I think it's a silly game, as there's really no basis be...
by slofstra
Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:19 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What's good about twentieth century music?
Replies: 18
Views: 5285

Re: What's good about twentieth century music?

Plurality became the name of the game early in the 1900s, and it's still the name. I might argue, and I think I will, that the atonal movement represents the culmination and then demise of a certain thread in Western music, that is, Germanic, male dominated, grandiose. Each successive generation st...
by slofstra
Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:58 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

I consider Beethoven, JS Bach and Mozart the three greatet composers that ever existed. But making a list of the 20 greatest is almost impossible. It is more than 600 years of music. I would mention Dufay, Palestrina, Monteverdi, Schütz, Händel, Haydn, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Wagner, Verdi, Bru...
by slofstra
Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:42 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

Okay, let me be clear. There is only one rule and it is this: there are no rules. However, Goulding, in his book, had some rules. He first divided his 50 composers into 4 levels: 1-3. Immortals 4-10. Demigods 11-20. Composers of Genius 21-50. Artists of a High Order Then Goulding (not me) states: A ...
by slofstra
Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

I haven't been around here for that long, but I've found that these kinds of threads always end in disaster. :? -G To rank 20 composers and do it well, even if purely out of one's own interest, requires a fairly extensive knowledge of repertoire. Which many forum participants here possess. But the ...
by slofstra
Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:50 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

Can I just check the rules here, it says we can add to immortals but not to demote the three pre existing Immortals, but then we are told we can only promote people up two catagories, I took that to mean that we couldn't go straight to immortal for someone not on the original list, could you please...
by slofstra
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

I'm not one for being objective in these kinds of things, since there's really no accounting for taste. The list should be subjective. Being subjective might be more than indicating which music provides the most pleasure. One could admire Ravel's skills in orchestration while feeling a distance from...
by slofstra
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Top 20 composers
Replies: 89
Views: 19425

Top 20 composers

Some time ago a retired journalist named Phil G. Goulding wrote a book, The 50 Greatest Composers , in which he introduced each composer, but ranked them as well. Here was his ranking of the top 20: IMMORTAL 1. Bach 2. Mozart 3. Beethoven DEMI-GOD 4. Wagner 5. Haydn 6. Brahms 7. Schubert 8. Schumann...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:44 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 100-CD Beethoven Boxset Due in September!
Replies: 28
Views: 6566

What's your point? That Brilliant Classics should not release mass-produced recordings of classical music at a time when CD sales are having a coronary? Good question, besides just being goofy. I was rather thinking about Pachelbel, whose Canon is ubiquitous and unavoidable, and I just liked the id...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 20th century pieces you dislike and why you dislike them
Replies: 15
Views: 4696

Regarding the date of Bax's music. A lot slips across the 1945 boundary, including Vaughan Williams, Stravinksy, Prokofiev (I think, could be wrong though), and Shostakovich. I don't know if we can include these or not. Stravinsky certainly sounds very 'new'. Tonight I listened to his Symphony in C ...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If I take RVW over Beethoven?
Replies: 32
Views: 7370

To be clear, I would too. There is no peer to the tension or delight (as the case may be) of a Beethoven symphony. But to say which one would 'prefer' to listen to is quite a different question. Instant coffee doesn't compare to cappuccino, but the former is 'preferred' by some people much of the ti...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:45 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 100-CD Beethoven Boxset Due in September!
Replies: 28
Views: 6566

'NOT SO BRILLIANT CLASSICS' releases 100 CD version of PACHELBEL!! Containing the Canon in all these versions: * Live recordings from various gift shops and hair stylists with authentic cash register sounds. * The canon was first adapted musically in a pop song by the Spanish vocal group Pop Tops, o...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:28 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Gré Brouwenstijn, soprano - good most of the time!
Replies: 5
Views: 2326

I thought your Aafje was quite good, although the last name might be HIGH-nis. (I spoke Dutch when young, my first tongue, but never wrote it, and have read only a little). [quote=Lance]how would Gré Brouwenstijn's name be pronounced? Would it be "Greh (or gray) BROW-vhen-shteeyen"?[/quote] The firs...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:15 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 20th century pieces you dislike and why you dislike them
Replies: 15
Views: 4696

I am not fond of Adams. And I DO like - in small doses - Andriessen, Glass and Reich. I can't get the hang of Maxwell-Davies' Naxos String Quartets. I'm not sure about Bax - although his Symphony No.1 is growing on me - it might catch. I'm also not sure about Maw. I enjoy Lutoslawski a great deal - ...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: KWS welcomes new conductor
Replies: 10
Views: 2265

KWS welcomes new conductor

Who or what is the KWS, you may ask?

Check out the following:

KWS new conductor video
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Gré Brouwenstijn, soprano - good most of the time!
Replies: 5
Views: 2326

As one of Dutch background, I can assure you that you cannot say 'Gre' properly unless you are Dutch. It requires a certain combination of sputum and the guttural that one has to begin with at a very early age. If you can find a Dutch pronunciation of Van Gogh, that may assist you. Click here to hea...
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Volodos has a new Sony CD, all-Liszt program
Replies: 5
Views: 2211

Do you think Volodos has the best Rachmaninov's third?
by slofstra
Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If I take RVW over Beethoven?
Replies: 32
Views: 7370

Interesting comparison, and not surprisingly, one I'll have to weigh in on. If I listen to Beethoven's 5th, which I've been listening to for 40 years now, I'm good again for a while, like for a year or two maybe. Whereas, RVW still sounds very fresh to my ears. I think we go through stages in our li...
by slofstra
Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Music Videos on YouTube
Replies: 33
Views: 21499

Are most of you familiar with the version of Liebestraum composed by Fliszt?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LWqFaGwNCMU
by slofstra
Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:25 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

This is a common theme. It isn't just that the new generation is seeking to outdo or advance from the previous. There's an arrogant disregard for what has gone before, a thumbing of the nose at the rules. Each new generation, in its arrogance, seeks its comeuppance on the strictures of the previous....
by slofstra
Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:56 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

As you allude, it's well known that Russian art and music is highly derivative of arts to the west, first with Peter the Great (who spent his youth in Amsterdam) and moreso, with Catherine, who looked west in envy and used Russia's wealth to build the Hermitage as a house for her European treasures....
by slofstra
Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Bernstein: How good a conductor?
Replies: 55
Views: 18761

The one thing Bernstein could not do well (not at all, actually):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383m8HEvEM0

(Space ahead to 00:30)
by slofstra
Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:42 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Robert Schumann's works
Replies: 38
Views: 12484

Schumann is my second favourite composer of the 19th Century:
Second after Beethoven in symphonies,
Second after Schubert in lieder,
Second after Brahms in chamber,
Second after Chopin in piano.

Arguably, the only one that excelled in all four areas. (Note I said 'arguably').
by slofstra
Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

if there were not this apparently arbitrary Olympus that governs it. I don't buy any of this for a minute. Yes, the sprinkling of the absolute greatest of geniuses may be arbitrary - at the level of Beethoven or Mozart. But surely conditions conducive to the development of orchestral music existed ...
by slofstra
Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:08 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

From UVW's biography, a letter from RVW about his meeting and lessons with Ravel: He said that for my first lessons I had better write 'ecrire un petit menuet dans le style de Mozart'. .. I said in my best French, 'Look here, I have given up my time, my work, my friends and my career to come here an...
by slofstra
Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:57 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

Enjoyable and insightful posts. Why didn't English music develop during the 19th C as it did on the continent? I'm reminded of Arnold's Victorian era observations that the British were Hebraists not Hellenists (and that the aristocracy were cultural Phillistines). But, on reflection, England excelle...
by slofstra
Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

Listening to RVWs "Flos Campi" the other day I was struck by how his modal approach anticipated post "Kind of Blue" jazz, harmonically at least. So from that perspective arguably "ahead of his time"? The Handley set has been a favourite pre-occupation these last months, and my favourite disc contai...
by slofstra
Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

By the way Slofstra, is Fischer-Dieskau's son still working with the Waterloo? No. He's been gone for 2-3years now. Unfortunately, our symphony board fired two very fine conductors in about 3 years. That led to a split board, and a very public, very disastrous battle. A lot of ill feelings and unfo...
by slofstra
Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:37 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

I don't know of any either, but that doesn't make them not the same. :twisted:
by slofstra
Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

I believe that A London Symphony was dedicated to Butterworth. Along with Holst, I believe, the closest friends of VW?
English/ Irish, all the same aren't they? :twisted:
by slofstra
Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Scandal In Cleveland
Replies: 8
Views: 4163

Sorry, conservativemaestro, my last post crossed with your last, and your post contains additional information not in the article. If the student incident happened three years ago (and it seems it did happen) and everything was hushed up, and the student agreed to non-disclosure, whose agenda are we...
by slofstra
Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Scandal In Cleveland
Replies: 8
Views: 4163

My point is that the facts as presented don't amount to much more than character assassination. And that happens equally as often as power corrupting, in general. (Sometimes you have both at the same time). But I really don't know much about orchestras and what goes on inside them. Do you think a 'c...
by slofstra
Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:09 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

Okay, you lot, push off. Here I thought I was a dinosaur!

:P
by slofstra
Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Scandal In Cleveland
Replies: 8
Views: 4163

Musicians! Read between the lines, though. There's definitely a hefty amount of professional jealousy and spite at work here. Is there anything that is actually newsworthy? The professional misconduct with the student is all hearsay. He got his sister into a temporary job on a trip to China, big dea...
by slofstra
Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Which music needs good sound?
Replies: 21
Views: 8439

That was uncanny. I just finished listening to Furtwangler's Schubert's 9th (2 movements only). Came back upstairs to finish the NYT and read a couple of threads, and voila, here is a discussion of the very piece I had just played. What are the chances of that? I've listened to classical music for m...
by slofstra
Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

I'm getting something out of this. For example, I had not heard of the Dutton label, and a quick perusal of their website looks promising. I've bought a few releases of Stanford, Holst, etc. on Naxos and they can be quite good. I believe Stanford mentored Vaughan Williams, Holst and others in their ...
by slofstra
Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

From wiki: "The Edwardian period or Edwardian era in the United Kingdom is the period 1901 to 1910, the reign of King Edward VII. It succeeded the Victorian period and is sometimes extended to include the period up to the sinking of the RMS Titanic in 1912, the start of World War I in 1914, or even ...
by slofstra
Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:35 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Birthday wishes: Corlyss M. Drinkard
Replies: 29
Views: 9941

Happy birthday, Corlyss. You certainly live up to that old adage "Better a Drinkard than a drunkard". Thanks for the encouraging and postive tone in which you approach the task of moderator. P.S. I made up the old adage, could you tell?
by slofstra
Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime
Replies: 65
Views: 20415

Edwardian English music: Ahead of its time or past its prime

Dear Abby, Our local symphony orchestra is in the third year of a hiatus between conductors. A conductor, who has been helping out in the interim, hales from Britain, and last night led the orchestra in a sterling program which included Maxwell-Davies' “An Orkney Wedding, with Sunrise”, and also Vau...
by slofstra
Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:17 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Operas that are the most accessible
Replies: 53
Views: 15613

The penny dropped the first time I actually went to see an opera. If classical music live is twice as good as recorded, then live opera is 10 times what recorded opera is. So the most accessible opera is the one that's playing live in your neighbourhood. Some years ago I pretty much stopped purchas...
by slofstra
Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:23 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Interesting Article on Wagner
Replies: 224
Views: 62628

The 50 Greatest Cartoons: As Selected by 1,000 Animation Professionals

Can you guess what was number 1?

Does this seem out of context. No. Wagner has been eclipsed. By an animated rabbit and a bald hunter. What are you arguing about? No-one cares ....
by slofstra
Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mozart piano sonatas
Replies: 69
Views: 32117

(I do not like the sound of ancient pianos, which sound to me like toys, and all my recordings of the above are on modern Steinways, Bösendorfers, etc.) I can't let this last little comment slip by. Are you referring to ancient recordings of ancient pianos, or the pianos themselves? For example, on...
by slofstra
Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Interesting Article on Wagner
Replies: 224
Views: 62628

This is getting way, way too serious, especially for those of us who have come to Wagner by way of Fudd. There is a serious point to this article if you read far enough. Kill the Wabbit! Chuck Jones’ gimmick bears fruit by Bryan Zepp Jamieson 11/23/02 http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Sociology/opera...
by slofstra
Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mozart piano sonatas
Replies: 69
Views: 32117

Would someone who is well acquainted with the sonatas care to break them into an A,B and C list? This might be a useful list for the casual but less intrepid Mozart sonata listener (i.e. me), and for anyone that browses this thread in the future. If this request stimulates an argument so much the be...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 3415142

You have made me very interested in Curzon. However, I could not find a complete box set on amazon.com (these web sites are just getting too cluttered - does not mean it isn't there). I did find this: Partial Mozart Curzon concerto set which is very good value, and something I might be more inclined...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Mozart piano sonatas
Replies: 69
Views: 32117

Uchida's performances are almsot universally liked, beautifully played and recorded. However, they also bore me to tears - I like my Mozart red-blooded and I feel that the smooth, almost precious approach supplies too much varnish for music that's already well-varnished from a performance standpoin...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 3415142

All Kempff's concerto recordings are collected in a DG box set very worthwhile, as for Uchida's Mozart Concertos I don't think Tate is that great a conductor, Pehria's set on CBS has been remastered superbly and is a great value box set, check it out...also check out the Curzon Boxes on Decca the l...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 3415142

This weekend (and additionally over the past week), it's been much Shostakovich and Prokofiev. I've always liked Shosty, but have only recently taken to Prokofiev, especially his piano and violin concertos. Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 David Oistrakh, violin New York Philharmonic Dimitri Mit...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 3415142

Mozart Piano Concertos Nos 23 & 24 Kempff, Leitner, Bamberg Symphony Orchestra DG 423 885-2 This is my first Mozart Piano Concerto CD. It is AMAZING, IMO, full of personal feeling, especially in the adagio of 23. Want to get a full set of Mozart Piano Concertos. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks...