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by John F
Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions on the best or your favourite BRUCKNER recordings
Replies: 82
Views: 11986

Thanks for the further information about the Haas edition of Bruckner 8. The Wikipedia article leans heavily on Benjamin Korstvedt's Cambridge Music Handbook on the symphony, published in 2000; I haven't read it or indeed seen it, but Korstvedt's description of those 8 bars in the finale as appearin...
by John F
Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Why Do We Like the Music We Like?
Replies: 10
Views: 1255

Incidentally, Levitin makes one of his occasional boners about classical music in one of the passages Beckmesser quotes (though he doesn't quote the boner): With one schema, Mahler's Fifth is perfectly interpretable, even upon hearing it for the first time: It is a symphony, it follows symphonic for...
by John F
Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:56 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A tale of three Eroicas
Replies: 22
Views: 2167

The Berlin Phil/Furtwängler Eroica I described is on a Cetra Concerto Live disc in the set LO 530, where it is identified as the performance of Dec. 7, 1952. John Ardoin's discography doesn't list this set (and incidentally says that the performance of Dec. 8 was formerly misdated June 20, 1950). Th...
by John F
Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Good DVDs of Britten Operas/Operettas?
Replies: 8
Views: 1465

The BBC telecast "Owen Wingrave" with Peter Pears in 1971, and I believe there was also a BBC studio black-and-white telecast of "Peter Grimes" during the '60s, but can't pin that down. Unfortunately neither has been issued commercially, as far as I know.
by John F
Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions on the best or your favourite BRUCKNER recordings
Replies: 82
Views: 11986

"Besides restorations, Haas also composed passages and inserted them." (about Bruckner 8) Really? I've never heard that said, and Deryck Cooke mentions no such thing in "The Bruckner Problem Simplified," which goes fairly closely into the differences between Haas's and other editions. He does menti...
by John F
Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A tale of three Eroicas
Replies: 22
Views: 2167

Furtwängler achieved an extraordinary effect at the climax of the first movement development which Bernstein picked up decades later and I've heard suggested in other performances, but Furtwängler was first. The two-against-three motif emerges from its context (near the beginning it's a loop back to...
by John F
Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:04 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Aida on DVD
Replies: 8
Views: 1208

There's a video from the Arena di Verona when they were using sets etc. replicating 19th-century originals, I'm told. No performance in a theatre can match it for sheer spectacle--and the all-Italian cast sings well too. Currently available from Kultur; search Verdi Aida Chiara on amazon.com.
by John F
Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:56 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Nielsen Symphonies
Replies: 28
Views: 6467

The only problem with the Martinon is there is a longer than usual pause (due to an engineering fault) between the third and fourth movement. That's because RCA, weirdly, chose to make the LP side break there. It would seem they worked from the tape masters used for the LP when mastering the CD, an...
by John F
Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:48 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions on the best or your favourite BRUCKNER recordings
Replies: 82
Views: 11986

One feature of van Beinum's Bruckner 8 which has affected how I hear the piece is that he used the first Bruckner Society edition, by Robert Haas. This is the one that restores parts of the finale that Bruckner cut when preparing the otherwise definitive last edition. Haas has been superseded by Now...
by John F
Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:36 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: So, Pianists Have Mannerisms??!!
Replies: 24
Views: 2663

Not only that, but Conlon's esthetic philosophizing just won't bear thinking about. Pretentious twaddle. He's an excellent conductor, and I admire his exploration of worthy little-known repertoire, but as a thinker, he simply does not merit the forum that PBS provided him. As for Bernard Holland's o...
by John F
Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opera Quiz
Replies: 408
Views: 32763

For a long time, Amahl and the Night Visitors was the most performed opera in the US because of amateur and school performances, especially at Christmas. It may still be, for all I know, or it may have lost its appeal. But since Central Opera Service closed in 1990, I don't believe there is any orga...
by John F
Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:03 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Nielsen Symphonies
Replies: 28
Views: 6467

The first recordings of Nielsen were made by Danish orchestras under conductors who worked him. I still think some are the most vital and powerful I've heard. If you come across any conducted by Thomas Jensen, whose tempos could sometimes be startlingly fast (as in a live recording of the 4th) and w...
by John F
Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: So, Pianists Have Mannerisms??!!
Replies: 24
Views: 2663

Two responses. It's been a long time since I've come across anything by Bernard Holland that was worth the reading. He's a lazy, careless reviewer, and his more general pieces are either commonplace or idiosyncratic, in either case nothing I can learn anything new from. It astonishes me that the New...
by John F
Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions on the best or your favourite BRUCKNER recordings
Replies: 82
Views: 11986

The first recordings I heard of Bruckner symphonies were Eduard van Beinum's with the Amsterdam Concertgebouw Orchestra, starting with #7 and also including #8 and #9. I also heard them play the Seventh in concert in the '50s. These are fairly brisk (by Bruckner standards), objective performances, b...
by John F
Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:18 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Music: representational? A language?
Replies: 65
Views: 5243

Music can't be a language because it doesn't have a lexicon (word-like units with meanings). It can be representational--imitations of nonmusical sounds, and more controversially, evocations of some emotions--but that's not its main function. The analogy that fits best, I suppose, is with mathematic...
by John F
Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:08 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Valery Gergiev
Replies: 12
Views: 1337

Gergiev is one of the most exciting conductors around today. Russian music is his forte, of course, but he's also conducted a powerful Mahler 6 with the New York Philharmonic, and last summer he led the Kirov Opera in two Ring cycles at Lincoln Center that I was glad to have heard--both of them.
by John F
Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Von Karajan "a moral and creative nullity?"
Replies: 57
Views: 5244

The monster is back, and his name is Norman Lebrecht.
by John F
Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:57 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Recordings Have Killed Classical Music?
Replies: 35
Views: 2831

At about the same time you were posting your message, I went back and added a sentence to mine. I don't want to be unfair, so I'll repeat the sentence here, in context, and say that obviously you can't have seen it before: Popular and folk music sets the bar to enjoyment and appreciation lower than ...
by John F
Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:48 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Recordings Have Killed Classical Music?
Replies: 35
Views: 2831

I've read all the posts to this thread, and just now skimmed them all to double check. I don't find anywhere that anyone has claimed that the record industry has made people dislike atonal music. I was responding to your own message, which begins: I'd be the last person, surrounded as I am with tho...
by John F
Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:50 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Recordings Have Killed Classical Music?
Replies: 35
Views: 2831

It's not the record industry that has made the general music public dislike atonal music. To the contrary, records have made Schoenberg & Co. available to many, many more listeners than the orchestras, chamber groups, and opera houses have. Moses und Aron had been recorded a half dozen times before ...
by John F
Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:14 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Appreciating Elliott Carter
Replies: 71
Views: 8344

For the first of Juilliard's concerts devoted to Elliott Carter's music, this one conducted by Pierre Boulez, Mr. Carter was in the audience as we expected him to be. However, he needed help to get out of his seat and come forward to accept the applause. The actual 100th birthday doesn't come until ...
by John F
Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:09 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Recordings Have Killed Classical Music?
Replies: 35
Views: 2831

Recordings, broadcasts, and telecasts (and population growth) have expanded the audience for classical music beyond anything that could have been imagined before, say, World War II. Audiences and music lovers support musicians and composers. (No doubt there are those who satisfy themselves with reco...
by John F
Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:38 am
Forum: Classical Concert Reviews
Topic: Finally, I Hear a Theremin at a Concert!
Replies: 3
Views: 1384

Neeme Järvi smuggled a theremin into a New Jersey Symphony concert a couple of years ago, playing Ravel's vocalise in the form of a habañera as an encore. I believe one of the orchestra's violinists had taken up the theremin as a hobby and Järvi gave him a one-shot. It looked like a brand-new instru...
by John F
Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Appreciating Elliott Carter
Replies: 71
Views: 8344

Juilliard will be presenting six concerts of Carter's music, starting tonight with the Lucerne and Juilliard combined ensemble conducted by Pierre Boulez, then continuing with four chamber music programs, and ending with the Juilliard Orchestra conducted by James Levine in Ives and Carter. Details a...
by John F
Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:26 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Hi Dmitri, it's your old pal, Josef
Replies: 5
Views: 761

I don't believe there was much that Stalin didn't know about. And since he had taken a personal interest in Shostakovich from the "Lady Macbeth of Mzensk" days, there was probably even less he didn't know about the status of Shostakovich's music in the nation or even the city he ruled. That said, St...
by John F
Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:48 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who is the last of the great composers?
Replies: 94
Views: 11046

Seems to me that great music is still being written today, and presumably those who write it would qualify as great composers. Of course it will take time for the kind of consensus to build up that surrounds the works of Bach, Mozart, et al. First impressions don't necessarily tell the story. Shosta...
by John F
Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's 6th Piano Concerto
Replies: 8
Views: 1301

Actually it's Beethoven's 7th piano concerto, as he composed one in E flat at the age of 14. All that survives is the piano part with orchestral cues, but long ago I heard a reconstruction of it. As you'd expect, the influence of Mozart is very strong. He'd just composed a half-dozen concertos in Vi...
by John F
Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:04 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert's Winterreise tenor version
Replies: 9
Views: 1193

I haven't heard Peter Schreier's recording with Andras Schiff, but his earlier version with no less than Sviatoslav Richter is pretty special.
by John F
Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Schubert's Ninth symphony
Replies: 34
Views: 6561

I agree that the Josef Krips/London Symphony recording is a beautiful performance of the Great C Major. Older and in monaural sound is Wilhelm Furtwängler's DG recording with the Berlin Philharmonic, a magnificent achievement in every way. The Szell and Münch recordings, which I've heard, are powerf...
by John F
Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Anyone identify this please?
Replies: 7
Views: 1353

RapidShare is a German company providing free as well as fee-based web hosting, which been under injunction since January to cease the "unlawful use" of copyrighted works. Apparently it's used in a big way for file-sharing, it's the engine behind Yahoo's OperaShare group (unfortunately no new member...
by John F
Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Stravinsky, Miles Davis, Picasso - all chameleons?
Replies: 9
Views: 1315

For all their openness to different modes, Stravinsky and Picasso were among the most distinctive stylists of their time. A bar or two and you know it's Stravinsky; a passing glance and it has to be Picasso. Unlike chameleons, they never changed what they were doing in order to blend in with the bac...
by John F
Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:07 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Calling DC Area residents!
Replies: 1
Views: 558

Whoever does it can also see a rare and excellent production of Christopher Marlowe's "Tamburlaine the Great" by the Shakespeare Theater Company. Directed by Michael Kahn, Avery Brooks gives a powerhouse performance in the title role, and the cast is strong from top to bottom. From the web site I se...
by John F
Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:04 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Battle of Seattle
Replies: 7
Views: 1063

We New Yorkers saw a lot of Gerard Schwarz in the '80s and '90s, not just in concerts but in occasional open rehearsals for Mostly Mozart. I never saw anything that could be described as even mild discourtesy toward the players. What I did see at Mostly Mozart was a lot of lackadaisical playing; poi...
by John F
Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:44 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Flexatone
Replies: 8
Views: 1294

There's an article on the flexatone in Wikipedia, complete with photo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexatone
by John F
Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What Was The Deal With Toscanini?
Replies: 20
Views: 2005

As charmnewton says, Toscanini played a great deal of the new music of his time. He was born in 1867, was among the cellists at the world premiere of Verdi's "Otello," and conducted the world premieres of "Pagliacci" and "La Boheme" and the Italian premieres of Strauss's "Salome" and Debussy's "Pell...
by John F
Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:07 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Hours Of The Day of FJH
Replies: 3
Views: 694

Twyla Tharp's ballet "Push Comes to Shove" uses Haydn's Symphony #82 (L'Ours). It's very funny, and there's an excellent video featuring Mikhail Baryshnikov on DVD. A clip from this, the finale, is on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcuNakztTw
by John F
Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:45 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Paul van Kempen (conductor): Nazi collaborator?
Replies: 9
Views: 1808

I don't have any new information, but if van Kempen really had collaborated with the Nazis, how could he have been allowed to carry on his career in the Netherlands, and actually be appointed chief conductor of the Netherlands Radio Orchestra as soon as 1949? That there were protests at some of his ...
by John F
Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Help, trying to recall a female violinist's name
Replies: 20
Views: 2469

If you can't remember her name and you can't remember anything else about her, why do you care? I'm puzzled.
by John F
Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A subjective question
Replies: 66
Views: 10217

My desert island piece would be Mozart's "Le Nozze di Figaro."
by John F
Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Whatever Happened To Tower's CD Stock In Stores And Online?
Replies: 4
Views: 866

As Ralph says, Tower sold as much of its stock as possible before handing over the stores to the new buyers, who weren't going to use them as record stores and had no use for recordings. In the New York stores and most likely the rest of them, the bins were constantly refilled from the warehouses. A...
by John F
Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Where to get good articles from an specific play?
Replies: 11
Views: 1190

The New York Philharmonic puts program notes for quite a few pieces online, dating back as far as 2001, and you can find them at: http://nyphil.org/attend/programNotes/index.cfm?page=home It may be that other orchestras and organizations do this too, but I don't know which they are. Maybe someone el...
by John F
Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:57 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: classical radio programming research report - help
Replies: 11
Views: 1298

Three documents--classexecsumm.pdf, CPBReportNationalClassicalMusicTesting.pdf, and PRPDClassicalMusicTesting.pdf--open with no problems in Adobe Reader and its freeware alternative Foxit. Best bet is probably to download them and then read them from your hard drive, rather than open them in your br...
by John F
Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:37 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Rest Is Noise--You VILL Enjoy This Book!!
Replies: 25
Views: 2999

> Agreed, but his symphonic music never goes beyond Mahler.

The point is that Ross has good reason to begin his survey of modern music with Strauss's Salome. Whatever else Strauss composed is beside this particular point.

> Are you familiar with Nielsen's Fifth Symphony?

Sure, but why do you ask?
by John F
Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:17 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Rest Is Noise--You VILL Enjoy This Book!!
Replies: 25
Views: 2999

Richard Strauss a "high modernist"?! "Salome," with which Ross begins his narrative in 1906, is definitely in the modernist mode and not at all like "Elgar/Mahler/Glasounov/Nielsen/Sibelius." In his younger years Strauss was well ahead of his time. That he backed off with "Der Rosenkavalier" and fe...
by John F
Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Regietheater activites: Yes or No?
Replies: 16
Views: 1958

Neither yes or no. Some operas and plays only make sense when done "in period," "Le Nozze di Figaro" for example. In others, the situation, action, and characters aren't bound to any specific time or place: "Die Zauberflöte." Whatever the stage director demands of the singer-actors and designer, it ...
by John F
Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:16 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: "An Eroica Project"
Replies: 7
Views: 1113

Some interesting stuff on that site, even if the sample, however large, is necessarily skewed by chance, historical and otherwise. Eleven recordings by Takashi Asahina? But I'm sure it's a useful resource to those who know about it. On this general subject, cf. Robert Philip, "Early Recordings and M...
by John F
Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Rest Is Noise--You VILL Enjoy This Book!!
Replies: 25
Views: 2999

High modernism = Richard Strauss, Igor Stravinsky, Arnold Schoenberg, Bela Bartok, Alban Berg, etc. etc. But you knew that.
by John F
Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Unusual conducting techniques
Replies: 38
Views: 3177

Paavo Berglund and Donald Runnicles hold the baton in their left hand. With some conductors, the performance is merely a repeat of the rehearsals, but others are more spontaneous and each performance is somewhat different. Rostropovich was like that, and Gergiev is too. All conductors I've seen cond...
by John F
Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: CMG meetup discussion - see new thread.
Replies: 65
Views: 6551

Members of the Music Forum on CompuServe (aka Netscape) often meet for dinner before going to a performance, especially in New York though we've also done it in London and other places, and it works just fine. Drop in to the CompuServe Forum center at http://member.compuserve.com/forum_center/defaul...
by John F
Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Rest Is Noise--You VILL Enjoy This Book!!
Replies: 25
Views: 2999

_The Rest Is Noise_ is original without being eccentric or polemical, at least as regards high modernism--I haven't gotten to the contemporaries yet. And it's very well written, a fast read. But yes, you can dip in to the chapter of your choice, though it may not be easy to stop.