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by barney
Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:55 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

Almost everything I've heard by Szell is excellent (if at times a bit too "frosty"). But how ironic that I don't care much for Szell's Schumann. Szell regarded him as the greatest Romantic Era composer---but he didn't let his symphonic works "breathe"; he tried to play him too "classically" for my ...
by barney
Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What would we do if we ...
Replies: 17
Views: 1422

Re: What would we do if we ...

... didn't have CMG at these late hours. As I view various threads and see who's on line, it amazes me the number of people who are on board. I often wonder, if we weren't on with CMG, what might we be doing ... watching TV, practising, reading, sleeping? How appreciative I am of the fact that we h...
by barney
Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:41 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What would we do if we ...
Replies: 17
Views: 1422

Re: What would we do if we ...

My life seemed pretty full before. I think this has replaced (and more) the time I spent following Manchester United on a couple of blogs. But this is vastly more interesting and intelligent and addictive, and I am so glad I found you all. My thanks to the hard-working moderators. I run a blog on a ...
by barney
Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Do you have a budget for classical music?
Replies: 30
Views: 1649

Re: Do you have a budget for classical music?

Corlyss_D wrote:
erato wrote:The problem is time. I try to avoid buying more than I can possibly listen to.
The problem with doing that is that you don't get things while they are available and then when you do want them, they are NLA.
Mmmm. That's also an excellent point.
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Oh No, not Again
Replies: 22
Views: 1192

Re: Oh No, not Again

But any fool can offer a "new interpretation." I just get so weary of these types who seem to be able to make their name/careers by "rethinking" the music. This is usually done by highlighting one or another aspect of the music at the expense of the grander musical vision that has been so wonderful...
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Do you have a budget for classical music?
Replies: 30
Views: 1649

Re: Do you have a budget for classical music?

erato wrote:The problem is time. I try to avoid buying more than I can possibly listen to.
That's an excellent point, one that bothers me from time to time. At what point does the quest for completeness (however defined) become sheer self-indulgence?
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Oh No, not Again
Replies: 22
Views: 1192

Re: Oh No, not Again

Corlyss_D wrote:Gardiner! I wouldn't buy or even listen to anything he did after 1800.

That's everything he did, Corlyss, unless he's 208 years old. :D

oops sorry, see absinthe made the same joke and much better. should have read down before hitting "quote".
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What work have you most versions of?
Replies: 154
Views: 20873

Re: What work have you most versions of?

I couldn't face the daunting task of cataloging a collection that is in every room of my house, my office AND the trunk of my car. :) I have many sets of Beethoven and Mahler symphonies as well as single performances of all the symphonies. I suspect Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Schubert or Mahler would...
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:37 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!
Replies: 18
Views: 1056

Re: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!

"According to Professor North, both heavy metal and classical fans are united by a shared "love of the grandiose", which means that a Metallica fan is far more likely to listen to Mahler than an indie kid is to give reggae a try. Very interesting. My young lad likes Metallica and he will listen to ...
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Do you have a budget for classical music?
Replies: 30
Views: 1649

Re: Do you have a budget for classical music?

I am just not in the class of some of you, especially Lance. About 2600 CDs, 1000 LPs. But we are a one-income family with 4 children. A lot of my CD collection has come free from doing reviews, and much of the rest has come from continually haunting second hand places. But there has still been cons...
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Help needed - identifying a wedding piece
Replies: 9
Views: 881

Re: Help needed - identifying a wedding piece

I don't know the work but it sounds like it could be Handel to me. He wrote a bit for organ and trumpet.
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!
Replies: 18
Views: 1056

Re: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!

I replied to Corlyss's question this morning, and thought I saw it appear; now it's gone. Anyone advise me what might have happened? Anyway, in strine wukka + worry. No wukkas = no worries. For those want to come to Australia, let stalk strine (let's Talk Australian) is a very valuable tome. Don't ...
by barney
Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What work have you most versions of?
Replies: 154
Views: 20873

Re: What work have you most versions of?

I enjoy the Sawallisch recording, and I can see why it is often listed as the 'reference' recording for the work. Barenboim I find to be a little bit too cartoonish for my tastes. Now, Ken---you just KNEW I had to come back and ask---how can a conductor sound "too cartoonish"?! :? Jack, it's hard t...
by barney
Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!
Replies: 18
Views: 1056

Re: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!

I replied to Corlyss's question this morning, and thought I saw it appear; now it's gone. Anyone advise me what might have happened? Anyway, in strine wukka + worry. No wukkas = no worries. For those want to come to Australia, let stalk strine (let's Talk Australian) is a very valuable tome. Don't r...
by barney
Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

consider Szell the greatest conductor who ever lived, despite his numerous faults. I own a 7 CD limited edition memorial set of Szell's work (the last disc is interviews, 6 of music) put out by the Cleveland Orchestra. In the booklet, his wife tells how truly obsessive Szell was: she liked to causa...
by barney
Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions: Prokofiev Peter and the Wolf w/J. du Pré
Replies: 6
Views: 825

Re: Opinions: Prokofiev Peter and the Wolf w/J. du Pré

I've got IPO, Mehta, Perlman narrating and the Labeque sisters. It's ok. Not nearly as good as the very traditional version I had as a child, no gimmicks or big egos, which I really loved but can no longer recall. That was all about Prokofiev... and kids.
by barney
Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

Sylph wrote:
barney wrote: I'm glad you clarified that :D You obviously mean the CSO Chicago. Err, unless you mean the CSO Cleveland.
Wait a minute, barney: I was quite clear the first time! :P Chicago is CSO because it has "symphony" in its title, while Cleveland is only CO! 8)
Ah, of course. crystal. :D
by barney
Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:28 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!
Replies: 18
Views: 1056

Re: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!

This would tend to explain the number of members here who profess no interest in classical music at all but think it appropriate to post on a site called the "Classical Music Guide." I've never read any poster say he/she has no interest in classical music. To the contrary, it's like coming home. Of...
by barney
Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

these lists are always very subjective. however, no reasonable top 5 or top 10 list would exclude the Chicago SO, for years and years at the very top. Couldnt agree more. When it comes to miraculous orchestral playing, I think Chicago and Cleveland. For excitement and virtuosity, Chicago; for refin...
by barney
Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!
Replies: 18
Views: 1056

Re: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!

This would tend to explain the number of members here who profess no interest in classical music at all but think it appropriate to post on a site called the "Classical Music Guide." I've never read any poster say he/she has no interest in classical music. To the contrary, it's like coming home. Of...
by barney
Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:54 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: GREATEST BRUCKNER 5?
Replies: 32
Views: 7550

Re: GREATEST BRUCKNER 5?

Nobody mentioned Karajan. I was thinking of getting his complete Bruckner symphonies. Not a good idea? I mentioned him as one of my top picks for this symphony. But as far as getting the entire cycle, I'm not sure I'd recommend it. Aside from that fifth, most of his best Bruckner on record is not a...
by barney
Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:45 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

Both of you are right. Guest conductors ARE absolutely necessary, and orchestras and audiences often love them, but (especially for not so established orchestras) nothing beats a sustained and shared vision under the guidance of one conductor over time.
by barney
Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!
Replies: 18
Views: 1056

Re: Politics Aside, We Have a Lot in Common!

Just a typical mild and inoffensive contribution from me, but people who like rap are mentally deranged. High self esteem? It's the high self-esteem of people who think they are Napoleon or Jesus, and they should be kindly and carefully confined where they can do themselves and others no harm, eg by...
by barney
Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What work have you most versions of?
Replies: 154
Views: 20873

Re: What work have you most versions of?

I haven't reached the point in my life when I begin to collect different recordings of my favorite pieces. That being said, I'd guess that the most I have of any one piece would be either a Beethoven symphony or piano sonata...and I'd guess that I have 3 recordings...maximum. -G From your opening s...
by barney
Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:42 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor
Replies: 62
Views: 4854

Re: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor

I haven't endorsed everything Bush does by any means, but I don't blame him for the Indian slaughter, or for the Georgia-Russia mini-war. That requires some pretty elastic thinking. What it requires is basically an ignorance of history and a lack of critical thinking. But those two characteristics ...
by barney
Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor
Replies: 62
Views: 4854

Re: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor

I wouldn´t believe that Bushist piece of **** Economist for a second. I find it especially disturbing that a representative of the nation responsible for the most complete genocide (the near total annihilation of Indians during which the magnificent "beacon of hope" and "protector of democracy" sla...
by barney
Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: NEW: Gergiev—20 Years (Live), Rotterdam Philharmonic, 4 CDs
Replies: 3
Views: 978

Re: NEW: Gergiev—20 Years (Live), Rotterdam Philharmonic, 4 CDs

Well, I won't be buying it, Lance. Or reviewing it. Iwill be maintaining my rage (a famous expression in Australia, going back to prime minister Whitlam), for a few weeks yet.
by barney
Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:31 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Teachout on Lotte Lehmann
Replies: 9
Views: 895

Re: Teachout on Lotte Lehmann

Beyond the making of art, what can we or should we expect from great artists? In particular, do their gifts excuse them from the ordinary ethical responsibilities of other human beings? Or should they be held to generally accepted standards of conduct—if not higher ones? Even if we wanted to, how c...
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:17 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: GREATEST BRUCKNER 5?
Replies: 32
Views: 7550

Re: GREATEST BRUCKNER 5?

Nobody mentioned Karajan. I was thinking of getting his complete Bruckner symphonies. Not a good idea?
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

Seems to me it's largely about consistency of excellence over time. Dozens of orchestras can sound wonderful on any given day. The BPO, VPO, LSO have achieved it over a century or more of generally excellent standards. That's why they are on everyone's list.
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:31 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Renee Fleming Sings Richard Strauss 'Four Last Songs'
Replies: 37
Views: 3221

Re: Renee Fleming Sings Richard Strauss 'Four Last Songs'

Fair enough, that's pretty much what my Strauss-loving friend felt too. Ponderous is a good word; I expect you'd find this account rather similar. I feel she holds it together, my friend didn't. We played Schwarzkopf straight after; most interesting.
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

jbuck919 wrote:
(Having said all that, the ability to consider modern repertoire almost as routine as traditional and play it comfortably, regularly, and well must count for something, in which case the Boston Symphony has to be in there somewhere.)
And me. I can play Chopsticks.
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The Top Five Orchestras in the World
Replies: 52
Views: 4398

Re: The Top Five Orchestras in the World

What predictable lists! All based on historical reputation and sycophantic music journalists. Now it could never be said that I'm a sycophantic Melbourne music journalist, but here's the REAL top 7: Melbourne Symphony Orchestra Orchestra Victoria Melbourne Chamber Orchestra Australian National Acade...
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:49 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor
Replies: 62
Views: 4854

Re: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor

But even if Lotte Lehmann herself should not continue to be so highly regarded in the 21st century as she was in the 20th, Never Sang for Hitler will remain valuable as a cautionary tale, not merely for artists who make the mistake of thinking themselves above the common run but also for anyone who ...
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:46 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Teachout on Lotte Lehmann
Replies: 9
Views: 895

Re: Teachout on Lotte Lehmann

Fascinating, and many thanks. Guess what para I'm extracting to quote on another thread. You got it: the last, on the Gergiev.
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Renee Fleming Sings Richard Strauss 'Four Last Songs'
Replies: 37
Views: 3221

Re: Renee Fleming Sings Richard Strauss 'Four Last Songs'

Come on friends and fellow Strauss-lovers. Someone else must have heard Fleming by now...
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:33 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor
Replies: 62
Views: 4854

Re: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor

So I'm not talking about the two annexed provinces; I'm talking about one human being I used to admire and now despise. Alas, it's impossible to separate the two issues, really. Gergiev's behavior has to be seen thru the lens of the underlying conflict, just like that jackass Zimerman's does. These...
by barney
Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:25 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor
Replies: 62
Views: 4854

Re: Goodbye Gergiev, you contemptible conductor

The Caucasus is an ancient and fascinating region; I have been fascinated by its history, cultures and languages for many years, and have read a lot about it. This area is a tinderbox of ethnic conflicts and been so since the beginning. SNIP So let's give Gergiev the benefit of the doubt. Gergiev m...
by barney
Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

The similar service for the iPhone is iTunes. Aye. I would save it, thusly having a way to call the fire department and select from much of my collection of string quartet recordings (all of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Bartok, etc...) while watching the proceedings from the curb. Oh and also find my ...
by barney
Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A Love Affair with Australia!
Replies: 27
Views: 3325

Re: A Love Affair with Australia!

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by barney
Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A Love Affair with Australia!
Replies: 27
Views: 3325

Re: A Love Affair with Australia!

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by barney
Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:04 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

you pay the Zune site a subscription fee of $15/mo and you basically rent the music - meaning you cannot burn it to CD and the music expires with the subscription if you let it lapse (but you can re-up and then download it again) Many thanks for this. It becomes slightly less attractive if I can't ...
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:31 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Canada: major producer of classical musicians
Replies: 15
Views: 1248

Re: Canada: major producer of classical musicians

Yes, I'd actually heard of a couple. Well done, doughty Canada!

(Just kidding. Actually I was a bit surprised - quite a list. I knew about 30 of them)
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: A Love Affair with Australia!
Replies: 27
Views: 3325

Re: A Love Affair with Australia!

There are australian composers incorporating clearly aboriginal "folk"music in classical music :?: Certainly. Queensland composer Sean O'Boyle has just recorded his attractive didgeridoo concerto with virtuoso Aboriginal didgeridoo player William Barton (published by ABC), along with his River symp...
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

you pay the Zune site a subscription fee of $15/mo and you basically rent the music - meaning you cannot burn it to CD and the music expires with the subscription if you let it lapse (but you can re-up and then download it again) Many thanks for this. It becomes slightly less attractive if I can't ...
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

I use mine mostly for philosophy podcasts. :shock: You poor thing! Thanks Corlyss. I often feel I simply don't get enough sympathy and TLC. Obviously CMF provides that along with so much else! Barney, I have noted how in case of conflagration you will always have your philosophy podcasts. Thus you'...
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:55 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Chopin Preludes Listening Comparison - updated 09/02
Replies: 33
Views: 2664

Re: Chopin Preludes Listening Comparison

I'll let this run until maybe Wednesday or Thursday before I corroborate any guesses. It does take a little time to do (maybe 10-15 minutes) so I don't know how many will get in on this. Plus it's a long weekend. I appreciate the responses so far. I think the comparison is tough because these are a...
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:30 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

Corlyss_D wrote:
barney wrote: I use mine mostly for philosophy podcasts.
:shock: You poor thing!
Thanks Corlyss. I often feel I simply don't get enough sympathy and TLC. Obviously CMF provides that along with so much else!
by barney
Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

I would just grab my 30 gig mp3 player I'm new to ipods (just got an apple iphone so that I could have an ipod and because work pays for it). Tremendously handy, obviously, but I use mine mostly for philosophy podcasts. For music, it lacks presence. Obviously they come into their own particularly i...
by barney
Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:37 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .
Replies: 67
Views: 5661

Re: If the house were burning and you could save only one . . .

I would just grab my 30 gig mp3 player I'm new to ipods (just got an apple iphone so that I could have an ipod and because work pays for it). Tremendously handy, obviously, but I use mine mostly for philosophy podcasts. For music, it lacks presence. Obviously they come into their own particularly i...