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by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:44 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Fluff I have known and loved
Replies: 22
Views: 6266

Fluff I enjoy: Mozart's early divertimenti and Beethoven's string trios and serenades. The secondary works of composers whose firm masterpieces begin at a certain dividing point can indeed be great fluff. Also the secondary works of the baroque period--Vivaldi, Telemann, etc., though I know Corlyss...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:42 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Real Names vs. False Names
Replies: 56
Views: 20597

lmpower wrote:Israel Baline became Irving Berlin. Jacob Gershowitz became George Gershwin.
And Cole Porter became Cole Porter. What was wrong with him, anyway?
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:50 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: I'm Not Cathoic, but .....
Replies: 50
Views: 14957

"his outlook was that certain behaviors were evil, not that the people who engaged in them were evil." You mean like the Nazis in World War II? These distinctions are meaningless Thomistic sophistry. I would much rather he confront those of us who use condoms, practice birth control, try to confron...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:23 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Real Names vs. False Names
Replies: 56
Views: 20597

I believe Jean-Paul II is a pseudonym of some sort. The custom of a pope taking a new name dates back to the first millenium (forgive me for forgetting the exact century) when someone named Mercurius was elected pope. Thinking this was slightly too pagan a name, he became John II. The name-change s...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:10 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: For Corlyss and other very lazy cooks...
Replies: 29
Views: 9425

I have been enjoying Nigel's posts. He makes the point, without directly saying so, that the wondrous French style of eating has nothing to do with being fancy but everything to do with making eating times special and good food a fun part of it. You can do this anywhere in the world. In Germany, not...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Zounds! First Ward Churchill and Now This!!
Replies: 5
Views: 2637

Funny. When I was at Princeton more than 30 years ago there was a student, also named Horwitz, who made a huge stink about there being a quota on the number of Jewish students admitted. I don't know exactly how that fits in here, but I report it for what it is worth.
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:08 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: I'm Not Cathoic, but .....
Replies: 50
Views: 14957

Stubborn, misguided, uninformed, dogmatic and just plain WRONG, would be how I would describe him. Agreed. The scary thing is that he was just doing his job. Those who think that the pope (or the papacy going back to Paul VI) was benighted (as indeed it has been) should consider that there is pull ...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: So what do you wonder about the conclave?
Replies: 13
Views: 4663

Re: So what do you wonder about the conclave?

Referring back to Corlyss' post, I have never heard the term "Curia packing." The Curia refers to the church government based in Vatican City and usually as a matter of course includes one US cardinal. You're right. I should have said College Packing. What's the Curia to the College? A committee of...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:42 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: If you thought you had enough religion
Replies: 22
Views: 6298

They're dropping like flies! Of course we nations represeting the ascendancy of the colorless and fungible bourgeoise would go ga-ga over princes and popes. Think of the pagentry! The splendor of it all! We only get that when they assassinate a president, and even I don't want someone to shoot Bush.
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:40 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: So what do you wonder about the conclave?
Replies: 13
Views: 4663

Re: So what do you wonder about the conclave?

I don't think it was the pope who, I suspect, had a lot of trouble believing the issue could be that broad (that some priests were perverts wouldn't have surprised him-that the Church was a Club Med for those guys did). That is pretty much how I would have responded had you not gotten there first. ...
by jbuck919
Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:26 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: The inspiring Prince of Wales and Ms Parker-Bowles
Replies: 2
Views: 1865

Corlyss_D wrote:I bet they are just as glad the Pope's moved the spotlight off them.
Perhaps his first miracle on the road to canonization.
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:38 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: So what do you wonder about the conclave?
Replies: 13
Views: 4663

Ralph wrote:I'd like to know about the catering.
A certain minimum of cooks are allowed into the enclosure, as are a certain minimum of housekeepers. Think Mother Theresa.

I have to think that the Cardinals will dine spectacularly well in the Italian fashion, with wine to boot.
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:32 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: I'm Not Cathoic, but .....
Replies: 50
Views: 14957

OK, I'm not Catholic and I'm also not a very good typist. Well, don't worry about the latter, or the former for that matter. All the popes since the Counter-Reformation, without exception, have been men of stature with admirable qualities. This includes men like Pius VII who was literally thrown in...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:21 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Speaking of ORGANISTS ... jbuck919???
Replies: 10
Views: 4107

Ah yes, point well taken. Might another factor be that the organ is not a portable instrument, or that relatively few major composers in the 19th and 20th Centuries were employed by churches? This is hard to say. Bach's greatest organ works, virually his entire repertory in fact, consist of concert...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: So what do you wonder about the conclave?
Replies: 13
Views: 4663

So what do you wonder about the conclave?

I wonder whether the cardinals from Washington and Baltimore (neither of which cities deserves a cardinalate in terms of Catholic population, though I know there are other considerations) are simply booking economy class flights on the next plane out. (Each cardinal is allowed to bring a conclavist,...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:28 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Why wasn't I on the list?
Replies: 3
Views: 1886

I guess I'm a little surprised. I thought he'd rally, bounce back and have another decade or so as pontiff. I wonder if there's any malpractice here? Taking that sentiment seriously (and I know that Ralph is capable of irony but not cruel sarcasm), he died at what was for him his home surrounded by...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:55 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Why wasn't I on the list?
Replies: 3
Views: 1886

Why wasn't I on the list?

The modern way of getting the scoop: Vatican Says Pope John Paul II Dies at 84 5 minutes ago Europe - AP By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-tra...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:32 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Real Names vs. False Names
Replies: 56
Views: 20597

GK wrote:Reuben Ticker became Richard Tucker
Now that we know that, does anyone care to guess who Moishe Miller was? (Our New Yorkers will know this.)
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:42 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: No, this isn't good.
Replies: 10
Views: 3817

The did this in Tombstone, Arizona? Are you sure this is not an April fool's joke?
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:33 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Anyone know what happened to ...
Replies: 27
Views: 8556

I'm not sure you're following me. As I remember, it was established at the time I brought this up that disinterested had long meant the same as uninterested and that the insistence on the distinction was relatively modern and thus relatively misguided. "L'usage est le roi des langues." I dare say I...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:24 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Anyone know what happened to ...
Replies: 27
Views: 8556

npwparis wrote:Ralph will survive. He's a New Yorker and a lawyer.
You flunked the test. Ralpholatry wins over insistence on correct usage. I will never be "disinterested" in the latter.
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:14 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Real Names vs. False Names
Replies: 56
Views: 20597

It's taken me hours to think of this, but Alessandra Marc is a completely fabricated name. I only know about this because she is Baltimore/Washington local and they talked about her like a local girl on the radio. Maybe Corlyss or one of our other DC/Balto members will remember her real name.
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:09 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Anyone know what happened to ...
Replies: 27
Views: 8556

I made a point, did I? I thought I discovered in the end that disinterested had a chequered history with both meanings. Ralph wouldn't misuse a word. The point I was referring to was that American usage considers this correct. You said it, not I. Ralph locutus, causa finita. What a burden to lay on...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:52 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Well, he doesn't require senate confirmation
Replies: 0
Views: 1325

Well, he doesn't require senate confirmation

Pope Losing Consciousness, but Not in Coma By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II showed the first signs of losing consciousness at dawn on Saturday, the Vatican said, as priests around the world prepared the Roman Catholic faithful for his passing. ... For a ...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:10 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Speaking of ORGANISTS ... jbuck919???
Replies: 10
Views: 4107

You have sort of challenged me to run down the list, Dave. Sometimes I wonder whether the extremely high quality of Bach's organ music has scared some composers away from the instrument. This does not ring true. Bach's organ works were unknown to Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven (as incredible as that ma...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:47 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Anyone know what happened to ...
Replies: 27
Views: 8556

Ralph wrote: Perhaps he's just too busy. Or
disinterested

Nigel look, your point made!
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:15 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Phot ID's to vote
Replies: 10
Views: 3760

Ralph's assessment is what my instincts would have told me, but partisan politics is so convoluted and subtle that one assumes there is a substantive, non-arbitrary reason behind a party taking a stand and that the other party is not simply knee-jerk reacting to avoid agreeing. One might have though...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:58 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: If you thought you had enough religion
Replies: 22
Views: 6298

Ralph wrote:Prince Albert has his own serious health issues right now.
What might they be, Ralph? I have heard nothing about them. There is nothing in online sources that I can find.
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:32 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: If you thought you had enough religion
Replies: 22
Views: 6298

In France at the moment we see the news programmes on the state-owned TV of this lay republic torn between the death of a pope and that of Prince Rainier. I think they should do tradesies. Historically, papal elections have been held all over the place, including sometimes outside Rome. I think the...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:51 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Speaking of ORGANISTS ... jbuck919???
Replies: 10
Views: 4107

I'm afraid my organ CD collection is a mixed jumble that doesn't include either name you mention. I have a lot of older stuff (including LPs) and many CDs that are souvenirs from my visits to churches here with fine organs. Christopher Herrick's complete Bach has been on my wish list for a long time...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:37 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Only 2 days to Daylight Savings Time
Replies: 2
Views: 1719

Europe picked it up last weekend. Of course, the higher latitudes exaggerate the lengthening and shortening of days, so it is already light here from quite early to relatively late, even compared to New York.
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:21 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Fluff I have known and loved
Replies: 22
Views: 6266

I've always had a spot in my heart for Leroy Anderson's short orchestral pieces, though I can't listen to too many at one time. The Jazz Legato is a favorite, and it's never Christmas without Sleigh Ride. I didn't know until this year that, like Carter and Bernstein, Anderson studied at Harvard und...
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:15 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Real Names vs. False Names
Replies: 56
Views: 20597

Wasn't Leopold Stokowski just Leo Stokes?

For some reason Stephen Bishop decided to become Stephen Bishop-Kovacevich.

I've always wondered about Frederica von Stade's conveniently European name, or at least the German way she pronounces it (not that I mind).

And wasn't Beverly Sills born Silverman?
by jbuck919
Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:50 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: A Great Man Died Today
Replies: 4
Views: 2381

I always had the nagging notion that he was in Texas (more room for the chickens, more room for the nose) and never quite grasped that he was just over on the Eastern Shore.
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:42 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: If you thought you had enough religion
Replies: 22
Views: 6298

I don't see what there is to get excited about. Popes are, as I've already said elsewhere, like buses: there's another one behind. The same is true of all systems set up for orderly succession. Would you expect citizens of the UK not to express a certain interst in the next general election because...
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:33 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: If you thought you had enough religion
Replies: 22
Views: 6298

I'm sorry. Though I am many decades removed from it, as an old Catholic boy who knows the ropes I can't help being fascinated by the process. It's a terrible thing to say when a sick old man's death is what gets it started, but a conclave is always fun, and we haven't had one in 26 years. Some of us...
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:49 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Elgar and the joys of the world-wide-web
Replies: 6
Views: 2905

You mean that has actually been performed at concerts ? Oh well, I suppose sometimes an orchestra will need a filler piece. I have heard in concert. Ususally with a bunch of the others P&C marches that nobody ever hears. I was being facetious. I have never been able to reconcile the Elgar who appar...
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:56 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Oops
Replies: 5
Views: 2321

:lol: :lol:

Now that the pope has left us, I wonder if anyone will be looking to interview Thomas Merton, Dorothy Day, or Jacques Maritain.
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:43 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Elgar and the joys of the world-wide-web
Replies: 6
Views: 2905

The internet is wonderful, and a few months ago it answered this little mystery for me. It's fun to learn how some traditions began. I had always wondered how this very English composer became part of an American tradition. The Elgar Society: Elgar - His Music: Pomp and Circumstance: Why Americans ...
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:16 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Fluff I have known and loved
Replies: 22
Views: 6266

Oh now here is a great topic. Over on the other board there is a discussion going on about musicals, and with my usual impeccable taste I am having trouble getting other posters to understand that something happened in the 1960s that ended fluff and started junk. I can certainly endorse J. Strauss (...
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:06 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: The relentless campaign to suppress science
Replies: 51
Views: 11966

Corlyss_D wrote:
Barry Z wrote:I'd love your support for pushing to keep country music and NASCAR below the Mason-Dixon line :).
Can someone explain to me how NASCAR got to be America's Pastime? What is so damn fascinating about people running around in a circle?
Actually, I believe they use automobiles.
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: The relentless campaign to suppress science
Replies: 51
Views: 11966

A.LaPorta wrote:This may constitute a limitation to the scope of science....
Vive la limitation.
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:35 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Phot ID's to vote
Replies: 10
Views: 3760

My Granny has congestive heart failure and is confined to a wheel chair. She can only stand up for a few seconds, she's nearly blind now and extremely hard of hearing. She doen't follow the news anymore and is incapable of voting, photo ID or no photo ID. My sympathies, and I didn't mean to be flip...
by jbuck919
Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:55 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Phot ID's to vote
Replies: 10
Views: 3760

Yes, there is. You can go to the same place where you get a driver's license and get a photo ID which does not constitute being a licensed driver. It's very easy and I was about to take my Granny there after she moved to Georgia, but instead she ended up in a nursing home where she didn't need the ...
by jbuck919
Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:51 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Toccata and Fugue orchestral opinions?
Replies: 7
Views: 3119

Re: Toccata and Fugue orchestral opinions?

aircanuck wrote:Even if you want to chime in that the only real version is done with an organ :) l
OK. Chiming in.
by jbuck919
Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:24 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: The relentless campaign to suppress science
Replies: 51
Views: 11966

There is no such thing as a "Darwinist" in the sense you imply... That was my initial thought as well........."What the hell is a hardcore Darwinist?" I suppose it's someone who refuses to reject the moutains of hard evidence that have been and continue to be examined by scientists in favor of reli...
by jbuck919
Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:09 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: The relentless campaign to suppress science
Replies: 51
Views: 11966

Just underscores the fact that both hard core Darwinists and Biblical Literalists are not only both close minded and way behind the times but haven't a clue as to what's happening in their respective philosophical fields. Serious studies in the areas of philosophy of science and philosophy of relig...
by jbuck919
Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:25 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Critical analysis of their own parties
Replies: 4
Views: 2996

FIVE months after the presidential election Democrats are still pointing fingers at one another and trying to figure out why Republicans won. Was the problem the party's position on social issues or taxes or defense or what? Were there tactical errors made in the conduct of the campaign? Were the r...
by jbuck919
Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:16 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: Critical analysis of their own parties
Replies: 4
Views: 2996

Re: Critical analysis of their own parties

By a series of recent initiatives, Republicans have transformed our party into the political arm of conservative Christians. Excuse, me, a "series of recent initiatives"? I don't think that a movement going back to 1980 and the election of a president who was happy to have on his coattails any supp...
by jbuck919
Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:39 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: For Corlyss and other very lazy cooks...
Replies: 29
Views: 9425

Now, just in case: if you can get hold of sardo cheese – a pungent Sardinian one – that’s even better than parmesan. Sardo is a pecorino--a sheep's milk cheese. Even a pecorino romano, commonly found in the US, would be slightly more authentic. Marcella Hazan, as a I recall, uses a combination (she...