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Agnes Selby
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Post by Agnes Selby » Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:48 pm

I have been informed by my friend, Timo Jouko Herrmann that his research into Salieri's works is coming to fruition and a CD with the Heidelberg Symphonic Orchestra, conducted by Thomas Fey, will be released in February 2008.

The program will consist of overtures, ballets and stage music by Salieri:

Daliso e Delmita (1776)
1) Overture
2) Intrada - Lotta

Pafio Mirra (1778)

Ballet for "L'Europe riconosciuta

"Der Ruachfangkehrer (1781)
Overture

"Les Danaides" (1784)
Overture

"Les Horaces" (1784)

"Tartare" (1787).

The recognition of Salieri's contribution to music is long overdue.

Regards,
Agnes.

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Post by Lance » Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:59 pm

Agnes, this is splendid news, indeed! I just did a CD check of my own library and have around 13 discs with Salieri's music thereon; there are some LPs, as well. In comparison to the number of discs I have with Mozart's music ... well, I hesitate to even mention. Salieri constitutes a very tiny fraction! On the other hand, his output was not nearly as voluminous. There is always a need for more of Salieri's music. I will be looking forward to acquiring this recording. Thank you for sharing the announcement. I'll wait it out a year!
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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:02 pm

I think I've been around this block before, but while in general I am grateful that history makes its judgments so we don't have to, I've heard two things by Salieri--sort of. One was the opera finale from Amadeus and if that is really the finale of a Salieri opera it bears no significant difference from the finale to the Magic Flute, the qualification being needed of course that the greatest art would not necessarily be lavished on a few rousing measures at the very end of such a work. The second thing I heard was the slow movement of a piano concerto which was quite nice indeed but bore an uncanny resemblance to the famous "Elvira Madigan" movement. It was beyond coincidence, so either it inspired Mozart or Mozart inspired it.

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Post by Agnes Selby » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:25 pm

jbuck919 wrote:I think I've been around this block before, but while in general I am grateful that history makes its judgments so we don't have to, I've heard two things by Salieri--sort of. One was the opera finale from Amadeus and if that is really the finale of a Salieri opera it bears no significant difference from the finale to the Magic Flute, the qualification being needed of course that the greatest art would not necessarily be lavished on a few rousing measures at the very end of such a work. The second thing I heard was the slow movement of a piano concerto which was quite nice indeed but bore an uncanny resemblance to the famous "Elvira Madigan" movement. It was beyond coincidence, so either it inspired Mozart or Mozart inspired it.
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Dear John, Let's just say, he was no Mozart but then who was?

When "Amadeus" came out, the then Concerto Soloists of Philadelphia
(now they have a different name) performed a very nice work by Salieri as well as works by Mozart. Although Salieri suffered by comparison, I did enjoy his music. I only wish I could remember the program as the event took place 20 years ago. I do not want to close my mind to Salieri's music. With so many recordings on the market that do not compare with Salieri's works, I am grateful to Timo for his untiring work. Timo has performed a number of Salieri's works with his orchestra and his audience has asked for more. In any case, no man of Salieri's stature should lie in his grave with one reputation only, that he "murdered" Mozart.

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Post by Agnes Selby » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:28 pm

Dear Lance,

I hate to admit it, but I do not possess a single Salieri recording.

I will certainly avail myself of this one.

Regards,
Agnes.

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Post by Werner » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:07 pm

You are not alone, Agnes - but my collection does show a mention of the Salieri name - variations on a Salieri theme, recorded by Walter Gieseking. Not exactly a current recording.

P.S.I forgot to mention the Variations' composer's name - none other than Mozart. Thought you'd like to know.
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Post by Niki » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:48 pm

I bought Cecilia Bartoli's "Salieri album" a few years ago and I found the music remarkably good. I recommend it.
Salieri is no Mozart and,as Agnes mentioned - who is?! However he composed some very good music and Cecilia's album is excellent.
I learned to enjoy Cecilia despite the fact that her manerism can be quite annoying at times. She does go overboard "pushing" the sound and the overly dramatic style borders hysteria at times.
I understand she takes the populist road in order to sell her product to a wider audience, but she knows how to deliver a great interpretation and she is one of the best.

BTW, her Salieri album sells for about $4 at amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_m/104 ... 11&Go.y=10

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Post by Febnyc » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:40 pm

Heartily agree with the foregoing post of Niki's.

I own one Salieri disc - of Overtures - and they are very good. Very poor performances, however, so perhaps these works are better even than I know!

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Post by ginosec » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:03 pm

I've yet to delve into any of Salieri's music, are there any good recordings of his music? I have seen "The Salieri Album" at my local store, but I think that's the only one I have seen.

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Post by ch1525 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:47 pm

The following recording is an excellent place to start delving into Salieri (it's how I did after watching Amadeus).

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000 ... B">Salieri: The 2 Piano Concertos</a>

This is a great recording of the Piano Concertos as well as one of my favorite works, Variations for orchestra on "La follia di spagna". It also includes two Overtures from Les Horaces and Semiramide.

After listening to this, you will realize that Salieri really was no mediocre composer. Also, you will probably be able to realize that Salieri had plenty of influence on later composers.

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Re: Salieri

Post by Ralph » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:41 am

Agnes Selby wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:I think I've been around this block before, but while in general I am grateful that history makes its judgments so we don't have to, I've heard two things by Salieri--sort of. One was the opera finale from Amadeus and if that is really the finale of a Salieri opera it bears no significant difference from the finale to the Magic Flute, the qualification being needed of course that the greatest art would not necessarily be lavished on a few rousing measures at the very end of such a work. The second thing I heard was the slow movement of a piano concerto which was quite nice indeed but bore an uncanny resemblance to the famous "Elvira Madigan" movement. It was beyond coincidence, so either it inspired Mozart or Mozart inspired it.
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Post by John F » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:54 pm

<< the opera finale from Amadeus >>

The opera is Salieri's "Axur, Re d'Ormus," which Salieri and Lorenzo da Ponte arranged for Vienna in Italian from "Tarare," Salieri's big success in Paris (with a libretto by Beaumarchais himself).
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Post by johnQpublic » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:21 pm

I'll never forget the bad/good old days at Classical Insights when Mr. J Lilly (now posting on a rival site) pooh-poohed my experiment's results of Salieri vs Mozart. See if you pooh-pooh it too.

For three different music appreciation classes I chose the slow movement of a Salieri wind serenade and the slow movement of Mozart's Wind Serenade #11 in E-flat (both are for 6 winds). Both discs could not be read/identified by the students. I played the first minute of both only telling them that one of the two will be Mozart & the other by Salieri.

I asked them to tell me which selection was a better quality piece of music. In all 3 classes over 80% agreed that one particular one was of better quality & that selection was the Mozart!

General public students; no musical training for most and still they could tell.
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