[COMM] (Classical music CD catalog software): Magnificat

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[COMM] (Classical music CD catalog software): Magnificat

Post by Magnificat » Sun May 27, 2007 11:22 am

Collectorslab informs that the new version comes fully revisited and
with many new features. Now you may:

- Download all disc information from Internet.
- Download the composers worklists from Internet.
- Share the catalogs of the composers with other people.

and much more.

Magnificat Classical Collector Suite is not only an archive for our
collection of recordings, but it is also a new, modern way to conceive
data cataloguing, exclusively devoted to classical music.

If desidered, you can download the current version at:

http://www.collectorslab.com


Thanks for the attention and the hospitality
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Post by Chalkperson » Sun May 27, 2007 3:45 pm

If desidered, you can download the current version at:

http://www.collectorslab.com
But NOT if you own a Mac...oh well, back to I-Tunes I go... :cry:

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Re: [COMM] (Classical music CD catalog software): Magnificat

Post by TheFlayinDutchmn » Sun May 27, 2007 6:47 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
If desidered, you can download the current version at:

http://www.collectorslab.com
But NOT if you own a Mac...oh well, back to I-Tunes I go... :cry:

hehehehhehe...
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Post by slofstra » Sun May 27, 2007 6:49 pm

Magnificat,

How 'open' is the catalog that is stored locally on your PC? Do you provide any of: a) an import from CSV, b) an API with update capability, c) an open filesystem such as MS Access?

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Post by TheFlayinDutchmn » Sun May 27, 2007 7:07 pm

Tentatively, this looks really good, but can I use it to manage a library of mp3’s?

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Post by Magnificat » Mon May 28, 2007 3:27 am

>How 'open' is the catalog that is stored locally on your PC? Do you >provide any of:
>a) an import from CSV
>b) an API with update capability
>c) an open filesystem such as MS Access?

The software have a very powerful tool for the import: take a look at the *File import* tool.
An opened database it does not resolve all the problems. Each database have his particular structure.
To this purpose, the software can export all its data into html tables (which can be accessed in many ways).

>can I use it to manage a library of mp3’s?
Obviously, this is not the mission of the program. Anyway, you may associate your mp3 files with the cards as *Media files*.

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Post by ch1525 » Tue May 29, 2007 9:54 am

Wow, I must say, this program has come along way since I checked it out when it was first released.


I was wondering if there was a way to get a total from the price field of all the recordings that are entered. Also, is there a way to periodically refresh the price of the recordings?

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Post by TheFlayinDutchmn » Tue May 29, 2007 2:16 pm

>can I use it to manage a library of mp3’s?
Obviously, this is not the mission of the program. Anyway, you may associate your mp3 files with the cards as *Media files*.
Ah, wish it was open so such things could be added. back to VC++...

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Re: [COMM] (Classical music CD catalog software): Magnificat

Post by keaggy220 » Tue May 29, 2007 6:43 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
If desidered, you can download the current version at:

http://www.collectorslab.com
But NOT if you own a Mac...oh well, back to I-Tunes I go... :cry:
I'm a Mac user too. Check out http://www.delicious-monster.com/.

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Post by RebLem » Thu May 31, 2007 3:20 am

I have downloaded the trial version, and am not really quite sure how to work the program. I have put some composers into the database using both the ready made internal list, and, in a couple cases, added composers unknown to the database. I added a few performers, too. I noticed that when I tried to add a performer who was already in the database as a composer, it would not let me add him tgo the performer database--it told me he was already in the system. I am not quite sure hoiw to operate the custom entries. There is no database for ensembles, for example, and it is unclear how to add it.

What I would suggest is that you take a couple of specific records--preferrably multi-composer records--perhaps a 3 CD set of works by different composers, and go through it, showing how to see to it that all the relevant information is added to the system, and the issue completely catalogued so that it can appear on any report one might want to request.
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Post by Magnificat » Thu May 31, 2007 8:42 am

I was wondering if there was a way to get a total from the price field of all the recordings that are entered
It can be a good idea for a next update.

>can I use it to manage a library of mp3’s?
Obviously, this is not the mission of the program. Anyway, you may associate your mp3 files with the cards as *Media files*.

Anyway, this part of the program may be improved soon.

I noticed that when I tried to add a performer who was already in the database as a composer, it would not let me add him tgo the performer database--it told me he was already in the system.
Composers and Performers are in two separate tables. So you can quite add the same name.

I am not quite sure hoiw to operate the custom entries. There is no database for ensembles, for example, and it is unclear how to add it.
Ensembles must be added as performers, by using only the first field.
More generally, we suggest to take a look at the help. The program is not so simple, and a bit of practice is needed.

What I would suggest is that you take a couple of specific records--preferrably multi-composer records--perhaps a 3 CD set of works by different composers, and go through it, showing how to see to it that all the relevant information is added to the system, and the issue completely catalogued so that it can appear on any report one might want to request.
It's a good suggestion for the future ;)

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:31 am

TY for your reply, Mag, especially the point about how to enter ensembles. I have done some additional thinking about my own suggestion, and would like to elaborate--and suggest 4 issues I think you should explain how to catalogue. The reason is two-fold. One is that it might expose to you weaknesses in your program that need correction. The second is that users always have some anxiety about how to handle certain special situations like these, and if your program has solutions to them, potential users would like to know about them before purchase.

1. An album, or a collection box of Bach Cantatas. Not necessarily a complete set, although that is a possibility, but something like the Richter box, or the 2 boxes of 10 CDs each of the Fritz Werner Bach Cantata recordings would be a good idea. REASON: There are many pieces of information I, for one, want for such a CD or set that might not be accommodated by your program. To give an example, let me just give you an idea of what my present 3 inch X 5 inch low tech index card on just one Bach cantata looks like. The flat lines are to indicate spaces, as I do not know how to use Excel or whatever to show blank spaces on a line.

Line 1, above the red line:
Bach, J.S._____hanssler CD 92.001_____AAD

Line 2 and 3, on first two blue lines:
Cantata, S. 19 for STB Soli for Michelmas 29 SEP 1726_____ 20:30

Lines 3 and 4:
Es erhub sich ein Streit
There arose a great strife

Line 5 is blank.

Lines 6, 7, & 8:
Bach-Collegium, Stuttgart__________________Barbara Rondelli, soprano
Gachinger Kantorei_______________________Adalbert Kraus, tenor
Helmuth Rilling, cond._____________________Siegmund Nimsgern, basso

Line 9 is blank.

Line 10 (the bottom line):
X-Ref: Cant. 20_____Rec 2-5/71 Gedachtniskirche Stuttgart

You can see I have lots of information there that would not be needed for, say, a concerto program, and you may not have thought of the need to include it. If I am wrong, then please point that out. The purpose of this whole exercise is both to let the user know how to deal with special situations like this, and to get the programmer to examine whether or not he has, indeed, provided for these situations.

2. An opera issue. Preferrably something with more than the usual special problems, like 2 operas. Perhaps a Cav & Pag issue. In other words, you have, for example, not just two, but three pieces of info on each soloist--the name, the voice (SATB, etc.), and the role played. Some programs may allow for only two. That is a problem; all three pieces of information are important.

3 & 4: The 5-disc set "Ataulfo Argenta: The Complete Decca Recordings, 1953-1957," and the 16 CD set, released as 8 twofers around the world (only Volumes 1-4 of which were released in the US), of recordings by pianist Julius Katchen. Why these two? Because Katchen recorded the 2 Liszt concerti with Argenta, and those recordings appear in both series. Someone like myself, therefore, faces the problem of how to catalogue duplicate recordings appearing in different series'. Does your program allow for this? If not, it should; if it does, the user needs to know how, as I have a pretty good idea it is not quite the normal procedure.
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Post by Magnificat » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:45 am

First of all, thanks for your passionate participation.
I apologize if I don't reply to all your points in detail.

I think a small step backwards is needed.

We can agree on the fact that the recordings collection is not the only mission of the program. Many and many of these programs are already on the market.
On the other hand, Magnificat comes with many features that other programs haven't.
I defined Magnificat as "a classical music Encyclopaedia continuously updatable".
To this purpose, it should be possible to add all information you want.

The problem is: WHAT, HOW & WHERE information must be stored.

When building a database schema, the most common mistake for a programmer is to create hundreds database fields, one for each piece of information.
This will cause only an increment of the complexity of the program, and many customers could be bored soon.

Again (you bet!) if we add 100 fields, the field #101 will be requested just one day after. Similar requests come to me each day.

So, what kind of field really are useful?
The rule is: all the fields that contain information which can be grouped.
Well, and the rest?
Magnificat provide an easy way in order to collect all the other information. Simply, use one or more documents.
In the case of a recording, open its Card and put into a document all the rest of information.
This is surely more efficient than play with hundreds of text-box and combo-box!

I think it's better to spend our time in order to carefully normalize the data (when importing the disc information from the web, for example).

Having said that, I appreciate your ideas and some suggestions will be implemented as soon as possible.

Best regards,
Giuseppe Canfora

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:03 am

Magnificat wrote:I noticed that when I tried to add a performer who was already in the database as a composer, it would not let me add him tgo the performer database--it told me he was already in the system.
Composers and Performers are in two separate tables. So you can quite add the same name.


I am sorry, but that isn't true. I added a composer (not on the internal list) named James Yannatos to tthe composer list. On TROY 400, he also conducts two of his own works, in addition to Walter Piston's Sym 3. When I tried to add James Yannatos to the performer list, I received an error message that said, "James Yannatos is already in the archive." It would not let me add him to the list of performers.
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Post by Magnificat » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:59 am

I am sorry, but that isn't true. I added a composer (not on the internal list) named James Yannatos to tthe composer list. On TROY 400, he also conducts two of his own works, in addition to Walter Piston's Sym 3. When I tried to add James Yannatos to the performer list, I received an error message that said, "James Yannatos is already in the archive." It would not let me add him to the list of performers.
I reassert that it's simply impossible. I invite other users to confirm it.
Maybe you are simply doing wrong actions.
But perhaps other people are not interested on the current argument.
I will be glad to help you privately.
Regards,
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Post by ch1525 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:45 am

I was indeed able to add the same person to the Performer and Composer list. Just tried it.

I wonder why it isn't working for you, Reb?

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:53 am

ch1525 wrote:I was indeed able to add the same person to the Performer and Composer list. Just tried it.

I wonder why it isn't working for you, Reb?
Hmmm. I have no idea. Actually, I only downloaded the trial version. If I can work this out, I am ready to pay for the full version and get going. Might the fact that I am using a trial version have something to do with it? If Mag, or Mr. Canfora, prefers, he can contact me privately @ rb42@mail.com
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Post by ch1525 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:56 am

I'm using the trial version, too. I can't afford the real deal!!! After all, I spent all my money on CDs! :D

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:06 pm

ch1525 wrote:I'm using the trial version, too. I can't afford the real deal!!! After all, I spent all my money on CDs! :D
Well, this gets stranger and stranger. One of the composers I already have on my composer list is Aaron Copland. I also have lots of CDs where he is a conductor, so I tried adding him to the performer list, and it worked like a charm. But then I went back to James Yannatos, and I had the same old problem. I can't get it to work no matter what. The only difference I can think of is that Yannatos is not on the ready-made internal list, whereas Copland is. Could this make a difference?
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Post by ch1525 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:08 pm

I don't think so. Because when I tested your problem, I used Yannatos and it worked fine. This is strange indeed.

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:11 pm

Magnificat wrote: But perhaps other people are not interested on the current argument.
I will be glad to help you privately.
Regards,
Giuseppe Canfora
If that is your preference, fine. But I say, "Phooey on 'em!" :!: :D :evil:
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Post by ch1525 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:14 pm

No, I'm interested in all things "Magnificat"!!!!

Anyway, I'd be willing to enter my whole collection into this baby if there was a way to auto-refresh the price from Amazon and ouput a total in some type of report for insurance purposes.

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:37 pm

ch1525 wrote:No, I'm interested in all things "Magnificat"!!!!

Anyway, I'd be willing to enter my whole collection into this baby if there was a way to auto-refresh the price from Amazon and ouput a total in some type of report for insurance purposes.
I think the list itself without Amazon prices will suffice for insurance purposes. And I, personally, am not iterested in timings for every single track, though I do want timings for whole works. Radio stations using a program like this might, for obvious reasons, think differently.

I am interested, though, in breaking the names of works up into lots of different fields, though, a desire at which Mr. Canfora has expressed some frustration. There are 3 common ways in which works are identified, after the title. One is with an opus #, the second is with special composer-specific catalog number (BWV or S for J.S. Bach, K or Koechel #s for Mozart, the Hoboken catalogue for Haydn, etc.). And the third, particularly beginning with 20th century works, though I am interested in expanding it back in time, the year of composition, or, more precisely, the last year in which significant work was done on it. This might vary. For the original version of the Prokofiev 4th symphony, that would be 1930. For the revised version, 1947, for example. I would like separate fields for each of these, so that, for example, if I wanted to celebrate Independence Day by playing all the Opus 4s, 7s, and 76s I can find, I could abstract all the choices on three lists. Can one use the custom feature to do this without asking Mr. Canfora to modify the basic program and impose it on the whole world just to meet this sick, specialized, and uncommon need of mine?
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Post by Magnificat » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:27 pm

Well, I've no problem to continue our discussion in public. I only feared that the thing could annoy someone!
The only explanation that I can offer is that you are trying to enter the same name twice. But other possibilities (or bugs) should never be excluded. The simplest way to resolve our mistery is to zip and send me the database file named "magnificat.mgb".
I am interested, though, in breaking the names of works up into lots of different fields, though, a desire at which Mr. Canfora has expressed some frustration.
I really don't understand. You have the following fields:
  • Title
    Subtitle
    Opus#
    Year
maybe they are not sufficient?
Again, usually two different versions are already catalogued with different Opus numbers. For example:
Handel: Esther
50a (1720)
50b (1732)
Finally, there are no contraindication in order to add the same work twice.
Anyway, I'd be willing to enter my whole collection into this baby if there was a way to auto-refresh the price from Amazon and ouput a total in some type of report for insurance purposes.
I've really underestimate this problem.
In order to get the total, this can be done.
In order to the auto-refresh, I have some doubts....
You must consider that the web sites change his own structure frequently.
And I couldn' t furnish a reliable service based on such things.

Thanks to all
Giuseppe Canfora

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:53 pm

Problem solved :!:

I don't ever recall the system accepting James Yannatos as a performer, but when I found out where to access the performers list, there he was! I still can't figure out how to add his birth year to the performer database as well as the composer database, but that is a minor problem. I had one other person where I had the same problem, and he is on both lists, too, I see now.

That person is Easley Blackwood, Jr. He is a prominent, living American composer, Mr. Camfora, who ought to be in your ready made database, but isn't. It would be nice if you would add him, and James Yannatos, too. But Blackwood first. I have known of his work for many years. I only heard of Yannatos recently.

Yannatos was born 1929. Blackwood in 1933. BTW, Wikipedia told me that he is Jr. I didn't know that before. Easley Blackwood, Sr. was apparently an historically important contract bridge player known as something of an innovator in that pasttime, making important contributions to the stretegic arsenal of contract bridge play.
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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:18 pm

I just ordered the full pay version, Mr. Canfora.

A couple years ago, I had a major computer crash and went to a repair place to have it restored. The computer was totally inoperable. Lots of the programs were totally lost, even after the restoration. One of them was Wordpad.

I went into the Tools section of your trial version and hit "Run." One of the options available was Wordpad! I opened it, and there it was, in all its glory, ready for use. That's what finally sold me :!: It brought Wordpad back from the bowels of Hell. :D
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Post by ch1525 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:58 pm

Reb, I'll look forward to continued updates on your experiences with this program.


Mr. Canfora, could you please elaborate a little on what differences exist between the trial and full versions?

Yes, as long as there was a way to get a total on the price I'd be happy although I guess you could call the auto-update on price a dreamy feature! It seems like if you could get the price in the first place it could update it (or at least attempt to).

A glitch I noticed on my computer (this may not be happening for others as I have Vista) is that when I bring up the special characters or global statistics box, there is just a black box with nothing displayed.

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Post by RebLem » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:07 pm

ch1525 wrote:Reb, I'll look forward to continued updates on your experiences with this program.


Mr. Canfora, could you please elaborate a little on what differences exist between the trial and full versions?

Yes, as long as there was a way to get a total on the price I'd be happy although I guess you could call the auto-update on price a dreamy feature! It seems like if you could get the price in the first place it could update it (or at least attempt to).

A glitch I noticed on my computer (this may not be happening for others as I have Vista) is that when I bring up the special characters or global statistics box, there is just a black box with nothing displayed.
Well, ain't you the fancy one? You got Vista, eh, but you can't afford a $66.46 cataloguing program? As the robot used to say on Lost in Space. "That does not compute!"

There are lots of stats available at the global statistics screen. That certainly ought to help with insurance needs.
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Post by ch1525 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:56 pm

Well, yes, but I got a really good deal on it!!!

Anyway, I'd like to hear more thoughts on this software from Slofstra and FlayinDutchman since we all discussed cataloging at such length recently.

Do you think this program is a step in the right direction? I really like how it has brought somewhat of a collaborative effort into play. Of course, there is still plenty of room for improvement.

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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:38 am

ch1525 wrote:Reb, I'll look forward to continued updates on your experiences with this program.


Mr. Canfora, could you please elaborate a little on what differences exist between the trial and full versions?

Yes, as long as there was a way to get a total on the price I'd be happy although I guess you could call the auto-update on price a dreamy feature! It seems like if you could get the price in the first place it could update it (or at least attempt to).

A glitch I noticed on my computer (this may not be happening for others as I have Vista) is that when I bring up the special characters or global statistics box, there is just a black box with nothing displayed.
Well, I am not Mr. C. of course, but certainly one of the differences is that you cannot import information from the internet for the program database with the trial version, but you can with the paid version.
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Post by Magnificat » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:30 am

Definitely, this forum is a very funny madhouse. :)
Reb, I'll look forward to continued updates on your experiences with this program.
Me too, I suspect...
I went into the Tools section of your trial version and hit "Run." One of the options available was Wordpad! I opened it, and there it was, in all its glory, ready for use. That's what finally sold me It brought Wordpad back from the bowels of Hell.
Don't say nothing to him, and leave me to enjoy this moment
of cheap glory ;)
Mr. Canfora, could you please elaborate a little on what differences exist between the trial and full versions?
According to the EULA:
"In trial version, only 50 items for each category and only 200 "works" can be recorded." Also, some massive imports are (obviously) not allowed.
Yes, as long as there was a way to get a total on the price I'd be happy although I guess you could call the auto-update on price a dreamy feature! It seems like if you could get the price in the first place it could update it (or at least attempt to).
Yes, technically it is quite possible. But other problems should be considered. *Automatic* means: without user intervention. And I think that there are no conditions to exclude it.
Again, this program is shipped worldwide. You must consider that a normal thing for you (disc insurance) could sound strange elsewhere.
Anyway, I must think it over.
A glitch I noticed on my computer (this may not be happening for others as I have Vista) is that when I bring up the special characters or global statistics box, there is just a black box with nothing displayed.
The program is not yet tested under Vista. Anyway, other customers did reported no problems. Try to run the program in *XP Compatibility Mode*.

Again, thanks to all
Giuseppe Canfora

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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:02 am

I have come to the point where I am trying to enter recordings. On the first screen, I have problems already.

What do you mean by Production #?
What do you mean by Location #?
Despite efforts to explain it, I still don't understand what Supports are. HELP!
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Post by Magnificat » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:06 am

I have come to the point where I am trying to enter recordings
You made great progress!
What do you mean by Production #?
(DECCA) 00289 473 3102
What do you mean by Location #?
If you already catalogued your discs, you may enter here all coordinates.
Despite efforts to explain it, I still don't understand what Supports are. HELP!
Maybe somewhere I used inappropriate word. You must translate as "Media-type" (CD, LP, Cassette...)

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Post by ch1525 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:56 am

Magnificat wrote:According to the EULA:
"In trial version, only 50 items for each category and only 200 "works" can be recorded." Also, some massive imports are (obviously) not allowed.
I really need to start reading those things!!!
Magnificat wrote: Yes, technically it is quite possible. But other problems should be considered. *Automatic* means: without user intervention. And I think that there are no conditions to exclude it.
Again, this program is shipped worldwide. You must consider that a normal thing for you (disc insurance) could sound strange elsewhere.
Anyway, I must think it over.
Yes, I mean it wouldn't have to be completely automatic. Like there could be an option for a tool that says "Import Refreshed Prices" or something of that nature. Then there could be a dialog box that shows all of the fetched prices and if there are errors, there could be means to rectify those. Obviously I realize this would be a significant development effort on the part of the developer, but I think it would be a very useful and powerful feature. Perhaps we can see it Version 3.0?! :D

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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:01 pm

ch1525 wrote: Yes, I mean it wouldn't have to be completely automatic. Like there could be an option for a tool that says "Import Refreshed Prices" or something of that nature. Then there could be a dialog box that shows all of the fetched prices and if there are errors, there could be means to rectify those. Obviously I realize this would be a significant development effort on the part of the developer, but I think it would be a very useful and powerful feature. Perhaps we can see it Version 3.0?! :D
Chad, I really do not see the utility of this obsessive concern with price. If your collection is destroyed by vandals, fire, flood, or theft, you want to be able to establish a replacement cost for the insurance company, I realize that. But that is not necessarily the original cost. Prices go up. Prices go down. Things get reissued in less expensive formats, sometimes, or even, as in the case of SACDs created from old issues, more expensive formats. Sometimes issues are withdrawn without being reissued, and you have to buy, if at all, on the resale market, which can get expensive in the case of certain highly desirable issues. But then ArkivCD will come along and reissue it to order, and the price drops again. Unless you know ahead of time when the fire is going to be :D you can't know what the replacement cost will be. You just have to figure it out after it happens based on economic and market conditions at the time. I just don't see any other way to do it.
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Post by Magnificat » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:57 pm

Yes, I mean it wouldn't have to be completely automatic. Like there could be an option for a tool that says "Import Refreshed Prices" or something of that nature. Then there could be a dialog box that shows all of the fetched prices and if there are errors, there could be means to rectify those. Obviously I realize this would be a significant development effort on the part of the developer, but I think it would be a very useful and powerful feature. Perhaps we can see it Version 3.0?!
OK. Let's dwell upon this subject.
They are not technical problems (entire job can be done in one-two days) but opportunity problems. Let me explain with an example.
Imagine your disc collection. Have you 1000 discs? OK.
Can you imagine yourself scrolling & checking a list that contains 1000 items?
Again, in order to make the job, in this case the program should load & parse 1000 web pages.
Well. Launch the tool only if you're ready for the bed. Next morning (maybe, if the web server don't disconnect your machine because of the amount of traffic) you will get the results.
Could I ship these things?
Anyway, in order to satisfy a curiosity, if I'll be able to spend some time in such things, I'll make some tests.
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Post by RebLem » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:10 pm

Magnificat wrote:
Yes, I mean it wouldn't have to be completely automatic. Like there could be an option for a tool that says "Import Refreshed Prices" or something of that nature. Then there could be a dialog box that shows all of the fetched prices and if there are errors, there could be means to rectify those. Obviously I realize this would be a significant development effort on the part of the developer, but I think it would be a very useful and powerful feature. Perhaps we can see it Version 3.0?!
OK. Let's dwell upon this subject.
They are not technical problems (entire job can be done in one-two days) but opportunity problems. Let me explain with an example.
Imagine your disc collection. Have you 1000 discs? OK.
Can you imagine yourself scrolling & checking a list that contains 1000 items?
Again, in order to make the job, in this case the program should load & parse 1000 web pages.
Well. Launch the tool only if you're ready for the bed. Next morning (maybe, if the web server don't disconnect your machine because of the amount of traffic) you will get the results.
Could I ship these things?
Anyway, in order to satisfy a curiosity, if I'll be able to spend some time in such things, I'll make some tests.
Regards
Besides that, are you married?

If so, do you think its a good idea for your spouse to be able to find out exactly how much your collection depleted the family resources?

Think about it, dude.
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Post by ch1525 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:37 pm

No, I'm not married. I'm a college kid who spends way too much money on CDs.

But you're right, it's my parents who give me continual hell about how much money I spend on CDs. I'd want to keep them away from any "total price" that I may or may not deduce from the program if the feature were to be added! :D

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Post by Magnificat » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:30 pm

.......When the feature will be added, I'll also introduce a random popup window which will show the total price, and will sound a cash desk melody........ :lol:

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Post by RebLem » Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:11 am

Magnificat,

I am a rube when it comes to computers. I just began seriously trying to install the full version of the program. I had entered a fair amount of material in the trial version, and the system wants me to unzip a file so that that info can be transferred to the new full version, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to do it.

Is it possible for me to just delete the trial version altogether, and then download the full version and enter the data from scratch?
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Post by Chalkperson » Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:30 am

RebLem wrote:Magnificat,

I am a rube when it comes to computers. I just began seriously trying to install the full version of the program. I had entered a fair amount of material in the trial version, and the system wants me to unzip a file so that that info can be transferred to the new full version, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to do it.

Is it possible for me to just delete the trial version altogether, and then download the full version and enter the data from scratch?
Don't you just wish you had a Mac...it can't run any of your programs of course... :cry:

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Post by Magnificat » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:11 am

Robert,
You only need to install the full version over the old version.
Then, unzip the two files where you want.
Go to the program folder and find the folder named "license".
Put the two license files into this folder. Run the program.
That's all folks!
Obviously, all entered data will be preserved....

By the way, for those all who are interested, I will take the occasion to announce that the next version of the program will provide the users a more comfortable manner to collect the media.
See more details at the web site: www.collectorslab.com
(History page)

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Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:33 am

I think I'll go back to my 3x5 cards . . .
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Post by RebLem » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:45 am

Magnificat wrote:Robert,
You only need to install the full version over the old version.
Then, unzip the two files where you want.
Go to the program folder and find the folder named "license".
Put the two license files into this folder. Run the program.
That's all folks!
Obviously, all entered data will be preserved....

By the way, for those all who are interested, I will take the occasion to announce that the next version of the program will provide the users a more comfortable manner to collect the media.
See more details at the web site: www.collectorslab.com
(History page)
Regards
Problem is, I cannot find any folder that says license. I find two folders that say License.mck and License.mlf but no folder that just says license. But I sent you an email about it. Actually two--one to sales, and then I looked at the EULA and it said to send it to support, so I sent it there, too.

Corlyss, I am conviced that I will be able to figure out how to operate it, and that the major problem is installation. I resolved so many problems with the trial version, the greater flexibility of the full version will help. I have all kinds of 3 X 5's in about 8 long file boxes, but it is filed only by composer, no cross references by artist or anything else, and I really feel I need this. I have started, though, with the multi-composer records, as it is harder to remember what I have on them than on the single composer records.
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Post by Magnificat » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:08 am

Robert,
in order to clarify your problem to all, I publish here your request
I am trying to install the full version of Magnificat on my computer. I do not understand many terms. I do not know what it means to Unzip a file, for example.
Exactly that which you done... unzip = extract
I did click on the zip file attachment and open it,
and there were two folders there,
...two files
one labeled License.mck and the other License.mlf. The instructions say I should copy the two files in the sub folder named “License” located in the program installation folder, usually at C:\Program Files\Magnificat).
I think I copied them to the folder
....do you think or are you sure? That's the problem.
Did you extracted directly from winzip to the folder? If so, maybe you extracted only one file...
It's not so difficult to check. If you installed the program into the path as above, click Start -> Run and type: "C:\Program Files\Magnificat\License" (without quotes). Click OK and the two files should appear there.

and I go to install and it gets all the way to the Eula page, and then I get a message in a dialog box that says “Unable to locate License:mck! Please correct the problem. Magnificat cannot start.


...this means that you've only copied one file to the License folder...
I have absolutely no idea how to proceed. Please help.

I know there is a procedure by which I can temporarily surrender control of my computer to someone else. I would be willing to do this and just let someone else install it for me. Is this possible? If you’d rather not, please send clearer instructions; I have no idea what to do.
Yes, you only need to install VNC or something else. But this is a lot more complicated than copy two files into a folder....

Would it be possible to just delete the existing Magnificat trial version completely and install the paid version? Even though I have already gone through part of the installation process? I would be willing to re-enter the old data; no problem. But I am concerned that since the License: mlf file apparently took, and the other didn’t, that the two might be irretrievably connected and that removing the old program might make installation of the full version impossible given the work I have already done.


Seems that you installed twice the program in two different paths. Check it! First of all, do the checks described above.

Anyway, if you're still in troubles and you are willing to re-enter the old data, simply uninstall all and re-install the paid version. Then put the TWO files into the License folder.
But I think it will not be necessary if you keep calm.

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Post by ch1525 » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:12 pm

Great improvement with being able to store the media files anywhere. I was totally going to suggest that! Some people have thousands of media files in their My Music or other folder and this change makes complete sense! Good job!

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Post by RebLem » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:28 pm

Problem is, people keep telling me to do things, assuming I know all the steps in how to do them, when in fact, I am a lot less informed than that. So, I thought I would break it down. Here are steps I have taken part of the way through the process. I think, though I am not sure, that I did everything right up to this point.

Steps taken.

1. Left click on zip file @ just below the words “Magnificat license files and instructions.
2. Right click on shaded zip file link resulting in window which has the following choices: a) Open b) Print c) Save as… d) Remove e) Copy, and f) Select all
3. Left click on Open, resulting in a window which has the following choices: a) Open b) Save c) Cancel.
4. Left click on Open, resulting in a screen with 139655 title in upper left, below that, a taskbar for File, Edit, View, Favorites, Tools, and Help. Below that a bar with icons for back and forward (pale and unusable), Up, Search, Folders, and Views. Below that a column of three boxes. The first box has the title “Folder tasks,” in the teal shaded area and a double ^ in the right end on the shaded title area, and the one task listed below is “Extract all files.” I assume “extract” means “unzip.” Just to the right of that are two boxes, one labeled “License: mck” and the other simply “License.” It used to have “License:mlf” but no more. Then, going back to column 1, there is a section headed “Other Places,” with a double ^ over at the right, and four items below: a) “OLK4C9” b) “My Documents” c) “Shared Documents” and d) “My Network Places”. Below that is another box labelled “Details” again with a double ^ at the right, and in the section below the header, the 139655 in boldface and the description “Compressed (zipped) file.”

Then, I try to do the download, as follows:

Click on the link to the download.

1. Get a screen that asks for my user id and password. Enter them, click Log In.
2. Get a dialog box with 3 choices: Run, Save, Cancel. Left click on Run.
3. …exe file runs. At end of the run, I get another dialog box that says “The publisher could not be verified. Are you sure you want to run this software?” Two choices are presented, Run and Don’t Run. I hit on “Run”
4. I get another dialog box that says “Welcome to the Magnificat Set Up Wizard.” Two choices are presented: Next> and Cancel. I hit Next.
5. Then I get the license agreement. I mark it “I accept” and hit Next. I get another dialog box that says “Select Destination Location.” Since I have gone through this before, the address box already has an address in it: “C:\Program Files\Magnificat” shaded with an opportunity to change it. I do not. I hit Next.
6. I get another dialog box that says “Select start menu folder. The address box already has a shaded “Magnificat” in it. I hit next.
7. I get a dialog box that says “Select additional tasks” and offers me a check box to create a desktop icon. Since I already have a desktop icon, I uncheck the box. (I have gone through these steps more than just 3-4 times, and have tried this particular step both ways. It doesn’t seem to make any difference). I hit next.
8. I get a dialog box that says “Ready to Install” with three choices, Back, Install, Cancel. I hit Install.
9. I get a dialog box that says “Completing the Magnificat Setup Wizard.” It has two checked boxes which one has an option to uncheck—View Eula.rtf, which I uncheck, as I already have a copy from previous runs, and “Launch Magnificat” which I keep checked. Then I hit Finish at the bottom.
10. Here is where I get the problem. I get a message with a white X in a red circle which says “Unable to locate License:mck! Please correct the problem. Magnificat cannot start. It has an X in the upper right, and and OK in the middle bottom. When I hit the OK, nothing happens. When I hit the X, I get a statement, “The program is not responding” that gives me two choices: End Now or Cancel. Experience has shown nothing happens when I hit Cancel, so I hit End Now.
11. I get a dialog box that says “You chose to end the nonresponsive program, Magnificat Classical Collector Suite, and it gives me two choices: Send Error Report and Don’t Send. I hit the “Send Error Report,” and then “Close” on the resulting box.

When I go to Start and hit Run, the shaded address "C:\Prpgram Files\Maginificat\License appears. When I hit OK, and then hit Magificat in the resulting screen, I get 23 different files representing different aspects of the Magnificat program, including one which says, "License." So, it is obviously partially installed. Apprently the only thing that remains to be done is to get the file or subfile, or whatever its called labelled "License:mck" into the licesne folder or subfolder or whatever its called.

But, I don't know how to do this.

So, where did I go wrong and what to I do to correct it?
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Post by RebLem » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:41 pm

Now, to top it all off, I sent the above message to support@collectorslab.com and got the following missive back from
Outlook:


Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

Subject: Problems installing Magnificat
Sent: 6/7/2007 2:36 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

'support@colectorslab.com' on 6/7/2007 2:36 PM
550 [PERMFAIL] destination not valid within DNS

What gives? Anyone know?
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Post by Magnificat » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:44 pm

OK. Let's go slowly step by step.

I assume you are using XP.

1. Double-click the zipped file: the two files will appear.
2. Click the "Edit" menu and select the "Select all" item
3. Click the "Edit" menu again and select the "Copy to folder..." item
4. A window named "Copy Items" should appear: Right?

Now read carefully up and down:
"Select the place where you want...." and "To view any subfolders....."
Well, you must browse the tree until you can select the folder named "License", under the folder named "Magnificat", under the folder (I think) named "Program files" etc..
Finally, when the "License" folder have been selected, click the Copy button.

Note: If someone may explain better, I strongly invite him to help Robert. I'm not quite sure about my english.

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Post by Magnificat » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:52 pm

'support@colectorslab.com' on 6/7/2007 2:36 PM
Perhaps you have eaten one “L”....... :roll:

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