Beethoven cycle (Gardiner) 5 or 6 discs???

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Beethoven cycle (Gardiner) 5 or 6 discs???

Post by Mark Preece » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:47 am

I bought the Gardiner set years ago, and still love these period instrumental performances the most. My set is 5 discs, but I have seen it advertised as a set of 6 discs which includes an interview with John Eliot discussing the Beethoven symphonies and their performances on period instruments. This was confirmed the other day when I signed out a copy from our university library, and it did in fact have the interview included with the set. This was a very interesting addition to the set, and I became upset that my set did not include this.

Does anyone know why some were released with and some without this extra disc?
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Re: Beethoven cycle (Gardiner) 5 or 6 discs???

Post by Chalkperson » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:09 am

Mark Preece wrote:I bought the Gardiner set years ago, and still love these period instrumental performances the most. My set is 5 discs, but I have seen it advertised as a set of 6 discs which includes an interview with John Eliot discussing the Beethoven symphonies and their performances on period instruments. This was confirmed the other day when I signed out a copy from our university library, and it did in fact have the interview included with the set. This was a very interesting addition to the set, and I became upset that my set did not include this.

Does anyone know why some were released with and some without this extra disc?
I bought the set when it first came out, and I only have five discs...no idea when they added the extra disc...amazon has it with the extra disc, the interviews are in three languages...

http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Symphon ... 625&sr=1-1

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Post by slofstra » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:37 pm

Why don't you just burn a copy of the interviews. Ethical in this case, I think.

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the phantom disc

Post by SONNET CLV » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:00 pm

I don't know when the interview disc was added to the set, but my 1994 Archiv Produktion recordings include the sixth disc in box two, unnumbered. On the spine of the slip case is printed "5 Compact Discs". And the inner jewel box itself (which contains the sixth disc) is marked as a "2 disc" case -- the other inner jewel case is listed as a "3 disc" case. But there is that sixth disc.

Could you possibly just have gotten a freak box?

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Post by slofstra » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:39 pm

Mark, Is Gardiner your favourite Beethoven symphony set? Have you listened to any others, and if so, how do they measure up in your estimation.

I have a set or two of Gardiner's Bach cantatas but don't like them near as much as Koopman's. I do have Gardiner's Beethoven's 9th. I really should play it again, but it's not the one I usually reach for.

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Post by Lance » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:16 pm

I wish I could help with the Gardiner Beethoven set and give some input. It's one set I never acquired having so many others - too many, probably - to choose from. Someone mentioned that you may have had a "freak" box - so much depends on the accuracy of the employees filling the boxes and inserts with the proper CDs. Sometimes you don't find out that you're missing something until a long time later when you are checking out something to hear. These days, on multi-CD boxes, I check EVERY CD to make sure it is there, and that the CDs show no blemishes. Too many times I have been burned! But as Slofstra suggest, I'm sure it would be permissible to have someone burn you a copy of the speaking disc.
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Post by CharmNewton » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:53 pm

I bought the set when it was first released and have the 6th disc. At the time, this set was highly promoted by Archiv and was part of a special display (and specially priced)--at Best Buy, no less.

As to the performances, I find them to be tonally lighter, brighter and livlier than traditional performances and the 9th must be one of the fastest on records.

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Re: the phantom disc

Post by Mark Preece » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:11 am

SONNET CLV wrote:I don't know when the interview disc was added to the set, but my 1994 Archiv Produktion recordings include the sixth disc in box two, unnumbered. On the spine of the slip case is printed "5 Compact Discs". And the inner jewel box itself (which contains the sixth disc) is marked as a "2 disc" case -- the other inner jewel case is listed as a "3 disc" case. But there is that sixth disc.

Could you possibly just have gotten a freak box?
These descriptions match my set exactly. I thought it might have been in error, I went back to our university library and signed out the set. I will burn off a copy of the 6th disc. Thanks Sonnet for your suggestion, and I hope others can also agree that my making a copy in this situation is warranted.
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Re: the phantom disc

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:26 am

Mark Preece wrote:
SONNET CLV wrote:I don't know when the interview disc was added to the set, but my 1994 Archiv Produktion recordings include the sixth disc in box two, unnumbered. On the spine of the slip case is printed "5 Compact Discs". And the inner jewel box itself (which contains the sixth disc) is marked as a "2 disc" case -- the other inner jewel case is listed as a "3 disc" case. But there is that sixth disc.

Could you possibly just have gotten a freak box?
These descriptions match my set exactly. I thought it might have been in error, I went back to our university library and signed out the set. I will burn off a copy of the 6th disc. Thanks Sonnet for your suggestion, and I hope others can also agree that my making a copy in this situation is warranted.
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Post by walboi » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:23 pm

In fact when this box was released and I bought it, it was made clear that this interview disc was a temporary bonus, so that could account for it missing from some sets.
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