Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

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Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by ChrisBrewster » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:03 pm

I've long felt that the Jean Martinon recording of Berlioz's L'Enfance du Christ was the best one. I'm not the only one who likes it. In a 1995 New York Times commentary (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/07/arts/ ... %22&st=cse), Kenneth Furie makes a detailed case that Martinon conducted this with the best grasp of its content and how to clarify it.

This recording used to be on Nonesuch LP, licensed from RTF. But then it just disappeared, and not only in the sense that it wasn't reissued on CD. A Google search turns up almost no reference to it. I'd expect at least a listing of it in some European source.

Are there any other fans of this recording here? Any idea how to encourage a reissue of it?

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by val » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:37 am

I heard several versions of L'Enfance du Christ" but I don't remember the one of Martinon, a conductor that I admire.

Until now, my favorite version remains the one conducted by Cluytens, with Gedda and Victoria de los Angeles.

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by piston » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:33 am

It is still around in its LP form.
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The corresponding Nonesuch info is:
L'Enfance du Christ, Op.25. Nonesuch. HB-73022.
Hector Berlioz, composer.
Alain Vanzo, tenor
Jane Berbié, mezzo-soprano
Claude Calès, baritone
Roger Soyer, bass
Robert Andreozzi, tenor
Jean-Pierre Brossmann, baritone
Juan Soumagnas, bass
Choruses & Orchestra of the French National Radio
Jean Gitton, choral director
Jean Martinon, conductor
The European label for the above LP is:
SMS 2612-1/2
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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by ChrisBrewster » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:01 am

Thanks. That's more information than I've ever found using a search. What labels do reissues, and how does one encourage something to be reissued? Is this something ArchivMusik would do?
piston wrote:It is still around in its LP form.
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The corresponding Nonesuch info is:
L'Enfance du Christ, Op.25. Nonesuch. HB-73022.
Hector Berlioz, composer.
Alain Vanzo, tenor
Jane Berbié, mezzo-soprano
Claude Calès, baritone
Roger Soyer, bass
Robert Andreozzi, tenor
Jean-Pierre Brossmann, baritone
Juan Soumagnas, bass
Choruses & Orchestra of the French National Radio
Jean Gitton, choral director
Jean Martinon, conductor
The European label for the above LP is:
SMS 2612-1/2

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by val » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:11 am

Some soloists seem very appealing: Vanzo, Berbié and Soyer, three of the best French singers of the sixties. Berbié and Soyer recorded Benvenutto Cellini with Colin Davis and Gedda.

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by piston » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:37 am

What labels do reissues, and how does one encourage something to be reissued? Is this something ArchivMusik would do?


I have no idea how this branch of the business works. Surely copyrights are involved but with whom? Heirs of the Martinon estate?
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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by Chalkperson » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:50 am

piston wrote:
What labels do reissues, and how does one encourage something to be reissued? Is this something ArchivMusik would do?


I have no idea how this branch of the business works. Surely copyrights are involved but with whom? Heirs of the Martinon estate?
If it's on Nonsuch then it's owned by Warner Bros, ArkivMusic Licenses Recordings and they are issued on the same Label as the Original, Labels like Regis and Alto specialize in re-issuing recordings from other labels...
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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by Lance » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:33 pm

Like a fool, I missed this one. I have the NEXT number after that set, but I could have had it (and enjoyed it) years ago. If you ever find out it's been reissued on CD, I'd love to know.
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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by IN278S » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:15 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
piston wrote:
What labels do reissues, and how does one encourage something to be reissued? Is this something ArchivMusik would do?


I have no idea how this branch of the business works. Surely copyrights are involved but with whom? Heirs of the Martinon estate?
If it's on Nonsuch then it's owned by Warner Bros, ArkivMusic Licenses Recordings and they are issued on the same Label as the Original, Labels like Regis and Alto specialize in re-issuing recordings from other labels...
Warners owns the recordings originally made by Nonesuch, but in their earlier years they licensed a lot of material from European labels, and I think this Martinon set falls into the latter category.

UPDATE: This recording was issued on LP by Guilde Internationale du Disque, which suggests it may be part of the Concert Hall archive. A suggestion might be made to Scribendum, which has been active in reissuing this catalogue.

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by piston » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:35 pm

And the SMS label number in Europe is not an easy one to nail down.

The parent company is Concert Hall Society, Inc., founded in 1946, and presided over by Dr. David Josefowitz. The company worked with "subscriptions for post-order."

Its "daughter" company was named Musical Masterpiece Society whose only difference with the parent company is that, as a subscriber, you did not need to purchase a fixed amount of discs.

Now, "sub-labels" of this daughter company included what I understand to be three different national labels: Guilde Belge du Disque (Belgium), Guilde Internationale du Disque (France), and Musikale Meesterwerken Serie (Germany). The French label was founded in France in 1953.

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by jserraglio » Mon May 13, 2013 5:10 am

Lance wrote:Like a fool, I missed this one. I have the NEXT number after that set, but I could have had it (and enjoyed it) years ago. If you ever find out it's been reissued on CD, I'd love to know.
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This record was re-licensed some time ago by David Gideon at Rediscovery. AFAIK, it is still available there in one of his top-notch transfers. Unfortunately, I picked up the mp3s, not the CD, but they sound as good as or better than my noisy Nonesuch LPs.

http://rediscovery.us/index.html
http://rediscovery.us/conductors2.html

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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by John F » Mon May 13, 2013 6:58 am

piston wrote:
What labels do reissues, and how does one encourage something to be reissued? Is this something ArchivMusik would do?

I have no idea how this branch of the business works. Surely copyrights are involved but with whom? Heirs of the Martinon estate?
Ordinarily, with the producer of the recording, the Concert Hall Society as piston says or the Guilde Internationale du Disque, whichever actually organized the sessions. Nonesuch merely licensed the recording; its packaging should say from whom.

In 1969-70 that recording was reviewed favorably by High Fidelity, Stereo Review, and the New York Times, and indifferently by American Record Guide and Consumers' Research Magazine. Haven't heard it myself.
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Re: Jean Martinon's recording of L'Enfance du Christ

Post by josé echenique » Mon May 13, 2013 8:12 am

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I haven´t heard the Martinon, but from the 7 or 8 recordings I own my favourite is Herreweghe´s. Beautifully sung and played, it´s a delight.

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