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CMG NYC meet-up change of plans

Post by jbuck919 » Sun May 23, 2010 8:25 pm

This was originally a poll to determine which menu we would choose our food from when we met on July 10 at O'Neals' near Lincoln Center. Now that we know O'Neals' will be closing before then, the poll is defunct and I have removed the menus. However, the rest of the thread remains unchanged. I have changed the subject title and lead post to avoid misunderstanding and to bring anyone who has not yet responded immediately into the picture.

As of this moment--5:19 p.m. EDT on 24 May 2010--the date (July 10) and the borough (Manhattan) for the gathering remain unchanged, but a new place must be selected. Please read down the thread for the whole story.

The following people have either said they would come or expressed strong interest. This is not a head count. Except for Lance, I have not made note yet of any guests. Attendance is still very much open; if you're interested, post on this thread or send me a PM. If you no longer feel you can attend, please let me know that too. I did this by running through the original thread, and I'll be terribly embarrassed if I've omitted anybody, but go ahead, embarrass me if I have. :)

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John F(rancis)
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Re: CMG New York meet-up: Time to choose the menu

Post by rwetmore » Sun May 23, 2010 8:27 pm

Wow - you're doing it up big!
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Re: CMG New York meet-up: Time to choose the menu

Post by jbuck919 » Sun May 23, 2010 8:33 pm

rwetmore wrote:Wow - you're doing it up big!
Would you like to join us as the official representative of the Joisey Shore? :)

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Post by MarkC » Sun May 23, 2010 8:35 pm

I hope my vote counts even though I/we still aren't definite: The 66

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Re: CMG New York meet-up: Time to choose the menu

Post by jbuck919 » Sun May 23, 2010 8:39 pm

MarkC wrote:I hope my vote counts even though I/we still aren't definite: The 66
The menu will be decided by the greater number of votes at the end of the poll, irrespective of who ends up coming (though I hope we see you there, Mark).

(I hope I didn't have to say that only those who have an expressed an interest in attending should vote.)
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Post by rwetmore » Sun May 23, 2010 8:41 pm

jbuck919 wrote:Would you like to join us as the official representative of the Joisey Shore? :)
Nah - my presence might ruffle a few feathers or deter a few others from coming due to past political discussions in which I probably went over the line a bit. I appreciate the invite though.

I hope you're going to take some pictures.
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Post by MarkC » Sun May 23, 2010 8:44 pm

rwetmore wrote:.......due to past political discussions......
Political discussions????
What political discussions? :mrgreen:

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Post by Lance » Sun May 23, 2010 9:12 pm

I took the $66/option for me and daughter Liane. I should know in the first week of June (or so) for sure. I would certainly like to be there to see all you wonderful folk. I don't know if Some Guy (Michael) will be coming from the West Coast this time, but I sure hope so, and our good friend from New Orleans, Chad. I can't remember if they are on the original list or not.

►I think Werner Isler will also be coming with his wife ... Charlotte.
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Post by John F » Mon May 24, 2010 2:39 am

The $59 menu for me.
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Post by MarkC » Mon May 24, 2010 3:50 am

John F wrote:The $59 menu for me.
Well yes -- but you need to punch the button above.
How do I know that you didn't? Because "59" still has 0 votes.

(See? I'm even willing to help the opposition.) :mrgreen:

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon May 24, 2010 5:22 am

MarkC wrote:
John F wrote:The $59 menu for me.
Well yes -- but you need to punch the button above.
How do I know that you didn't? Because "59" still has 0 votes.

(See? I'm even willing to help the opposition.) :mrgreen:
Thank you, Mark. Yes, everyone needs actually to take the poll this time. You don't expect me to go through another thread post-by-post, do you? :)

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Post by lennygoran » Mon May 24, 2010 5:34 am

>lennygoran<

My wife will be coming too--if she can vote she too votes for the $59 menu :) Regards, Len

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Post by Ralph » Mon May 24, 2010 7:10 am

I prefer the $66 menu but will be happy with both. I expect that Larry Rinkel will attend also.

I miss posting on this board but life has become extremely busy professionally and I have little free time. Looking forward to 10 July.
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Post by maestrob » Mon May 24, 2010 10:43 am

My wife and I are still planning to come, but, again, we can't be there until after 9PM, if that's still OK. Am voting for the more expensive option, twice.

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Post by John F » Mon May 24, 2010 12:11 pm

Just saw this stunning item in today's NY Times. O'Neals' isn't an Irish pub and isn't spelled this way, but it seems to be our O'Neals'. Better make sure it will still be there in July!

O’Neal’s to Be Replaced by a Branch of Altantic Grill
By FLORENCE FABRICANT

O’Neal’s, the Irish pub near Lincoln Center, is closing, to be replaced by a branch of Atlantic Grill, the Upper East Side seafood restaurant owned by Stephen Hanson’s BR Guest.

Michael O’Neal, the pub’s owner, said he planned to close around the end of June.

“We’ve been on this block of 46 years, first with the Ginger Man,” he said. The Ginger Man closed during renovations on the building and reopened as O’Neals seven years ago.

As for relocating O’Neals, he said he had no immediate plans, “But I’d love to.”

Atlantic Grill Lincoln Center, with 250 seats, will open in late August at 50 West 65th Street. (O’Neal’s address with 49 West 64th Street, the restaurant runs through the block.)

A previous version of this post reported that O’Neal’s would close at the end of May.

P.S. Note the change in closing date. Doesn't help us, though. Incidentally, this notice hasn't appeared in the print edition of the NY Times, as far as I know, but in the Times's blog "Diner's Journal" (http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/).
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Post by Lance » Mon May 24, 2010 12:16 pm

Uh oh! What a shame, this closing. I loved the place. I guess we will have to somewhat careful. Perhaps even having a backup just in case. I think at O'Neals (I never am sure of getting the spelling right) the most we can have in their private room is 25 persons. Someone mentioned coming in at 9:00 p.m. Isn't that too late for dinner?
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Post by lennygoran » Mon May 24, 2010 1:15 pm

>Perhaps even having a backup just in case.<

I must be reading something incorrectly--if O'Neals' is closing end of May and Atlantic Grill is opening in August won't we definitely need another place?

It wasn't that long ago they renovated the place--now selling it so soon afterwards. We've been to the Atlantic Grill on the eastside-part of Steve Hanson's empire of restaurants and pretty good IMO. Hanson also has Isabella's where we've had good food across from the Museum of Natural History. Regards, Len

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Post by MarkC » Mon May 24, 2010 1:32 pm

maestrob wrote:My wife and I are still planning to come, but, again, we can't be there until after 9PM, if that's still OK. Am voting for the more expensive option, twice.
Huh.
I guess I should vote twice then too! (My wife would probably be coming.)

But that makes me wonder......does that mean there's no mechanism for preventing multiple multiple multiple voting?

Edit: Good news.........it seems there is. I voted again, and it didn't register.
John F wrote:.......O’Neal’s, the Irish pub near Lincoln Center, is closing, to be replaced by a branch of Atlantic Grill, the Upper East Side seafood restaurant owned by Stephen Hanson’s BR Guest.

Michael O’Neal, the pub’s owner, said he planned to close around the end of May.......
Holy moly!

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Post by John F » Mon May 24, 2010 1:52 pm

lennygoran wrote:I must be reading something incorrectly--if O'Neals' is closing end of May and Atlantic Grill is opening in August won't we definitely need another place?
If the Times has got it right. Nothing on their web site, so I've emailed them to ask if the news is true.
lennygoran wrote:It wasn't that long ago they renovated the place--now selling it so soon afterwards. We've been to the Atlantic Grill on the eastside-part of Steve Hanson's empire of restaurants and pretty good IMO. Hanson also has Isabella's where we've had good food across from the Museum of Natural History.
The Times story suggests that Michael O'Neal doesn't really want to close the restaurant, as he'd be happy to reopen elsewhere. There's nothing about "selling," and I imagine the problem may be a new lease with increased rent.

Longtime Upper West Side eateries have been closing one after another in the last few years; Café des Artistes and Lenge come to mind and there have been others whose names I forget. All this benefits the survivors and I expect tables at Josephina will be even harder to come by.
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Post by MarkC » Mon May 24, 2010 2:12 pm

John F wrote:Longtime Upper West Side eateries have been closing one after another in the last few years; Café des Artistes and Lenge come to mind and there have been others whose names I forget.....
You didn't already forget Tavern on the Green, did you...... :)

And, depending on how far back we want to go:

Hisae's
Ernie's
Ruskay's
Rouelle's
The East West (semi-macrobiotic)
Cherry Restaurant/Diner (invaluable!)
Eclair (which wasn't that great, but it was charming) :)

And there was (I think) an O'Neal's, which became Ruppert's, which is now the City Grill.

BTW........I never knew Lenge.

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon May 24, 2010 2:27 pm

Werner informs me that he has called and that "our" O'Neals' is in fact closing as indicated (thank you Werner, and thank you John F). The suggestion is that I follow up with a specific person or persons on Wednesday, which I will do, but I think we should be prepared for the possibility that we will be on our own to select an alternative location starting from scratch.

Bummer.

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Re: CMG New York meet-up: Time to choose the menu

Post by Steinway » Mon May 24, 2010 2:35 pm

If the news about O'Neal's closing is valid, the selection of menus becomes irrelevant.

If a new venue is necessary, which seems to be accurate, may I suggest looking at Ed's Chowder House, directly across the street from Lincoln Center. It's an excellent restaurant, not too expensive, which would be a fine alternative, assuming they have a private meeting room area. It's in the Empire Hotel , on the second floor. 212-956-1288

Another suggestion is Gabriel's, 11 W.60th St.
Good food, and they have a private room . 212-956-4600

Another is Josephina's, 1900 Broadway, across from Lincoln Center. 212-799-1000. They also have a private room.

Hopefully, John can check these out.

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Post by MarkC » Mon May 24, 2010 2:50 pm

Cliftwood wrote:If the news about O'Neal's closing is valid, the selection of menus becomes irrelevant......
Indeed.
BTW......not to be flip, but i wonder if their thing with veal hasn't helped them. Granting that I'm biased, it seems to me that their featuring veal to the extent that they put it as the one-and-only meat dish on a limited menu, especially in such a locale, suggests (albeit just moderately) that they might be a little out of touch in a more general way. (You don't have to tell me that things are tough all around and that restaurants have been closing whether they're in touch or not.)

I love Josephina's. If they have a suitable space, I think it would be great.

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Post by Werner » Mon May 24, 2010 3:16 pm

I don't know, Mark - we were there just a week ago Saturday, and the place was busy as ever - and i don't remember seeing even one veal item on the menu.

It's too bad - this has been a go-to place for us for years, as well as the place for two good CMG meetups. Let's hope a replacement will emerge, and we'll get a chance to meet old and new friends.
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Post by MarkC » Mon May 24, 2010 3:20 pm

Werner wrote:I don't know, Mark - we were there just a week ago Saturday, and the place was busy as ever - and i don't remember seeing even one veal item on the menu......
Sounds like my speculation wasn't much right. :)

But there may have been something to it.
We shrink types look for signs of stuff. :)

If veal isn't much featured in their offerings in general, it's perhaps an even odder reflection that they would choose it as they did for such a limited menu. It leaves me in the same place -- wondering about their thought processes.

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Post by slofstra » Mon May 24, 2010 3:30 pm

One of the reasons O'Neal's was chosen originally was its proximity to the Lincoln Center. Since that is no longer a criterion and if the place does close, is this the most accessible area in NYC for a meet up? We'll be staying in Chelsea area when we're there, so all of Manhattan works for us. But what works best for those coming from out of town just for the day?

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Post by MarkC » Mon May 24, 2010 3:35 pm

slofstra wrote:One of the reasons O'Neal's was chosen originally was its proximity to the Lincoln Center. Since that is no longer a criterion.....
That means the concert idea was scuttled? I wouldn't have any complaint about that -- just curious.

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Post by John F » Mon May 24, 2010 5:25 pm

Since there aren't any performances at Lincoln Center just then, or at least none that any of us are interested in, we don't have to limit our restaurant choices to that area. But it's a starting point.

Josephina's is the closest to O'Neals', not just in geography but in menu, prices, and quality, and they have a big dining room. It gets noisy in the pre-curtain time, but settles down between 7:00 and 7:30; of course that wouldn't be a problem if we can get a private room. Their "Duck, Duck" (I quote from the menu) is sublime. The web site says they do private parties but doesn't say just what that means.

Another wide open space is La Fenice, 2014 Broadway at 68th St. Decent if not outstanding Italian, moderate prices; again, noisy until the pre-curtain crowd clears out.

Arpeggio Food & Wine, in the lobby of Avery Fisher Hall, is by all accounts a real upgrade on Panevino, which occupied the same space until last year. I like the menu, including a nicely varied prix fixe, and I like the prices, but I haven't eaten there. The web site says they do private events of all sizes. There's a NY Phil "Summertime Classics" (i.e. pops) concert upstairs at 8:00.

Smaller restaurants in the area, such as La Boite en Bois, Nick and Toni's, Vince & Eddie's, and Il Violino, though both good and affordable, are essentially converted ground floors of townhouses and wouldn't accommodate the numbers we may add up to.

Ralph and I have been to Ed's Chowder House and were less favorably impressed with the food we had than Cliftwood, though our choices may not have been typical. And apart from a few token red meat "simple mains," which aren't on the prix fixe menu, it's all fish and seafood, which may not be what everybody wants. But this sets up a transition to cuisines other than "contemporary American," and here are a few that friends and I have had groups and parties at, and can recommend:

Tang Pavilion (Chinese). 65 W 55th St @ 5th & 6th Ave. Away from Lincoln Center, obviously. Did a fine job with a large lunchtime birthday party for one of my volunteer colleagues. Her children ordered the dishes in advance, and some were spectacularly good.

Greek Kitchen. 889 10th Avenue @ 58th Street. No formal party as such, but when 8 of us showed up they put tables together for us and the service was fine. Not as upscale as Molyvos (near Carnegie Hall), but we actually like the food here better, and we also like the prices.

Sapphire Indian Cuisine. 1845 Broadway @ 60th & 61st St. Another big birthday party, this one with 20 people giving their individual orders; don't know whether they make arrangements with prix-fixe menus like O'Neals'. Attractive decor, varied and outstanding dishes, excellent service.

Pasha (Turkish). 70 West 71st Street @ Columbus Ave. I believe the largest number we've had there is 6, but I've seen larger parties. Elegant, tasty food that may have been tweaked to please American palates; some out-of-towners I know always want to go here first when they hit NYC.

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon May 24, 2010 5:49 pm

John F wrote:Since there aren't any performances at Lincoln Center just then, or at least none that any of us are interested in, we don't have to limit our restaurant choices to that area. But it's a starting point.
I do not think all of Manhattan is a practical universe from which to make our choice. Among other things, it might be wise to pick a place that could become the next O'Neals', i.e., the place for us to hold these on the assumption that in the future they are likely to happen during concert season. If no one objects, I would prefer that our (my?) already order-of-magnitude more formidable task be limited to the Lincoln Center area and a list such as the one John has already provided. Which I suppose means that if anyone has anything to add to his list (only something you seriously know might be worth looking into, please), something to subtract from it for a good reason, or information that might help us narrow it down, now is the time to do it.

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Post by lennygoran » Mon May 24, 2010 7:49 pm

>Café des Artistes and Lenge come to mind <

I remember when Sante Fe closed--it found another location nearby where the rent was cheaper. Regards, Len

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Post by lennygoran » Mon May 24, 2010 7:53 pm

>And there was (I think) an O'Neal's, which became Ruppert's, which is now the City Grill.<

That place is still there--the prices are very fair--we pass it frequently on our way back to our car usually parked in the low 70's off Columbus Ave.

>BTW........I never knew Lenge.<

We had many a fine Japanese meal there--and the price was right--they couldn't handle a large party though. Regards, Len

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Post by lennygoran » Mon May 24, 2010 8:07 pm

>Sapphire Indian Cuisine...Pasha (Turkish). 70 West 71st Street @ Columbus Ave <

John, don't know if Sapphire has a private room but Pasha has some little alcoves--then again for them a large group might be a problem. Of course over the years we've loved both those restaurants.

OTOH Arte Cafe on 73rd off Columbus has some party rooms and might be a place to consider--they have some very good pre-theater deals and maybe could offer something reasonable for the group?

http://www.artecafenyc.com/media/artecafe.html

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Post by John F » Tue May 25, 2010 1:37 am

MarkC wrote:If veal isn't much featured in their offerings in general, it's perhaps an even odder reflection that they would choose it as they did for such a limited menu. It leaves me in the same place -- wondering about their thought processes.
Maybe it's your thought processes. <ducking> Let's face it, the treatment of veal calves is by no means a widely held cause celebre, however passionately the few who know about it may care. One reason, I suppose, is that mainstream America has never had much of a taste for veal - we prefer beef. So you don't see free-range veal in the food stores as you do free-range beef, or for that matter free-range chicken, wild (as opposed to farmed) salmon, etc.

Veal remains a mainstay of the popular continental European cuisines, Italian and French and German for starters, and of many New York restaurants featuring those cuisines such as La Fenice on my list. If there's any conscientious objection to restaurants that have veal on the menu, then forget about La Fenice.

As for O'Neals', they have been one of the most successful restaurants in the Lincoln Center area for many years. Why they are closing now is undisclosed, but will probably come out before long; the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that their lease must be ending and the owners of their building, newly and expensively rebuilt, are now demanding too much rent. Certainly it can have nothing to do with the food they offer their customers, including us.

The "concert idea" was scuttled some time ago, I think, when it was decided to meet up at a time when there are no concerts. :) Unless any of us is keen to hear Bramwell Tovey conduct the New York Philharmonic in the Donna Diana overture, Suppé's Light Cavalry, and other such chestnuts.

For slofstra: Lincoln Center is as convenient for out-of-towners as any other destination we'd be likely to choose, with a direct subway link from Penn Station and MTA buses that go up 8th Avenue and Broadway. No problem there.
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Post by MarkC » Tue May 25, 2010 2:29 am

John F wrote:Maybe it's your thought processes. <ducking>.....
Definitely!
(no need to duck)

Whatever else it is or isn't, it's definitely my thought process. :lol:

After all, remember:
"Don't expect me to be sane, I'm playing Scriabin" :mrgreen:

But the 'beauty' of speculation like mine is that it can never be proven wrong! :shock:

In any event, you certainly can't say that it "certainly" has nothing to do with their food offerings -- and besides, what I said was a little different: I said it might be because of what that choice tells us about their thinking. Speaking as a long-time Upper West Sider, I do think it's a bit screwy for a restaurant anywhere near there to even think of putting veal as the only meat choice on a limited menu. Of course "screwiness" wouldn't necessarily be a reason they failed, among other reasons because (as per what you said) we don't know that they did.

Would I BET that this means they are indeed a bit screwy?
Yes.
Would I bet on anything else about it? No.

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Re: CMG NYC meet-up change of plans

Post by Steinway » Tue May 25, 2010 8:39 am

To avoid an endless debate on the subject, I suggest we try for Josephina's or Gabriels, assuming there's a private room available.
Both are near Lincoln Center, reasonably priced and not a complete mystery to some of us. I feel the ability to have a pleasant and relaxed venue to chat is the most important issue, and the food will be be sufficently satisfactory to make the evening worthwhile.

Please add my bride to the list of attendees.

As far as the decision by some not to attend because of past political differences, this should be no reason to stay away. We talk about music at these get togethers. :)

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Re: CMG New York meet-up: Time to choose the menu

Post by Chalkperson » Tue May 25, 2010 11:21 am

MarkC wrote:If veal isn't much featured in their offerings in general, it's perhaps an even odder reflection that they would choose it as they did for such a limited menu. It leaves me in the same place -- wondering about their thought processes.
To be truthful, Mark, I often wonder about your thought processes... :lol:
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Re: CMG NYC meet-up change of plans

Post by MarkC » Tue May 25, 2010 11:40 am

That makes two and counting.
(THREE if you include me.) [sm. suppr.]

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Post by Lance » Tue May 25, 2010 7:53 pm

I wholeheartedly agree with Harris/Cliftwood. Forget past problems and altercations and come as friends and music lovers. Everyone I have met at these events the last two times were all charming and interesting people who all share their love of music. What we have on CMG is hugely unique, I think—no matter what the number of participants—is a great place to discuss what we collect musically, what we enjoy hearing at concerts, what we perform or study, what concerts we attend, what kind of pianos we like, what movies and books we like, etc., etc., etc. Great friendships have been formed through CMG. I don't know too many online groups such as ours [other than love connection sites!] that get together, become even better friends, enjoy food and drink, take photos, and have fond memories as the months (and years) go by. I would LOVE to see 50 or 100 CMGers come to such a Meet-Up (if we could find a place to hold that many, have great food and service, and keep the pricing reasonable and affordable). So, put down your swords, be peacemakers, love music and friendship! Seriously!
Cliftwood wrote:{snipped} As far as the decision by some not to attend because of past political differences, this should be no reason to stay away. We talk about music at these get togethers. :)
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Post by Lance » Tue May 25, 2010 8:02 pm

Werner Isler sent me the O'Neals' web site announcing the closure of the restaurant that some may remember as once being The Ginger Man. (My sister, who lived in New York back then, LOVED The Ginger Man, as did some of my friends from New York City Opera.) What an icon both these names are in NYC retauranting. What a pity they have to close. I felt so bad that I sent off a note to Mike O'Neal to thank him for such wonderful memories I have had there with the Islers (for dinner on occasion) and with the CMG events. I'm glad I took some photos there. Gee, one-by-one they are going. I used to love to go Tavern on the Green and take the horse and carriage rides with my other half and my daughter. Now they're gone, too. Why are so many bad things happening in our society today? Whom can we blame? :(
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Post by slofstra » Tue May 25, 2010 8:28 pm

Lance wrote:Werner Isler sent me the O'Neals' web site announcing the closure of the restaurant that some may remember as once being The Ginger Man. (My sister, who lived in New York back then, LOVED The Ginger Man, as did some of my friends from New York City Opera.) What an icon both these names are in NYC retauranting. What a pity they have to close. I felt so bad that I sent off a note to Mike O'Neal to thank him for such wonderful memories I have had there with the Islers (for dinner on occasion) and with the CMG events. I'm glad I took some photos there. Gee, one-by-one they are going. I used to love to go Tavern on the Green and take the horse and carriage rides with my other half and my daughter. Now they're gone, too. Why are so many bad things happening in our society today? Whom can we blame? :(
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Re: CMG NYC meet-up change of plans

Post by John F » Tue May 25, 2010 9:48 pm

This from the New York Post about O'Neals' demise. As in the Times, this full-service restaurant is mischaracterized as a pub with food - "burger-and-brew place" indeed, hamburgers aren't even on the menu. And I don't understand just what the transaction between the landlord and the new lessee may have been, and where Michael O'Neal came into it. Not that it matters, the deal is done.

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Stephen Hanson's BR Guest restaurant company will pay "north of $600,000 a year," sources said, for what's currently the O'Neals' space at 49 W. 64th St.

As the Times Web site reported yesterday, Hanson has taken over the space and plans to turn the longtime burger-and-brew place into a larger, West Side version of his money-machine seafood house, Atlantic Grill, on Third Avenue.

Hanson said the venue has 8,000 square feet. He expects his 250-seater to gross $8 million annually. O'Neals' lease had not expired, but Hanson structured a new, direct lease with the landlord.

It will be sad when O'Neals', a local institution since 1964, closes at the end of June. But not long ago, Hanson, in a conversation about his empire, told us, "I wish I had 100 Atlantic Grills."

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