The best ever movement by US composer?

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The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by piston » Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:57 pm

"molto deliberato"
Copland's Third Symphony
Blows my mind away!

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by Heck148 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:26 pm

piston wrote:"molto deliberato"
Copland's Third Symphony
Blows my mind away!

Dissenters?
Schuman Symhony #3 - I [Passacaglia/Fugue]
Bernstein - Symphony #1 "Jeremiah" - II "Profanation" Vivace con Brio

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:43 pm

Heck148 wrote:
Schuman Symhony #3 - I [Passacaglia/Fugue]
seconded.

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by Donaldopato » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:47 pm

Would you consider the Harris 3rd as one movement? If so that is my nomination.
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by MaestroDJS » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:48 pm

Heck148 wrote:Schuman Symhony #3 - I [Passacaglia/Fugue]
ContrapunctusIX wrote:seconded.
Thirded.
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by diegobueno » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:34 pm

piston wrote:"molto deliberato"
Copland's Third Symphony
Blows my mind away!

Dissenters?
Any movement in the Copland 3rd symphony could be deemed the best by an American composer. It's that great.

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by slofstra » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:27 pm

Heck148 wrote:
piston wrote:"molto deliberato"
Copland's Third Symphony
Blows my mind away!

Dissenters?
Schuman Symhony #3 - I [Passacaglia/Fugue]
Bernstein - Symphony #1 "Jeremiah" - II "Profanation" Vivace con Brio
I don't think Schumann was American, and also, your spelling is atrocious. (Okay, I'm kidding! :lol: )

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by Chalkperson » Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:38 am

slofstra wrote:
Heck148 wrote:
piston wrote:"molto deliberato"
Copland's Third Symphony
Blows my mind away!

Dissenters?
Schuman Symhony #3 - I [Passacaglia/Fugue]
Bernstein - Symphony #1 "Jeremiah" - II "Profanation" Vivace con Brio
I don't think Schumann was American, and also, your spelling is atrocious. (Okay, I'm kidding! :lol: )
Well, at least you agree that Schumann is a joke... :mrgreen:
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by maestrob » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:31 am

Will nobody stand up for Sam Barber?

In a totally different mood, I'd rank his piano Concerto and Violin Concerto as having the most tuneful slow movements.

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Post by JackC » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:33 am

maestrob wrote:Will nobody stand up for Sam Barber?

In a totally different mood, I'd rank his piano Concerto and Violin Concerto as having the most tuneful slow movements.

I will, and the "Adagio" is a very powerful piece of music, even if it is popular!

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by johnQpublic » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:41 pm

The first movement of the Barber Piano Concerto is so powerful.

The last movement of Schuman's 8th symphony is a non-stop whirlwind.

The first movement of Rochberg's 2nd symphony is so angry and so granitic.

The final movement of Bernstein's Chichester Psalms is so jubilant.
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Post by Wallingford » Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:48 pm

Donaldopato wrote:Would you consider the Harris 3rd as one movement? If so that is my nomination.
Well, if so, I'd likely nominate Barber's First.
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by johnQpublic » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:46 am

I forgot the bluesy slow movement of Piston's 2nd symphony. The best lyrical movement he ever wrote.
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:32 pm

Wallingford wrote:I'd likely nominate Barber's First.
That's another good choice. If that symphony had been written in 1880 it would have been hailed as a masterpiece of the late Romantic era. However he wrote it in 1936; the cognoscenti at the time likely criticized it as overly conservative and derivative.

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Post by diegobueno » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:30 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote: That's another good choice. If that symphony had been written in 1880 it would have been hailed as a masterpiece of the late Romantic era. However he wrote it in 1936; the cognoscenti at the time likely criticized it as overly conservative and derivative.
If the Barber 1st had been written in 1880, it would have been seen as terribly dissonant, a miscalculation by someone who didn't know what he was doing. The themes are too angular, the orchestration too thin and the form too unorthodox. The integrated one-movement form needed the example of Sibelius' 7th (though it's not quite as thoroughly integrated as that). Today the impression we get of it is that of a juicy Romantic symphony (especially the lush opening of the slow section), and even in 1936 it must have seemed quite conservative, but the closer you look at the score the more details you're going to find that place it in the 1930s. The scherzo section, for instance, is very characteristic of what American composers were writing at that period: the staccato theme developed contrapuntally, without the strict, Bach-derived voice leading rules that still prevailed in 1880, the sudden bursts of hemiola.

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by stenka razin » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:37 pm

I nominate the finale, marked, 'Allegramente' from the great American composer Roger Sessions' Symphony No. 2. This 4 movement masterpiece was inspired by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. It is a very powerful orchestral score, sadly neglected today. :(
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by Steinway » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:41 am

I will add the fourth vote for the Schuman Passacaglia/Fugue.

Second choice for me is the first movement of the Hindemith Symphony in E Flat. It really stirs my blood everytime I hear it.

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by StephenSutton » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:09 pm

I'm going for the Harris Third too.. and as movements don't have to be orchestral I am juggling between Charles Ives piano sonatas and can't decide; but leaving aside higher aesthetic and going for pure fun and adrenaline, it has to be the Dog's Heaven movement from Paul Schoenfield's 'Four Parables' Piano Concerto; we play our recording in the music cafe here and customers love it.
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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by erato » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:56 am

The best movement by a US composer is Bernstein conducting. His moves are incredible.

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by val » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:49 am

The amazing 4th movement, "Largo maestoso" of Charles Ives Symphony n. 4.

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Re: The best ever movement by US composer?

Post by diegobueno » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:47 pm

val wrote:The amazing 4th movement, "Largo maestoso" of Charles Ives Symphony n. 4.
That really is quite breathtaking, especially as the culmination of the three preceding movements.

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