As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

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As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by dulcinea » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:00 pm

how did you react when you realised that the music of AV and his contemporaries bore hardly any resemblance to the Romantic style with which you were already familiar? Were you as stunned and delighted as I was when I first heard the now world famous GLORIA? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by jbuck919 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:13 pm

I cannot remember my first Vivaldi hearing, but I can remember my first Brahms hearing (which as you imply came way first). In case anyone is interested, it was high school and the First Symphony under Bruno Walter checked out of the library.

I have always considered the Gloria a disappointment: Not as good for what it is as instrumental Vivaldi is for what it is, which is pretty good.

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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:57 pm

jbuck919 wrote:I cannot remember my first Vivaldi hearing, but I can remember my first Brahms hearing (which as you imply came way first). In case anyone is interested, it was high school and the First Symphony under Bruno Walter checked out of the library.

I have always considered the Gloria a disappointment: Not as good for what it is as instrumental Vivaldi is for what it is, which is pretty good.
I agree, his Gloria has little substance...like bread without butter I think...
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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by Fergus » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:20 am

I always did things slightly differently and I was listening to Classical and Baroque music for a long time before I heard much of the Romantic repertoire....it is just the way it happened for me :D

In relation to Vivaldi’s Sacred Music in general I personally find it very appealing but I have found that it definitely is a case where the interpretation/version does make a difference.

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Post by Chalkperson » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:48 am

Fergus wrote:I always did things slightly differently and I was listening to Classical and Baroque music for a long time before I heard much of the Romantic repertoire....it is just the way it happened for me :D

In relation to Vivaldi’s Sacred Music in general I personally find it very appealing but I have found that it definitely is a case where the interpretation/version does make a difference.
Lots of it's very good, the Gloria gets recorded way to often, and, it pales in comparison to whatever it's coupled with...
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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by 7flat5 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:27 pm

dulcinea wrote:how did you react when you realised that the music of AV and his contemporaries bore hardly any resemblance to the Romantic style with which you were already familiar? Were you as stunned and delighted as I was when I first heard the now world famous GLORIA?
Like some others, I grew up with more 18th and 20th century music than I did 19th century. I only came to the romantic era after a lot of baroque. That having been said, I first heard the Gloria on a Christmas record by Shaw, in a romantic style, and it's more of a shock for me to hear it in period garb than to hear it in a juicy romantic sauce. So, I guess I can't relate to this on several fronts. Your delight is, however, ... delightful.

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Post by Chalkperson » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:03 pm

Then you, Fergus, and myself all listened to music the same way when we started... :D :D :D
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Post by Fergus » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:07 am

Chalkperson wrote:Then you, Fergus, and myself all listened to music the same way when we started... :D :D :D
And I thought that I was normal....I still struggle to come to terms with a lot of the Romantic era :roll:

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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by val » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:21 am

I think you are talking about the Gloria RV 589 (and not 527). As far as I know Vivaldi composed two Gloria, one in 1713 (the RV 589) the other (the RV 588, more obscur) in 1717.

The music is agreable but Vivaldi did better: the Nisi Dominus RV 608, the Stabat Mater RV 621 and the little motet Longe mala umbrae terrores RV 629. The two Dixit Dominus are also very good (but, in my opinion, not better than the famous Gloria RV 589).

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Post by diegobueno » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:41 am

My first exposure to Vivaldi was the Concerto Grosso in D minor (no. 11 from L'estro armonico) recorded in a gussied-up arrangement that made it sound not too much different from Brahms. By the time I heard it straight, I was listening to music much farther removed (on both chronological ends) from the 19th century romantics. I remember the first time I heard The Four Seasons I thought "so this is what all the fuss is about????"

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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by mcq » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:54 pm

Personally, I that Vivaldi's sacred music is superior to his instrumental music. I've always loved Robert King's complete set on Hyperion. Such beautiful music.

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Post by Fergus » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:49 pm

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I have a number of those individual CDs and I hope to collect them all as I too think that King's versions of this music was indeed very good.

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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by Wallingford » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:30 pm

If the Vivaldi Gloria (i.e., the one that's generally regarded as the Gloria) is really lacking in musical substance, then let me declare myself here and now a musical junk-food junkie.
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Post by Chalkperson » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:55 pm

val wrote:The music is agreable but Vivaldi did better: the Nisi Dominus RV 608, the Stabat Mater RV 621 and the little motet Longe mala umbrae terrores RV 629. The two Dixit Dominus are also very good (but, in my opinion, not better than the famous Gloria RV 589).
Nobody comes close to Handel for Dixit Dominus, once heard it's difficult to listen to Vivaldi's version without thinking of The Big Aitch... :wink:

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Re: As I Listen to Vivaldi's RV527, I Ask You:

Post by Fergus » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:01 am

In relation to Vivaldi's Gloria I actually prefer the Gloria RV588 to the more popular RV589; RV588 is more gentle and contains some hauntingly beautiful music.

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