Ah, I miss so many of our posts :-(

Post by **Lance** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:46 pm

What a pity. Cannot cry over spilt milk.

RebLem · Post by **RebLem** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:17 pm

Lance wrote:What a pity. Cannot cry over spilt milk.

You can if you rejected offers of a good, tight lid.

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:46 pm

Give Lance a break, guys.

As a forum admin myself (not here), it was a reminder of how important the corporate memory of a forum is. Books on running fora mention running backups to different locations so that if one back up fails you have a back up of the back up. Books recommend you do this daily. Not that I have been that good myself at housekeeping....

Maybe I should...

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:05 pm

RebLem wrote:
Lance wrote:What a pity. Cannot cry over spilt milk.
You can if you rejected offers of a good, tight lid.

How many times did you turn down my offer to help Moderate and Administrate the Site, I would have Backed Up CMG on a Daily Basis and you would have lost nothing, now you have lost me as well as all the Posts...

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:12 pm

Give Lance a break, guys.

If you have suggestions about how to run the forum, why don't you PM him instead of challenging his running of the forum in public. It's hard enough being an admin without this sort of thing.

some guy · Post by **some guy** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:01 pm

Plus, how many of our post are all that damned important?

I mean really now. Come on.

arthound · Post by **arthound** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:07 pm

Sator wrote:Give Lance a break, guys.

If you have suggestions about how to run the forum, why don't you PM him instead of challenging his running of the forum in public. It's hard enough being an admin without this sort of thing.

I agree. Lance has done so many wonderful things with this site and if a mistake has been made I am sure he will learn from it. I also think that any suggestions/complaints are best directed to him via a PM.

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:13 am

Lance,

I am extremely grateful to you for creating and maintaining this site.

John F · Post by **John F** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:29 am

Yeah, lay off. Enough's enough.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:04 am

>Cannot cry over spilt milk<

If only you'd acknowledge I have over 3000 posts instead of my reduced number of 1608 I could forgive you! Just kidding, just kidding!

Well could you give me a projection--with Chalkie leaving how long will it take me to catch him message totals!

What I can't forgive you for is not organizing more NYC forum dinners!

And I won't forgive Chalkie if he leaves us!

Regards, Len

josé echenique · Post by **josé echenique** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:03 am

If the Italians rebuilt La Fenice after it burned (and not for the first time), we can certainly do the same for the Forum. After all, we keep talking about Bruckner, Solti, Contemporary Music or Johann Sebastian Bach all the time, so sooner or later all the information will come back.
I would hate to see Chalkie leave because he´s the soul of the party and hates Rattle just like me.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:29 am

John F wrote:Yeah, lay off. Enough's enough.

It's my opinion and I am entitled to air it, this is in Lance's Thread and I wrote it because he probably did not see the other Threads in which I announced my quitting the Site in Protest, Pepe's right, without me CMG will have no sense of humor, it will be boring and dull...just like most people consider Classical Sites and Classical Music Lovers to be...

absinthe · Post by **absinthe** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:42 am

Chalkperson wrote:
John F wrote:Yeah, lay off. Enough's enough.
It's my opinion and I am entitled to air it, this is in Lance's Thread and I wrote it because he probably did not see the other Threads in which I announced my quitting the Site in Protest, Pepe's right, without me CMG will have no sense of humor, it will be boring and dull...just like most people consider Classical Sites and Classical Music Lovers to be...

(Raising brow, shrugging slowly) You're right. Humour isn't exactly a strength of classical music people - well, some brass players are ok.

stenka razin · Post by **stenka razin** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:09 pm

Lance, thank you for giving us this forum. Though many of us lost valuable posts, life will go on. Do not worry about something that is now beyond your control. With time all will be forgotten and new and better posts will take the place of ones that sadly vanished. So are the mysterious ways that computers treat us. Here today and gone tommorow. I support you 100% my dear friend. Take us on a joyous CMG ride into the future. It starts right now,m8.

Regards,
Mel

IcedNote · Post by **IcedNote** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:35 pm

I support Lance, and I will continue to ask dumb questions to drive this forum forward.

-G

Teresa B · Post by **Teresa B** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:51 pm

IcedNote wrote:I support Lance, and I will continue to ask dumb questions to drive this forum forward.

-G

Hear, hear!

Teresa

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:07 pm

>without me CMG will have no sense of humor<

Wait a second--I've been accused of being a jester! Regards, Len Rigoletto

josé echenique · Post by **josé echenique** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:39 pm

Lenny is funny, but Chalkie is rude AND funny which is even better

arepo · Post by **arepo** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:32 pm

The one that keeps harping that he is leaving never seems to leave!

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:19 pm

arepo wrote:The one that keeps harping that he is leaving never seems to leave!

Have you seen me comment in any other Threads? anyway, I certainly don't want people thinking i'm not grateful to Lance, after all I have a great many friends here, especially Lance and Corlyss, plus, 17,000 Posts is, like, an awful lot...Resigning is to point out a problem, and it's why I have done it, CMG is awesome, we all know that...but, like a bad penny, maybe i'll show up and insult a few people/artists and their tastes again one day...

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:21 pm

lennygoran wrote:>without me CMG will have no sense of humor<

Wait a second--I've been accused of being a jester! Regards, Len Rigoletto

Accused, maybe, but has it been proven...

slofstra · Post by **slofstra** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:25 pm

Having worked in the I/T industry for many years I've had to bear my share of disapprobation. (One of the worst was when one of my techs, this is 30 years ago, wiped out a company's inventory files by mistake, loaded the backup tape to recover, and then, instead of typing in the recovery command, issued the command to backup the now empty inventory file over top of the backup. That was a bad week.) The storms always blow by; live and learn.
And it's okay for people to vent and blow off some steam too.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:14 am

>Lenny is funny, but Chalkie is rude AND funny which is even better <

Yeah, I concede that! Regards, Len

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:16 am

>Accused, maybe, but has it been proven...<

Stay in the forum--I'll try harder! Regards, Len

Seán · Post by **Seán** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:20 am

Chalkperson wrote:
John F wrote:Yeah, lay off. Enough's enough.
It's my opinion and I am entitled to air it, this is in Lance's Thread and I wrote it because he probably did not see the other Threads in which I announced my quitting the Site in Protest, Pepe's right, without me CMG will have no sense of humor, it will be boring and dull...just like most people consider Classical Sites and Classical Music Lovers to be...

Chalkie, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I, for one, am very sorry to see you go. I hope that you do retain your membership and perhaps you will return later with your words of wisdom and wit. We shall miss you.

Take care.

Seán

Seán · Post by **Seán** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:53 am

josé echenique wrote:If the Italians rebuilt La Fenice after it burned (and not for the first time), we can certainly do the same for the Forum. After all, we keep talking about Bruckner, Solti, Contemporary Music or Johann Sebastian Bach all the time, so sooner or later all the information will come back.
I would hate to see Chalkie leave because he´s the soul of the party and hates Rattle just like me.

I, too, find his (Mahler) performances very poor indeed. I'm not a fan either.

arepo · Post by **arepo** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:08 pm

What really fries my gut is that those who claim to care so much about "the disaster" have a perverse need to voice themselves online instead of privately e-mailing Lance with their disappointments.
It's called "grandstanding" to their "fans."
It lacks sincerity and tends to be hubristic.

John F · Post by **John F** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:36 am

arepo wrote:What really fries my gut is that those who claim to care so much about "the disaster" have a perverse need to voice themselves online instead of privately e-mailing Lance with their disappointments.
It's called "grandstanding" to their "fans."
It lacks sincerity and tends to be hubristic.

Let's not impugn people's motives and sincerety. That's incivility big time, and Classical Music Guide doesn't need it.

absinthe · Post by **absinthe** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:49 am

Agreed. The last thing Lance wants on holiday, surely, is an inundation of emails and carrying on any number of dialogues about the mishap. Far better for users to comment here where others can contest a comment or expand on it, and Lance can give probably a single response.

As for lacks sincerity and grandstanding, that's bollocks.
In most cases people were sinply asking what happened and hoping for an explanation and the likelihood of a resolution. Lance being away or not, members naturally asked here. It's always been the way. What's grandstanding about that?

arepo · Post by **arepo** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:54 am

absinthe wrote:Agreed. The last thing Lance wants on holiday, surely, is an inundation of emails and carrying on any number of dialogues about the mishap. Far better for users to comment here where others can contest a comment or expand on it, and Lance can give probably a single response.

As for lacks sincerity and grandstanding, that's bollocks.
In most cases people were sinply asking what happened and hoping for an explanation and the likelihood of a resolution. Lance being away or not, members naturally asked here. It's always been the way. What's grandstanding about that?

Sorry if you think it is "bollocks". To me, when someone keeps harping to the masses that they are fed up and are leaving, but don't leave, to me that's grandstanding in the highest degree for attention.

Seán · Post by **Seán** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:28 am

arepo wrote:
absinthe wrote:Agreed. The last thing Lance wants on holiday, surely, is an inundation of emails and carrying on any number of dialogues about the mishap. Far better for users to comment here where others can contest a comment or expand on it, and Lance can give probably a single response.

As for lacks sincerity and grandstanding, that's bollocks.
In most cases people were sinply asking what happened and hoping for an explanation and the likelihood of a resolution. Lance being away or not, members naturally asked here. It's always been the way. What's grandstanding about that?
Sorry if you think it is "bollocks". To me, when someone keeps harping to the masses that they are fed up and are leaving, but don't leave, to me that's grandstanding in the highest degree for attention.

Read his posts, his reasons for leaving and what would have encouraged him to stay. Relax, he's gone, happy now?

Seán · Post by **Seán** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:32 am

John F wrote:
arepo wrote:What really fries my gut is that those who claim to care so much about "the disaster" have a perverse need to voice themselves online instead of privately e-mailing Lance with their disappointments.
It's called "grandstanding" to their "fans."
It lacks sincerity and tends to be hubristic.
Let's not impugn people's motives and sincerety. That's incivility big time, and Classical Music Guide doesn't need it.

Correct, it's pub talk.

HoustonDavid · Post by **HoustonDavid** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:09 pm

To those "newbies" and forgetful "vets", some of what was lost during the posts
from the last seven months, was my friend Chalkie's personal and health issues,
which he bravely talked about here. It is not easy to be so honest in public.

As for Lance, he is not an IT guru, he relies on IT gurus like most people, and his
IT guru is the guy that lost the data for want of the classic IT maneuver called
"BACKUP YOUR FILES then proceed with changing the code."

Drowning Lance with PM's on a subject he can't technically talk to is ridiculous.
First of all, he's on vacation in Europe for crying out loud, and secondly, read the
second paragraph. If ya want to fight about it, do it here, not in poor Lance's
PM's, which I'm sure are full nearly any given day without dealing with missing files.

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:11 pm

Agreed! Let's not pretend that any of us are here to publish our deathless prose of wisdom. Yes, I've enjoyed reading many posts here, and I continue to be grateful to Lance for providing this platform for discussion.

And along the way I've met many valued friends, among whom I'll pick out Chalkie for the moment - bot for the way he's kept us posted on the progress of Kevin, the wounded warrior, and the way he's offered to be helpful to CMG. I certainly hope that his and Starr's health problems are a matter of the past, and that we can look forward to his usual helpful and vluable participation.

And if I've left out my other great friends for the moment, you know who you are!

I takle it that the problems the site has encountered is an IT problem. Not many among us are IT gurus - certainly not I - but I hope that through this transition our old friendshipe and associations will continue to grow.

Steinway · Post by **Steinway** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:13 pm

I would like to express my sincere appreciation to Lance for making this website available for our enjoyment.

I don't feel any sense of loss from the fact that my posts have been lost in the maze of the internet and never felt that my comments were more than what they were, hardly worthy of such value that their disappearance troubles me.

Again, I'm sorry to see that Lance is apparently the target for some frustrated contributors and hope that he'll be back soon and continue to do what I consider to be a fine service for all of us who participate in this forum.

Let's move on, please.

John F · Post by **John F** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:04 pm

Lance is our host and we are his guests here. Let's not make him regret it.

Agnes Selby · Post by **Agnes Selby** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:27 pm

John F wrote:Lance is our host and we are his guests here. Let's not make him regret it.

You are absolutely right, John !

Have a nice holiday, Lance, you deserve it.

HoustonDavid · Post by **HoustonDavid** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:22 am

If it weren't for Lance and the regrettably absent Corlyss, this website would not
exist and we are in his debt for his contributions and site management and
and administration on our behalf.

May I add my thanks to Lance and wish him a great vacation now that the site is up
and running, absent a few posts and new members whom we hope will soon return.

barney · Post by **barney** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:05 am

OK, I've been away again. What disaster? What's happened? We've lost some threads?

And cos of that Chalkie's leaving?

This is all very odd....

barney · Post by **barney** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:06 am

I can't remember how many posts I had. Probably 10,000, and 9126 have gone? I say how lucky everyone is. Actually, I don't think I'd got to 1000 yet.

John F · Post by **John F** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:11 am

barney wrote:OK, I've been away again. What disaster? What's happened? We've lost some threads?

Every single message posted here since January. All because no backup was made in the last 6 months, and in all that time, nobody realized that it wasn't being made.

Chalkie's repeatedly threatened to leave, but he still posts now and then, so I hope he's still with us. He's told us that he has serious health problems to work through, and these had already cut down his participation, but when he's better, maybe he'll get up to speed again.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:23 am

>but when he's better, maybe he'll get up to speed again<

Yes and maybe with a better sense of judgement on music--he already caved on his dislike for Caballe--can Meyerbeer be far behind! Regards, Len [out of here]

John F · Post by **John F** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:51 am

lennygoran wrote:>but when he's better, maybe he'll get up to speed again<

Yes and maybe with a better sense of judgement on music--he already caved on his dislike for Caballe--can Meyerbeer be far behind!

That's about as likely as that you'll do the same, right?

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:18 am

(That's about as likely as that you'll do the same, right? )

Actually it's quite likely-he reversed on Caballe-while she's great and he finally saw the light, in the long run Meyerbeer's operas are an even greater more unique achievement and I'm confident he'll come around. I can't address the Rattle issue having very little knowledge of conductors. Len using blackberry because of all the thunder and lightning-what an astonishing rain
(That's about as likely as that you'll do the same, right? )

Actually it's quite likely-he reversed on Caballe-while she's great and he finally saw the light, in the long run Meyerbeer's operas are an even greater more unique achievement and I'm confident he'll come around. I can't address the Rattle issue having very little knowledge of conductors. Len using blackberry because of all the thunder and lightning-what an astonishing rain

karlhenning · Post by **karlhenning** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:34 am

John F wrote:
barney wrote:OK, I've been away again. What disaster? What's happened? We've lost some threads?
Every single message posted here since January. All because no backup was made in the last 6 months, and in all that time, nobody realized that it wasn't being made.

Well, those who realized that no back-up was being made, gave advice on that head which was disregarded.

But most of us (myself included) did not realize, that's certainly true enow.

Cheers,
~Karl

slofstra · Post by **slofstra** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:10 pm

lennygoran wrote:(That's about as likely as that you'll do the same, right? )

Actually it's quite likely-he reversed on Caballe-while she's great and he finally saw the light, in the long run Meyerbeer's operas are an even greater more unique achievement and I'm confident he'll come around. I can't address the Rattle issue having very little knowledge of conductors. Len using blackberry because of all the thunder and lightning-what an astonishing rain
(That's about as likely as that you'll do the same, right? )

Actually it's quite likely-he reversed on Caballe-while she's great and he finally saw the light, in the long run Meyerbeer's operas are an even greater more unique achievement and I'm confident he'll come around. I can't address the Rattle issue having very little knowledge of conductors. Len using blackberry because of all the thunder and lightning-what an astonishing rain

Caballe can do astonishing things with her voice, but in general something about her singing makes me shudder. If I listened to a youtube clip I could identify the exact moments at which she does this.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:59 pm

>If I listened to a youtube clip I could identify the exact moments at which she does this.<

This would greatly interest me--if you find an example I hope you'll let us know. Regards, Len

John F · Post by **John F** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:03 am

karlhenning wrote:Well, those who realized that no back-up was being made, gave advice on that head which was disregarded.

Lance didn't realize it, his techie didn't realize it, and neither did anybody else. They assumed the ISP's automated backup system was working and actually making backups, as it did until early this year. Some, notably Chalkie, did indeed recommend making an additional backup as fail-safe against the system's failure, and now we know it would have been better if their recommendations had been heeded. Maybe they will be now.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:03 am

>Lance didn't realize it, his techie didn't realize it, and neither did anybody else. .. Maybe they will be now.<

You know it's a pity--I was out there in Cooperstown for the superb Medea and it wouldn't have taken me that long to get to Binghamton--I'm sure Lance and me working together could have gotten this straightened out! Regards, Len

barney · Post by **barney** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:46 am

ok, thanks for the heads up. Obviously that is rather tragic.

When I come back from my frequent absences, I love going through the archives.

Still, at least the forum is still going and hasn't died. I'm grateful for that.

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