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I had to share this

Post by jbuck919 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:09 pm

I don't know how, but I stumbled on this performance of the second movement from Bach's unique cantata Christ lag in Todesbanden. I have never known it to be performed by two boys, as it would have been under Bach himself, and certainly never by two boys who sing like this. I hope you will forgive me for indulging my enthusiasm, and perhaps a few of you may also find it enjoyable.


There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Re: I had to share this

Post by Werner » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:51 pm

Beauitifully done! Thanks, John, for finding this and picking it up for us.
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Post by alarickc » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:03 am

Beautiful, just beautiful. Thanks for sharing. :)
"Private human life is anything but dull. On the contrary, it is far too interesting. The troublesome thing about it is that it has no real conventions, makes no inner sense. Anything can happen. It is mysterious, unpredictable, unrehearsable. Professional life is not mysterious at all. The whole music world understands music. Any musician can give to another comprehensible rendition of practically any piece. If there is anything either of them don't understand, there are always plenty of people they can consult about it.
Private life, on the other hand, is beset by a thousand insoluble crises, from unrequited love to colds in the head. Nobody, literally nobody, knows how to avoid any of them. Religion itself can only counsel patience and long-suffering. It is like a nightmare of being forced to execute at sight a score much too difficult for one's training on an instrument nobody know's how to tune and before a public that isn't listening anyway." -Virgil Thomson

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Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:23 am

i like this
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Post by maestrob » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:25 am

Thanks, John, for sharing. Beautifully done. That's some of my favorite music.

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Re: I had to share this

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:50 pm

Here is another recent "find," and I put that in quotes because I actually hunted this one down. On some Christmas Eve in the 90s I came home from playing two demanding church services, the second one having started at 11:00 p.m. Absolutely exhausted but not wanting to go to bed, I turned on the TV and found a performance of--you guessed it--Messiah from a church somewhere in the Netherlands. I caught only the tail end, but it had the most astonishing performance of the number "If God be for us, who can be against us?" That movement has always puzzled me. First, it seems not to belong where it is, or maybe in Messiah at all. Mozart didn't know what to do with it either and turned it into a simple recitative in his arrangement. Second, it just never quite hung together for me, the way several other numbers in Messiah do not--they seem to lack an over-arching structure or consistent inspiration or something.

Anyway, I do not know what the HIP justification for this might be, but in this performance the movement was treated as an intimate chamber piece in the manner of an aria from a Bach cantata, with a solo violin supplying the ritornello instead of the whole section. Needless to say, that really makes it unique in Messiah. But I could not believe what a difference it makes--really a whole new experience of the piece, and a most joyful way to end my Christmas Eve. Well, the splendid performance of the following concluding chorus didn't hurt.

Oops, it can't be embedded. You'll have to watch it on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntmA1Xc8mUI

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Post by jbuck919 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:15 pm

I perceive that I have had many readers, though few have responded (not intended as a reproach). So I will do this once more, and then retire from this mood for the time being. Also at that church in Maryland, the music director, normally given to the higher end of utility music common to very capable amateur church choirs, decided she wanted to do a Bach cantata, and left the research to me. I settled on number 38, "Aus tiefer Not," which was just within reach of the forces we had without committing a crime against art. There is a trio in that cantata that sounds in recorded performances as though it were being tossed off in the most matter-of-fact manner. In fact, it is an intricate and captivating number that corresponds to little in the rest of Bach's vast output in this form, a wondrous and evanescent moment of music, a gem. In my choir, two or three sang a part. Hours were spent rehearsing this, which several swore was the most difficult music they had ever sung. As an aside, I do not know who did the figured bass realizations for the Kalmus edition of the Bach cantatas, but he was an ace. It is not the realization you will hear, but it was a joy, a thrill, to play in this movement--a musical high point of my life. (We performed it in English, Gottseidank.)


There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Post by lennygoran » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:47 am

( (not intended as a reproach). So I will do this once more, and then retire from this mood for the time being.)

Yeah but you've made me feel so deficient-of all the great composers bach is the one I've spent the least time with-he just doesn't grab me like mozart, beethoven,brahms, verdi, schubert, wagner. I'm so jealous of how familiar with all the little intricacies of bach's work that are at your fingertips. Len

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Post by alarickc » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:52 am

Please don't stop sharing! I love Bach and the two videos you posted were both delightful. The trio of voices on that last one was beautiful. :D
"Private human life is anything but dull. On the contrary, it is far too interesting. The troublesome thing about it is that it has no real conventions, makes no inner sense. Anything can happen. It is mysterious, unpredictable, unrehearsable. Professional life is not mysterious at all. The whole music world understands music. Any musician can give to another comprehensible rendition of practically any piece. If there is anything either of them don't understand, there are always plenty of people they can consult about it.
Private life, on the other hand, is beset by a thousand insoluble crises, from unrequited love to colds in the head. Nobody, literally nobody, knows how to avoid any of them. Religion itself can only counsel patience and long-suffering. It is like a nightmare of being forced to execute at sight a score much too difficult for one's training on an instrument nobody know's how to tune and before a public that isn't listening anyway." -Virgil Thomson

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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:50 pm

lennygoran wrote:( (not intended as a reproach). So I will do this once more, and then retire from this mood for the time being.)

Yeah but you've made me feel so deficient-of all the great composers bach is the one I've spent the least time with-he just doesn't grab me like mozart, beethoven,brahms, verdi, schubert, wagner. I'm so jealous of how familiar with all the little intricacies of bach's work that are at your fingertips. Len
I must tell you that I know more about Bach and his music than all the other composers put together, and that situation is also not as it should be, for it reflects a lifetime of insufficient attention to much great music.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Post by lennygoran » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:58 pm

>for it reflects a lifetime of insufficient attention to much great music.<

Oh and I forgot Donizetti! Regards, Len [fleeing but at least back with verizon and my trusty Dell pc]

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Post by John F » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:43 pm

lennygoran wrote:of all the great composers bach is the one I've spent the least time with-he just doesn't grab me like mozart, beethoven,brahms, verdi, schubert, wagner. I'm so jealous of how familiar with all the little intricacies of bach's work that are at your fingertips. Len
That just means you have so much Bach still to discover. Since you favor vocal music, here's an aria from one of his cantatas that might appeal to you. Janet Baker is singing.

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Post by lennygoran » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:06 pm

>an aria from one of his cantatas that might appeal to you. Janet Baker is singing.<

Yes this was just wonderful--I don't usually hear Bach like this. And the visuals they showed while she was singing were lovely--and Baker--when she sings Donizetti heaven!!! Thanks. Regards, Len

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Post by diegobueno » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:13 am

jbuck919 wrote:I perceive that I have had many readers, though few have responded (not intended as a reproach).



I am one of those who has read but not responded, mainly because I didn't think I had anything interesting to say (I know that's never stopped me before, but...)

You chose well. That trio is a gem, and like all Bach, it's an exercise in holding your own. I can imagine all the rehearsal you would have put into it.

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Re: I had to share this

Post by arepo » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:46 pm

jbuck919 wrote:I don't know how, but I stumbled on this performance of the second movement from Bach's unique cantata Christ lag in Todesbanden. I have never known it to be performed by two boys, as it would have been under Bach himself, and certainly never by two boys who sing like this. I hope you will forgive me for indulging my enthusiasm, and perhaps a few of you may also find it enjoyable.

Totally exquisite.
Many thanks for this touching piece.

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