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Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by Jared » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:00 am

I have been toying with the idea of purchasing a set of the Mozart VCs, played on period (ish) instruments, as at present my only two sets are the Grumiaux and the Mutter sets. at present, I see three possible candidates:

Standage/ Hogwood/ AAM (Sony)
Zehetmair/ Bruggen/ Orch 18th Cent (Glossa)
Huggett/ OAE (Virgin)

Does anyone have any feelings about these three offerings, or is there a 4th set I should be considering?

Many thanks for your help.

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by arthound » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:46 am

Hi Jared

I only have Zehetmair from that list and he is very good - if a little too refined IMO.

This is my favourite at the moment:

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by Ted Quanrud » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:09 am

Hi Jared --

I urge you to investigate this:

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by josé echenique » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:25 am

I would vote for Zehetmair/Brüggen, beautifully played and recorded, The Orchestra of the XVIII Century just can´t be beaten in Mozart, but the Carmignola/Abbado is also excellent and is much less expensive.
The charming Huggett/OAE served well for many years but now it´s outclassed by the first mentioned.
I´m not a great fan of the Standage/Hogwood though.

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Post by Jared » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:00 am

josé echenique wrote:I would vote for Zehetmair/Brüggen, beautifully played and recorded, The Orchestra of the XVIII Century just can´t be beaten in Mozart, but the Carmignola/Abbado is also excellent and is much less expensive.
The charming Huggett/OAE served well for many years but now it´s outclassed by the first mentioned.
I´m not a great fan of the Standage/Hogwood though.
thank you my friend, that's just the sort of post I wanted, as it confirmed some of my thoughts... Standage is otherwise superb, but this set simply doesn't have universal praise... the Huggett is as you say 20 years old and has generally good, although slightly mixed reviews, whereas the Zehetmair seems well liked, although I must admit I was slightly put off by one review on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Concert ... 784&sr=8-1

I don't know what you make of this review, Jose?

Anyway, I have just bought the Zehetamir for an incredible £3.49 new and sealed... there is still (at least) one other going at the same price from the same supplier, if anyone's interested...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listin ... dition=new

Finally, I have considered the Carmignola, which again certainly has its detractors:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Violin-C ... 948&sr=1-1

which is kind of why I started the thread... anyway I've purchased now, and will give it consideration in due course...

thanks folks... :D 8)

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Post by josé echenique » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:21 am

Dear Jared,

I think the reviewer was just disappointed that Brüggen didn´t conduct all the concertos, but I´m sure that if Brüggen let Zehetmair do the job, it´s because he was up to it.
Quite frankly I don´t think that the ¨temperature drops" when he is conducting from the violin (as Mozart surely did).
Ignore the reviews and just listen to the cds, I´ll be surprised if you are not enthralled.

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Post by Jared » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:46 am

josé echenique wrote:Dear Jared,

I think the reviewer was just disappointed that Brüggen didn´t conduct all the concertos, but I´m sure that if Brüggen let Zehetmair do the job, it´s because he was up to it.
Quite frankly I don´t think that the ¨temperature drops" when he is conducting from the violin (as Mozart surely did).
Ignore the reviews and just listen to the cds, I´ll be surprised if you are not enthralled.
thank you my friend... that makes me feel a whole lot more reassured... :D

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by slofstra » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:01 am

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You should really look at the reviews for this release. This is one of my favourite recordings, period, and anything else I have (Mutter, Oistrakh) leaves me cold by comparison.
One of the reasons this recording sounds so great is that Ehnes hand-picked a small number of crack orchestral players to accompany him, resulting in very fleet, tight ensemble playing. It may not be period performance, but the style is influenced by period performance.
I'm definitely "not a fan" of Bruggen in general. The recordings of his that I have heard, have a certain sound, the attack or bite at the beginning of the line or note, that I'm beginning to find a cliche in period instrument performance.

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Post by Jared » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:09 am

slofstra wrote:Image

You should really look at the reviews for this release. This is one of my favourite recordings, period, and anything else I have (Mutter, Oistrakh) leaves me cold by comparison.
One of the reasons this recording sounds so great is that Ehnes hand-picked a small number of crack orchestral players to accompany him, resulting in very fleet, tight ensemble playing. It may not be period performance, but the style is influenced by period performance.
I'm definitely "not a fan" of Bruggen in general. The recordings of his that I have heard, have a certain sound, the attack or bite at the beginning of the line or note, that I'm beginning to find a cliche in period instrument performance.
thanks for the recommendation, and will be born in mind for future purchases... if your interested, my Mutter set wil be going on ebay when I've enjoyed the replacement. For Bruggen, well I'm quite a fan.. LOVE his Beethoven, and his Schubert 1-6 is excellent (less said about 8&9 the better, mind).

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Post by stenka razin » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:09 pm

Jared, may I put in a good word for the great Thomas Zehetmair, too? He is excellent in these lovely Mozart Violin Concertos and enthusiastically recommended, my friend. 8)


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Mel 8) 8)
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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by rogch » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:08 am

I have the Huggett/OAE set on disc and i am quite satisfied with it. Perhaps they play a little safe, that would be my only complaint. But i am glad to have these recordings in my collection. Unfortunately i have no other period instrument performances to compare them with. I have planned to by one or two more (Abbado comes to mind), but they are still on my wish-list.

Mozart's violin concertos must be some of his most underrated works. Everytime i listen to them i discover something new. And different recordings reveal different qualities.
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"Mozart is the most inaccessible of the great masters"
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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by Jared » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:54 am

stenka razin wrote:Jared, may I put in a good word for the great Thomas Zehetmair, too? He is excellent in these lovely Mozart Violin Concertos and enthusiastically recommended, my friend. 8)


Regards,
Mel 8) 8)
thanks for your comments, Mel... as always, greatly appreciated... 8)

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by jbuck919 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:21 pm

If I am not too late here (I was without Internet service from last Friday until this morning):

In my opinion, an additional set of these works with original instruments is desirable only if you truly love them to the point of not being able to hear enough of them. With the exception of the Sinfonia Concertante, the Mozart violin concertos are not works of his great maturity, and there are many other compositions, starting maybe with the great operas, that would more merit owning multiple performances. All this is premised on the assumption that you are not, unlike our Chalkie of I hope temporary absence, a disposable income expert.

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by Jared » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:33 am

jbuck919 wrote:If I am not too late here (I was without Internet service from last Friday until this morning):

In my opinion, an additional set of these works with original instruments is desirable only if you truly love them to the point of not being able to hear enough of them. With the exception of the Sinfonia Concertante, the Mozart violin concertos are not works of his great maturity, and there are many other compositions, starting maybe with the great operas, that would more merit owning multiple performances. All this is premised on the assumption that you are not, unlike our Chalkie of I hope temporary absence, a disposable income expert.
I don't know what to say... I really don't like Mozart's Operas (really, I've tried Don Giovanni, Magic Flute, Marriage of Figaro and find them all ridiculous), so I'm not likely to start collecting them any time soon. I do agree that his VCs aren't his most mature compositions, but I certainly find them interesting enough to want to own at least one version on period performance... I guess its horses for courses.

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Re: Mozart: Violin Concertos, Period Performances

Post by John F » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:54 am

The Mozart fanatic here says that though Mozart composed his violin concertos before full maturity - he was 19 - they contain music as beautiful as anything he ever wrote. The great violinists have made wonderful music with them, each in his or her own way, often with different cadenzas as Mozart left none of his own.



I rest my case.
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