Excuse Me???

Your 'hot spot' for all classical music subjects. Non-classical music subjects are to be posted in the Corner Pub.

Moderators: Lance, Corlyss_D

Post Reply
dulcinea
Posts: 3466
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:39 pm
Location: tampa, fl

Excuse Me???

Post by dulcinea » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:55 am

I have been reading several 10 GREATEST COMPOSERS lists, all of which omit Handel and Haydn.
Considering how their 2009 Bicentennials have revealed how TRULY GREAT the Two Hs are, such an omission is an EMPORUNG=OUTRAGE.
Let every thing that has breath praise the Lord! Alleluya!

some guy
Modern Music Specialist
Posts: 1625
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:00 am
Location: portland, or
Contact:

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by some guy » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:46 pm

Ten greatest lists leave out a lot more people than just Haydn and Handel.

(Aren't all "greatest" lists an Empörung?)
"The public has got to stay in touch with the music of its time . . . for otherwise people will gradually come to mistrust music claimed to be the best."
--Viennese critic (1843)

Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood.
--Henry Miller

hangos
Posts: 983
Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:44 pm
Location: England

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by hangos » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:57 pm

dulcinea wrote:I have been reading several 10 GREATEST COMPOSERS lists, all of which omit Handel and Haydn.
Considering how their 2009 Bicentennials have revealed how TRULY GREAT the Two Hs are, such an omission is an EMPORUNG=OUTRAGE.
While we are in German mode ;
as Otto Klemperer said to Siegfried Wagner "Entsetzen Sie sich!"

Martin

absinthe
Posts: 3574
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:13 pm
Location: UK

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by absinthe » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:02 pm

You could have fooled me. Radio 3's "This week's composer" is Handle and the airwaves are riddled with the stuff, culminating in the messiah on Friday 23rd.

He was once featured on a set of commemorative stamps "British Composers". I mean, what?

As Berg once said to him, "Ist das der Divan, auf dem Ihre Musik geblutet hat?"

jbuck919
Military Band Specialist
Posts: 26382
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:15 pm
Location: Stony Creek, New York

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by jbuck919 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:32 pm

absinthe wrote:As Berg once said to [Handel],
:shock:

I think the problem some people have with Haydn and Handel is that they're just lacking some, I don't know, oomph factor, you know, a Don Giovanni or a Tristan und Isolde thrown in there. Lost in their sizing up is the consideration that there are not ten composers greater than either of those two.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

Chalkperson
Disposable Income Specialist
Posts: 17643
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:19 pm
Location: New York City
Contact:

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:43 pm

Polls + Lists = Yawns
Sent via Twitter by @chalkperson

some guy
Modern Music Specialist
Posts: 1625
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:00 am
Location: portland, or
Contact:

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by some guy » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:20 pm

Indeed.

Plus, a top ten list is really a top seven list, isn't it?

I mean, be fair, every top ten list will have the same three at or near the top. (Hmmm. Time for my nap.)
"The public has got to stay in touch with the music of its time . . . for otherwise people will gradually come to mistrust music claimed to be the best."
--Viennese critic (1843)

Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood.
--Henry Miller

THEHORN
Posts: 2544
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:57 am

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by THEHORN » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:38 pm

Don't get your panties in a bunch (not that you probably wear them anyway). These top ten lists are ridiculous .
How can you make an arbitrary list of ten composers and say that the others are not as great ?

THEHORN
Posts: 2544
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:57 am

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by THEHORN » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:40 pm

Oops ! I didn't realize that you were female, so my face is red ! No ribaldry intended !
I should have noticed that the thread was started by Dulcinea !








:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

living_stradivarius
Posts: 6633
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:41 pm
Location: California
Contact:

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by living_stradivarius » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:33 pm

You're excused :)
Image

John F
Posts: 19350
Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:41 am
Location: New York, NY

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by John F » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:18 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
absinthe wrote:As Berg once said to [Handel],
:shock:

I think the problem some people have with Haydn and Handel is that they're just lacking some, I don't know, oomph factor, you know, a Don Giovanni or a Tristan und Isolde thrown in there. Lost in their sizing up is the consideration that there are not ten composers greater than either of those two.
Or maybe it's just that there's only room in popular awareness for one great composer per generation: Bach not Handel, Mozart not Haydn, Beethoven not Schubert, Wagner or Brahms but not both and definitely not Verdi. We're a little more broad-minded here.
John Francis

rogch
Posts: 442
Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:10 am
Location: Tønsberg, Norway

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by rogch » Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:32 pm

I wouldn't say Händel is one of the top 10 composers ever. He is definitely a great composer, but i wouldn't put him in my top 10. Haydn could end up in my top 10 list. These lists will always be disputed of course. I don't think they are hopeless or meaningless to make, but it is difficult.
Roger Christensen

"Mozart is the most inaccessible of the great masters"
Artur Schnabel

slofstra
Posts: 8900
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:23 pm
Location: Waterloo, ON, Canada
Contact:

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by slofstra » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:09 pm

Not only Handel or Haydn! There are at least 20 or so composers that should be in anyone's top 10 list.

absinthe
Posts: 3574
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:13 pm
Location: UK

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by absinthe » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:13 pm

At least some of Handle's fame was down to King Geo I hiring him for a few gigs.

I heard told that his original name was George Handle, handle being one of those slave names, like Gunn, frinstance, that the hunter would call when wanting his gun. So with Handle, he was called whenever the King wanted someone to crank his music machine. Handle had it changed to Handel when unable to accept the title of music slave because by then he was subsidised by the taxpayers.

I don't know it it's true but I think he did have a composing machine that eventually found its way to Rossini....

dulcinea
Posts: 3466
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:39 pm
Location: tampa, fl

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by dulcinea » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:50 pm

How about this:
instead of a list of 10, how about a game of musical alphabets?
I'll start with the 10 Bs:
JS Bach
Bartok
Beethoven
Berlioz
Biber
Boccherini
Brahms
Britten
Bruckner
Byrd;
the 5 Ms:
Mahler
Mendelssohn
Milhaud
Monteverdi
Mozart
(Messiaen?);
and the 4 Vs:
Vaughan-Williams
Verdi
Victoria
Vivaldi
(Varese?)
Your turn.
Let every thing that has breath praise the Lord! Alleluya!

jbuck919
Military Band Specialist
Posts: 26382
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:15 pm
Location: Stony Creek, New York

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by jbuck919 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:53 pm

dulcinea wrote:How about this:
instead of a list of 10, how about a game of musical alphabets?
I'll start with the 10 Bs:
JS Bach
Bartok
Beethoven
Berlioz
Biber
Boccherini
Brahms
Britten
Bruckner
Byrd;
the 5 Ms:
Mahler
Mendelssohn
Milhaud
Monteverdi
Mozart
(Messiaen?);
and the 4 Vs:
Vaughan-Williams
Verdi
Victoria
Vivaldi
(Varese?)
Your turn.
What?
Xenax, please.
Yawn
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
:wink:
Last edited by jbuck919 on Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

Werner
CMG's Elder Statesman
Posts: 4223
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:23 pm
Location: Irvington, NY

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by Werner » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:13 pm

As most of you know, I don't believe in numerical rankings of this sort, so i won't play in this game.

My only purpose in this post is to remind Absinthe that G. F.'s original handle was GEORG FRIEDERICH HÄDNDEL, as you undoubtedly already knew.
Werner Isler

some guy
Modern Music Specialist
Posts: 1625
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:00 am
Location: portland, or
Contact:

Re: Excuse Me???

Post by some guy » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:03 am

Typo alert
"The public has got to stay in touch with the music of its time . . . for otherwise people will gradually come to mistrust music claimed to be the best."
--Viennese critic (1843)

Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood.
--Henry Miller

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 25 guests