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They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by dulcinea » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:30 am

A memory from the 70s that still makes me murderous mad is that an almanac, in an article dedicated to famous composers and their works, identified Haydn as the author of ONE work, the Surprise Symphony.
I can't accept that a writer on music would be so ignorant as not to know:
The Creation
The Seasons
The Seven Last Words of Christ
the six last Masses
the Paris Symphonies
the full set of the London Symphonies
the LARK Quartet
the EMPEROR Quartet
the Concerto for Keyed Trumpet
among many MANY other masterpieces!
Reading the posts of this site shows me that there are many famous authors whose bulk of work is also terribly neglected; for ex, I was amazed at finding that Donizetti wrote 75 operas--much more than the worn out ELIXIR, DAUGHTER and LUCIA. Since you know this kind of information so well, could you please recommend me pieces worth rediscovering? At present I'm trying to listen to as much Rossini as possible; believe me when I tell you that he is far more than the author of THE BARBER and the WILLIAM TELL and GAZZA LADRA overtures!
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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by RebLem » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:03 am

Reminds me of the history textbook I was forced to practice teach from that said Frederick the Great was the last absolute monarch in Europe. I would not have wanted to have been the unlucky soul delegated to tell that to Czar Nicholas I.
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Post by John F » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:09 am

What almanac of the '70s, and why should you care, or even remember? There are so many other things that are more worth being indignant about.

One of Donizetti's serious operas that I think is well worth hearing is "Dom Sebastien," or "Don Sebastiano." Here's one of its most striking numbers:



Not only is Verdi just around the corner, and not just early Verdi - I'm thinking "Simon Boccanegra" and "Don Carlo" - but halfway through we're suddenly in the world of Mahler's "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen."
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Post by lennygoran » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:38 am

John F wrote: One of Donizetti's serious operas that I think is well worth hearing is "Dom Sebastien," or "Don Sebastiano." Here's one of its most striking numbers:
Not only is Verdi just around the corner, and not just early Verdi - I'm thinking "Simon Boccanegra" and "Don Carlo" - but halfway through we're suddenly in the world of Mahler's "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen."
Donizetti, now we're talking! Definitely hear Verdi but I don't know anything about that Mahler--what I do know is we need that Don S here in NYC! Regards, Len :)

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Post by lennygoran » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:42 am

John F wrote:Mahler's "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen."
Ah now I've found that on youtube--isn't that in one of his symphonies too--I know I've heard it before and it is beautiful--it might even top the Donizetti! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx0yITW8CPs

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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by Heck148 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:16 am

dulcinea wrote:A memory from the 70s that still makes me murderous mad is that an almanac, in an article dedicated to famous composers and their works, identified Haydn as the author of ONE work, the Surprise Symphony.
only a musical moron would make such a foolish claim...

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Post by PJME » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:26 am

Haydn's Piccolo divertimento is such a gem!

http://youtu.be/mROED3ZTVzA

For those who don't like the sound of the instrument : go for Brendel!

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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by John F » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:14 pm

lennygoran wrote:
John F wrote:Mahler's "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen."
Ah now I've found that on youtube--isn't that in one of his symphonies too--I know I've heard it before and it is beautiful--it might even top the Donizetti! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx0yITW8CPs
You're right, Mahler used some music from the song cycle in his Symphony #1.
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Post by stenka razin » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:15 pm

Rossini's gem like penultimate opera, 'Le Comte Ory' is well worth getting to know. A sizzling Met excerpt below:


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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by moreno » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:42 pm

Two "alternative" works by one of the composers unfairly considered by some as one-hit wonders, Ruggero Leoncavallo:
Valse mélancolique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajt3Z2CjMC0[/youtube]

Zazà
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMmjcsrRHE[/youtube]

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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:50 pm

In the limited library available in my house when I was a boy I could find Milton Cross's Encyclopedia of the Great Composers, and even though its author was the man who announced the Metropolitan Opera broadcasts for many years, a more unsophisticated collection of composer short biographies would be hard to imagine. But of course, sticking to the basics (and the clichés which his readers were reading for the first time) was the point. Even as it was, it was full of information that the average even educated person would not know about our favorite subject. Limiting Haydn to one composition is pretty extreme, but we should not expect to find much beyond the barest knowledge when wandering among Jeopardy contestants and other Earth people.

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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by John F » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:08 pm

By the 1970s when dulcinea says her almanac appeared, the breadth and depth of Haydn's achievement was commonly known, and to focus on the Surprise Symphony was an anachronism. But in 1953, when "Milton Cross' Encyclopedia of the Great Composers and their Music" (mainly or wholly written by David Ewen) was first published, the general classical music public would have known the Surprise better than any other Haydn work and possibly to the exclusion of the rest.
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Post by dulcinea » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:55 am

When and how did you discover Boccherini's full body of work?
The booklet that explained the selections included in a late 60s READER'S DIGEST collection of popular classics enumerated the full list of LB's compositions, and clearly implied that his Minuet was the only piece that he got right. As befits an innately skeptical person such as myself, I found such an affirmation totally unworthy of credit.
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Re: They Are NOT One Trick Ponies!

Post by jbuck919 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:23 pm

dulcinea wrote:When and how did you discover Boccherini's full body of work?
The booklet that explained the selections included in a late 60s READER'S DIGEST collection of popular classics enumerated the full list of LB's compositions, and clearly implied that his Minuet was the only piece that he got right. As befits an innately skeptical person such as myself, I found such an affirmation totally unworthy of credit.
And you were right. The minuet is quite on the same level as everything else he wrote. :mrgreen:

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
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