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Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:23 pm

Lance, hope this is OK as Chalkie asked me to repost this here rather than the Pub:


What are your favorite formats for the following Pink Floyd albums:

Meddle
Dark Side
Wish You Were Here
Animals

Here's what I have format-wise of each release:

(the vinyl are 24-96 FLAC rips, as I no longer have a turntable)

Meddle
MFSL CD
MFSL Vinyl
UK Harvest Vinyl
1994 Remaster CD



Dark Side
MFSL CD
Toshiba "Black Triangle" CD
MFSL Vinyl
SACD
BD Audio (Immersion set)
2003 remaster (Immersion) CD
1994 Remaster CD
Alan Parsons Quad Vinyl

Wish You Were Here
Japan first press Vinyl
Japan first press CD (35DP4)
SACD
BD Audio (from Immersion set)
2011 remaster (Immersion) CD
1994 Remaster
Quad Vinyl

Animals
Japan CD (32DP 360)
1994 Remaster CD
Columbia Mastersounds Vinyl
UK first press CD

I'm guessing a fan who knew the band personally as you did can comment on their preferences with some authority. I'd be interested to know your opinions...

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:05 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote: I'm guessing a fan who knew the band personally as you did can comment on their preferences with some authority. I'd be interested to know your opinions...
I can tell you the following, for starters...

David wants to know why you left out Obscured by Clouds? Nick agrees, saying that they were, in true essence, the Worlds Greatest 12 Bar Blues Band, listen to Free Four for example...then listen to the other albums, it's all so incredibly simple, mainly because Roger, by his own admission, is not that great a Bass Player and so uses the notes he can play sparingly...

Why do you not have the 2011 Remaster of Meddle?
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:11 pm

I started photographing and working for them in 1972, from that moment on they aways played live in Quadrophonic, always used ambient music of birds and bees before and during the show, had Chris Thomas come on Tour for the first few weeks to nail down the Live Sound...they also put the Flags/Banners in the ceiling of Venues for sound purposes, not as part of the show...that started in 1975 I think...
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:03 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
ContrapunctusIX wrote: I'm guessing a fan who knew the band personally as you did can comment on their preferences with some authority. I'd be interested to know your opinions...
I can tell you the following, for starters...

David wants to know why you left out Obscured by Clouds? Nick agrees,
I like Obscured by Clouds a great deal, in fact Chilhood's End is one of my favorite tracks of theirs. I just don't find it to be a complete album the way Meddle - Animals were. For example, Wish You Were Here is essentially the perfect rock album, not one note out of place. With Obscured, you get the odd throwaway track here and there that never happened on the albums I mentioned specifically.
Why do you not have the 2011 Remaster of Meddle?
Haven't gotten around to it yet, I bought the Dark Side and WYWH immersion sets for the surround mixes and extras, but I'll likely pick it up at some point.

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:05 pm

Chalkperson wrote:I started photographing and working for them in 1972, from that moment on they aways played live in Quadrophonic, always used ambient music of birds and bees before and during the show, had Chris Thomas come on Tour for the first few weeks to nail down the Live Sound...they also put the Flags/Banners in the ceiling of Venues for sound purposes, not as part of the show...that started in 1975 I think...
I find it fascinating how well you know these guys. Pink Floyd is, along with Yes and the Beatles, one of my 3 favorite rock bands of all-time.

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:57 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:I started photographing and working for them in 1972, from that moment on they aways played live in Quadrophonic, always used ambient music of birds and bees before and during the show, had Chris Thomas come on Tour for the first few weeks to nail down the Live Sound...they also put the Flags/Banners in the ceiling of Venues for sound purposes, not as part of the show...that started in 1975 I think...
I find it fascinating how well you know these guys. Pink Floyd is, along with Yes and the Beatles, one of my 3 favorite rock bands of all-time.
I know a lot of Bands this well, worked with McCartney quite bit too...more tomorrow...
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:39 pm

what else have you got Chalkie?

Tell Roger that I'll never consider the Wall on par with the albums Meddle - Animals, since the Wall wasn't a group effort so much as it was Waters' vanity project.

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:09 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote:what else have you got Chalkie?

Tell Roger that I'll never consider the Wall on par with the albums Meddle - Animals, since the Wall wasn't a group effort so much as it was Waters' vanity project.
The Wall stands up well, unlike everything Waters did after Pink Floyd, especially that awful Opera, the circumstances of the recording of the Wall are quite interesting, the Band in one studio and Roger in another, his at the top of the mountain, theirs at the bottom, Bob Ezrin is responsible for a lot too...Wait until his new Tour is released on DVD/BluRay, it really is very good. Nick Mason is the keeper of the Floyd Archive, he has almost anything and everything you could think of, including parts of the original Wall from 1980...

Oh, and Roger Lip Syncs on his Tour, just like Britney Spears...LOL
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Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:14 pm

I was recently in London and saw my old friend Storm Thorgerson, he did all the Artwork for them, he has recently produced parody sleeve of Atom Heart Mother featuring a wire cow, it's fantastic piece of Art, looks just like the original except the cow is made of wire, when I asked about it he said simply, "People are always asking Why A Cow? so I obliged and made a Wire Cow"

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:42 pm

Chalkperson wrote:Roger Lip Syncs on his Tour, just like Britney Spears...LOL
haha! Hilarious! My brother saw them outside of San Francisco a month or so ago, I'll have to drop this little gem next time we speak.

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:02 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:Roger Lip Syncs on his Tour, just like Britney Spears...LOL
haha! Hilarious! My brother saw them outside of San Francisco a month or so ago, I'll have to drop this little gem next time we speak.
Not everything however is Lip Synched, just all the notes he can no longer reach, also, the "sincere" comments about his former personality defects that he makes the audience think are just for them are repeated identically each night...

Sad fact, David played on that one Wall Show and never heard from Roger again, in other news, David really loves Karaoke, if I could post pictures here I would post a recent photo of him with his Gold Karaoke Microphone, taken by his awesome wife, the writer Polly Samson...the man is just adorable...
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:04 am

Alright Chalkie, the suspense is killing me. Favorite versions - let's have it!

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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:43 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote:Alright Chalkie, the suspense is killing me. Favorite versions - let's have it!
Soon...
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by gperkins151 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:57 pm

I say the earliest CD version for each. The later issues all have some degree of dynamic compression.
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by Chalkperson » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:22 pm

gperkins151 wrote:I say the earliest CD version for each. The later issues all have some degree of dynamic compression.
The Mobile Fidelity discs are better than the original CD's and sound the most like Vinyl.

The SACD for Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are the definitive mixes.

I prefer the 2011 Mixes to the Japanese Remasters. I like to savour every detail.

The best Dark Side Performance, is the live at Wembley disc.

Compression helps Pink Floyd, IMHO, Chris Thomas introduced lots of it on DSOTM...

I have not heard the Blu Ray but the mixes are the same as SACD.
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:42 am

Chalkperson wrote:
gperkins151 wrote:I say the earliest CD version for each. The later issues all have some degree of dynamic compression.
The Mobile Fidelity discs are better than the original CD's and sound the most like Vinyl.

The SACD for Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are the definitive mixes.

I prefer the 2011 Mixes to the Japanese Remasters. I like to savour every detail.

The best Dark Side Performance, is the live at Wembley disc.

Compression helps Pink Floyd, IMHO, Chris Thomas introduced lots of it on DSOTM...

I have not heard the Blu Ray but the mixes are the same as SACD.
Interesting POV Chalkie. Why do you think compression helps Pink Floyd's music? At least as far as Dark Side is concerned, I've never heard any digital version, remaster, SACD or otherwise, which even approaches the MFSL vinyl (IMHO).

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Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:30 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote:Interesting POV Chalkie. Why do you think compression helps Pink Floyd's music? At least as far as Dark Side is concerned, I've never heard any digital version, remaster, SACD or otherwise, which even approaches the MFSL vinyl (IMHO).
What I was referring to was that Chris Thomas introduced Compression into the Pink Floyd "sound" on DSOTM when he remixed it after the Band were unhappy with the Alan Parsons mix...there is a great story in fact regarding Chris's Mixing Job, but not for public consumption...Chris was George Martin's Engineer on the Beatles White Album...

I have never heard the MFSL Vinyl but my system is very high end (Digital) system and I like the increased detail I hear in the new mixes, especially on Atom Heart Mother, Meddle and Ummagumma, you can't really compare Vinyl to SACD because i'm suggesting that the MultiChannel mixes are now definitive for DSOTM and WYWH...

But, it's all about what YOU like, other people's opinions are simply opinions...

DSOTM was one of the very first CD's released 30+ years ago, I never returned to the Vinyl again after I got the CD, I embraced the new technology because I liked the new kind of sound, especially DSOTM...as you can see i'm not a Vinyl Junkie...
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Re: Chalkie - Pink Floyd question

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:47 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
ContrapunctusIX wrote:Interesting POV Chalkie. Why do you think compression helps Pink Floyd's music? At least as far as Dark Side is concerned, I've never heard any digital version, remaster, SACD or otherwise, which even approaches the MFSL vinyl (IMHO).
What I was referring to was that Chris Thomas introduced Compression into the Pink Floyd "sound" on DSOTM when he remixed it after the Band were unhappy with the Alan Parsons mix...there is a great story in fact regarding Chris's Mixing Job, but not for public consumption...Chris was George Martin's Engineer on the Beatles White Album...

I have never heard the MFSL Vinyl but my system is very high end (Digital) system and I like the increased detail I hear in the new mixes, especially on Atom Heart Mother, Meddle and Ummagumma, you can't really compare Vinyl to SACD because i'm suggesting that the MultiChannel mixes are now definitive for DSOTM and WYWH...

But, it's all about what YOU like, other people's opinions are simply opinions...

DSOTM was one of the very first CD's released 30+ years ago, I never returned to the Vinyl again after I got the CD, I embraced the new technology because I liked the new kind of sound, especially DSOTM...as you can see i'm not a Vinyl Junkie...
while I'm sure my system doesn't measure up to yours, I also have a pretty nice rig and a dedicated FLAC player which I use for music. I once felt as you do - better resolution and mastering techniques trump all, thus SACD/DVD-A beats vinyl, CD, etc - but having the ability to playback FLAC on my system afforded me the opportunity to compare my various digital copies of these discs against high-resolution Vinyl rips. I'd imagine your high-end digital system allows FLAC playback, and as such I'd suggest you give them a try. Knowing the crowds you run with from your posts, I'm sure you have friends that could oblige and make such rips for you. A really HQ vinyl rip reveals a surprising amount of details I've yet to notice on standard redbook, at least.

Just a suggestion. It's too bad vinyl is such a fragile, brittle medium, as a good pressing that's in good condition has the potential to sound outstanding on the right equipment.

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Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:49 pm

ContrapunctusIX wrote: while I'm sure my system doesn't measure up to yours, I also have a pretty nice rig and a dedicated FLAC player which I use for music. I once felt as you do - better resolution and mastering techniques trump all, thus SACD/DVD-A beats vinyl, CD, etc - but having the ability to playback FLAC on my system afforded me the opportunity to compare my various digital copies of these discs against high-resolution Vinyl rips. I'd imagine your high-end digital system allows FLAC playback, and as such I'd suggest you give them a try. Knowing the crowds you run with from your posts, I'm sure you have friends that could oblige and make such rips for you. A really HQ vinyl rip reveals a surprising amount of details I've yet to notice on standard redbook, at least.

Just a suggestion. It's too bad vinyl is such a fragile, brittle medium, as a good pressing that's in good condition has the potential to sound outstanding on the right equipment.
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