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Post by Lance » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:49 am

I've always wondered ... are there any offspring on the face of the earth that are related to:

a) Johann Sebastian Bach

b) Franz Liszt

c) Robert Schumann

OR any other composers of note that you know?

I have heard there were relatives of Schumann still living and, indeed, the name Schumann is still very much present in the world today.
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Post by THEHORN » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:44 am

Franz Liszt was the great great grandfather of Wagner's current descendents, including Katharina Wagner and her siblings and cousins . Katharina and her half sister are now running the bayreuth festival, and she has also been active in directing opera, including a truly bizarre Meistersinger production at Bayreuth several years ago.

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Post by moreno » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:09 pm

Albéniz's great-great-nephew is currently the Minister of Justice.
Additionally he had played the role of his famous ancestor in the recently released film "Holmes & Watson. Madrid Days"!

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Post by maestrob » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:43 pm

Joseph Suk, the violinist, was the great grandson of Dvorak, and the grandson of Joseph Suk, the composer. He died recently (July 2011) at the age of 81. His recording of Dvorak's Violin Concerto remains definitive, and his other accomplishments can be found in Wikipedia and this NY Times obit......
July 8, 2011
Josef Suk, Czech Violinist, Dies at 81By ALLAN KOZINN
Josef Suk, a Czech violinist who was known for his warm-toned interpretations of works by Mozart, Beethoven, Debussy and Janacek as well as for his lineage — he was a great-grandson of Dvorak and a grandson of the turn-of-the-century violinist and composer also named Josef Suk — died on Wednesday in Prague. He was 81 and a lifelong Prague resident. The cause was prostate cancer, said Antonin Matzner, a program adviser at the Prague Spring International Music Festival, of which Mr. Suk was honorary president.

Tall, elegant and silver-haired, Mr. Suk (pronounced souk), at the height of his career, projected a thoughtfulness and an authority in his music-making that more than compensated for his disinclination to wrap his performances in technical flashiness.

When he made his New York debut, playing the Dvorak Violin Concerto — later one of his signature pieces — with George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra at Carnegie Hall in February 1964, Harold C. Schoenberg wrote in The New York Times that Mr. Suk had a big sound and precise intonation, and that he “played with strength, with assurance and with all the rhythm that this seldom-played but attractive concerto needs.”

In New York, Mr. Suk was a frequent guest of the Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center from the 1970s through the 1990s, often appearing in programs that drew heavily on Czech music, to which he brought a measure of authenticity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/arts/ ... at-81.html

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Post by Ted Quanrud » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:49 pm

Hi Lance -

The last direct descendant of Johann Sebastian Bach was a great-granddaughter, Carolina Augusta Wilhelmine Bach (1800–1871).

Schumann's daughter, Julie, married Count Vittorio Amadeo Radicati di Marmorito, and had three children, whose descendants live near Torino, Italy. His son Ferdinand (1849-1891) had seven children, some of whose descendants are alive today, some of whom I understand are in the US.

By coincidence, Rachmaninov's grandson, Alexandre Rachmaninoff, died just last week. The Telegraph obituary is here: [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... f.html/url]

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Post by PJME » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:49 am

There are at least 140 Beethovens in Belgium ( not all of them direct relatives,of course) and the city of Mechelen organises reunions.
I'll try to find more info.

http://mechelen.mapt.be/wiki/Familie_Van_Beethoven


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Post by Len_Z » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:59 am

Direct descendants of Scriabin live in Russia and in the U.S. They have the last name of Sofronitsky who was married to Scriabin's daughter.

The son and grand-son of Shostakovich are both accomplished musicians.

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Post by jbuck919 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:09 am

Len_Z wrote:Direct descendants of Scriabin live in Russia and in the U.S. They have the last name of Sofronitsky who was married to Scriabin's daughter.

The son and grand-son of Shostakovich are both accomplished musicians.
Schoenberg's three children seem to be still alive (Lawrence, Ronald, and Nuria, who married the composer Luigi Nono), but I can't verify that.

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Post by John F » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:28 am

Mahler's granddaughter, named Marina Fistoulari-Mahler, is still alive, and is the honorary president of the youth orchestra called the International Mahler Orchestra. She has a daughter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/arts/ ... 9munc.html
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Post by THEHORN » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:43 am

The granddaughter's married name Fistoulari is interesting. Could her husband be related to the once well-known Russian ballet ocnductor Anatol Fistoulari , who made a number of recordings, for example the Tchaikovsky ballets?

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Post by John F » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:54 am

You got it. Marina Fistoulari-Mahler is the daughter of Anna Mahler and Anatole Fistoulari.
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Post by slofstra » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:13 pm

Without looking into it at all: Bach has to have offspring, lots of offspring.


Looking into it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_family

and these two gentleman appear to be present day offspring of JSB, although my German isn't good enough to be absolutely sure.

http://www.eisenachonline.de/nachrichte ... 4.05-02792

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Post by John F » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:55 am

Your German is fine! The article names Johann von Colson and Rainer Göschel as Bach's "direkte Nachkommen" - direct descendents. Colson is an engineer and Göschel is a teacher.
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Post by slofstra » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:18 pm

John F wrote:Your German is fine! The article names Johann von Colson and Rainer Göschel as Bach's "direkte Nachkommen" - direct descendents. Colson is an engineer and Göschel is a teacher.
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Post by IcedNote » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:23 pm

Gabriel Prokofiev, grandson of Sergei, is an accomplished composer.

Samuel Carl Adams, son of John Adams, is a composer off to a decidedly fantastic start.

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Post by barney » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:47 pm

I claim direct descent from Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Schubert etc. I remember an interview my mother heard with a Maori in New Zealand: "Being Maori is a state of mind. Beethoven was a Maori." Well, being a descendant might be a state of mind ... waddya mean, DNA? :D

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Post by hangos » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:54 pm

Peter Bartok may still be alive, he certainly was still alive in 2007 but since then nobody seems to know for sure.
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