Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

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Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by dulcinea » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:50 pm

At this moment the mustelids are tormenting me with yet another retread of the same tired worn out pieces of Respighi that they play EVERY WEEK without fail: LA BOUTIQUE FANTASTIQUE, THE BIRDS, THE CHURCH WINDOWS, THE BOTTICELLI PICTURES, and THE POTHOLES, SEWERS and LATRINES OF ROME :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x .
Obviously they have never checked his biography, which shows that the Man from Bologna was very productive: nine opera, several ballets, several concerti, and an abundance of chamber and orchestral pieces, all of which I would love to hear.
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:37 pm

dulcinea wrote:At this moment the mustelids are tormenting me with yet another retread of the same tired worn out pieces of Respighi that they play EVERY WEEK without fail: LA BOUTIQUE FANTASTIQUE, THE BIRDS, THE CHURCH WINDOWS, THE BOTTICELLI PICTURES, and THE POTHOLES, SEWERS and LATRINES OF ROME :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x .
Obviously they have never checked his biography, which shows that the Man from Bologna was very productive: nine opera, several ballets, several concerti, and an abundance of chamber and orchestral pieces, all of which I would love to hear.
Just because he wrote them does mean they are all worth hearing...
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by John F » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:19 pm

The three suites of Ancient Airs and Dances are like "The Birds," but without the unifying theme. Very pleasing; for my money, Respighi was best at arranging other composers' music. As for his own music, I can do without it - all of it.
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by bigshot » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:54 pm

I really like Boutique Fantastique. Great piece!

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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by dulcinea » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:25 am

You are dismissing Respighi exactly as Boccherini was dismissed when he was known only for his Minuet.
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by John F » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:29 am

No, I'm "dismissing" Respighi because, to my taste, he wrote tacky music. Boccherini only wrote dull music.
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Post by THEHORN » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:59 am

Respighi's opera "La Fiamma " deserves to be better known and might even be worth a Met production .
The suite from "Belkis, queen of Sheba ", is great fun . His only symphony , "Sinfonia Drammatica ", is also
worth hearing . I wouldn't dismiss Respighi out of hand at all .

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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by John F » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:54 am

You wouldn't, but I would. :mrgreen:
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Post by Wallingford » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:01 pm

Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
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Post by Chalkperson » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:14 pm

Wallingford wrote:Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
Dion't bother, you have much better things to do with your time, and Boccherini is only dull if you sit down and listen, it's perfect music to work to...
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Post by John F » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:56 pm

Wallingford wrote:Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
:)

If you hear anything good, let us know.
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by piston » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:57 pm

Typical lack of cultural context to a whole many of these replies. Where is orchestral music in Italy during the first third of the 20th century? This was a country so "lyrical" that it failed to develop a cadre of orchestral music composers for decades! The task of Respighi, along with a few others, was to make such music acceptable to a public not receptive to orchestral works.

It's a lot of pictorial music, as John F would put it, for that reason.
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by dulcinea » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:00 pm

Wallingford wrote:Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
Every man in the world is entitled to a fair trial to determine the true facts about him. That certainly applies to someone like Respighi, who is in the patently unfair situation of being famous almost exclusively for a very small portion of his very considerable output.
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Post by piston » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:12 pm

The amazing cultural issue to me is that, notwithstanding so much talent and institutional development, there is no Italian de Falla, Debussy/Ravel/Roussel, Elgar/Vaughan Williams, Bruckner/Mahler/Strauss/Hindemith, Bartok/Kodaly, Dvorak/Martinu, Szymanovski, Sibelius/Atterberg, Glazunov/Myaskovsky/Prokofiev/Shostakovich....

Why did a country with so much classical music knowledge fail to produce a top-ranking orchestral composer?
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by John F » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:01 pm

Surely it's because in Italy, fame and especially fortune lay in opera, not in concert music.
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Post by piston » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:15 pm

And that's what Respighi, Casella, and Malipiero were trying to alter, to change.
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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by barney » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:22 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Wallingford wrote:Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
Dion't bother, you have much better things to do with your time, and Boccherini is only dull if you sit down and listen, it's perfect music to work to...
For someone who is so often so wrong (ie any time you disagree with me), sometimes you are wonderfully right. Like now. :D

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Post by Chalkperson » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:10 pm

dulcinea wrote:
Wallingford wrote:Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
Every man in the world is entitled to a fair trial to determine the true facts about him. That certainly applies to someone like Respighi, who is in the patently unfair situation of being famous almost exclusively for a very small portion of his very considerable output.
And 90% of it is rubbish, plain and simple...
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Post by Chalkperson » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:12 pm

piston wrote:The amazing cultural issue to me is that, notwithstanding so much talent and institutional development, there is no Italian de Falla, Debussy/Ravel/Roussel, Elgar/Vaughan Williams, Bruckner/Mahler/Strauss/Hindemith, Bartok/Kodaly, Dvorak/Martinu, Szymanovski, Sibelius/Atterberg, Glazunov/Myaskovsky/Prokofiev/Shostakovich....

Why did a country with so much classical music knowledge fail to produce a top-ranking orchestral composer?
Times change, you can't rest on your laurels...
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Post by lennygoran » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:17 am

Chalkperson wrote: Times change, you can't rest on your laurels...
How do you know who's resting on one's laurels and who isn't? Will it one day be considered that Beethoven is resting on his laurels? Fountains and Pines both make it for me! Regards, Len

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Re: Have Mercy On The Poor Man From Bologna!

Post by dulcinea » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:10 am

Chalkperson wrote:
dulcinea wrote:
Wallingford wrote:Just because of your putdown, John, I'm reflexively considering exploring Respighi's obscure stuff.
Every man in the world is entitled to a fair trial to determine the true facts about him. That certainly applies to someone like Respighi, who is in the patently unfair situation of being famous almost exclusively for a very small portion of his very considerable output.
And 90% of it is rubbish, plain and simple...
My 59 years have taught me not to trust blindly the opinion of experts, who are far from infallible, so I prefer to judge Respighi for myself.
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