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My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by dulcinea » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:05 pm

Has DON QUIXOTE ever been made into a ballet? :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:14 pm

dulcinea wrote:Has DON QUIXOTE ever been made into a ballet? :D :D :D :D :D
Maybe. (Sometimes I want to say *everything* has been made into a ballet, but that would still be an exaggeration.) But as you know, the classic ballet Don Quixote does not use Strauss's music. I could have seen the Bolshoi dance it in Saratoga this summer, but just wasn't interested in a warhorse that isn't redeemed by the music. (Even the provincial local paper had the sense to question their programming only what they assumed would be the biggest crowd pleaser.)

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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by John F » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:02 pm

Don Quixote isn't a good subject for a ballet because the name character is an old man and has to be danced, or mimed, by a character dancer, not a premier danseur. In the ballet by that name with music by Ludwig Minkus <shudder>, Quixote occasionally wanders on and off stage while the story is about young lovers. Balanchine created a Don Quixote ballet with music by Nicholas Nabokov, better than Minkus but not really adequate for the subject, so that he himself could dance the title role opposite his muse/mistress of the time, Suzanne Farrell, as Dulcinea. At least the ballet does focus on Quixote, but frankly I got bored, and I don't believe City Ballet has revived it often since Mr. B's death.

As jbuck919 says, nowadays anything may be danced to, even "Das Lied von der Erde," but as far as I know, Strauss's "Don Quixote" hasn't been choreographed for any major ballet company. Since the story is all in the music, very vividly, anything added would be superfluous.
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by dulcinea » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:25 pm

John F wrote:Don Quixote isn't a good subject for a ballet because the name character is an old man and has to be danced, or mimed, by a character dancer, not a premier danseur.
So my ancestor is not Prince Siegfried; what of it? Strauss' music is stirring and deserves to be danced; I particularly look forward to the death scene, when the cello plays that heartbreaking concluding cadenza. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by jbuck919 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:43 pm

dulcinea wrote: So my ancestor is not Prince Siegfried; what of it?
So you're descended from the Don? I was under the impression that he was a fictional character. ;)

There is a great deal of music I can also imagine being used for ballet. (Some of it probably has been and I just don't know about it.) The problem is not lack of matches, but lack of great choreographers. Knowing as little as I do about it, I can still tell the stark difference between a work by Ballanchine and a work by almost anyone else if I catch back-to-back ballets when the NYC Ballet comes to Saratoga. It is easier for me to understand the evanescence of most music since 1950 on its own merits than to understand why there have not been more great choreographers, given that they are presumably not as constrained by an overwhelming past as composers are.

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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by Lance » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:17 pm

My favourite Richard Strauss centers around his vocal works:

The Operas:

Salomé
Der Rosenkavalier
Ariadne auf Naxos

AND

Most of his lieder/songs
The Four Last Songs.

Then follows some of his orchestral works:

Burleske for Piano and Orchestra
Le borgeois gentilhomme
Don Quixote
Ein Heldenleben (A Hero's Life)
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by barney » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:10 am

I agree, Lance, though I would probably put the Four Last Songs top. It is certainly the Strauss to which I listen most.
Rosenkavalier and Salome yes, I also have a soft spot for Arabella, and my next Strauss project is to get to know Elektra well.

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Post by barney » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:10 am

Mind you, we have digressed at quite a tangent!

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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by maestrob » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:45 am

Continuing the digression.........

Don Quixote, performed by Yo-Yo Ma in a recent telecast finally made me appreciate this fine work, but it is not my favorite.

The Four Last Songs are.

Then, there's Tod und Verklarung, and Zarathustra, and Salome's Dance (I'm not wild about the rest of the opera.).

Rosenkavalier and Arabella are my two favorite operas.

I've heard Die Frau ohne Schatten and Capriccio: both are fine works, but they didn't move me: perhaps it was the recordings.

I'm in love with Strauss's lieder: just wonderful miniatures, each one a gem.

Elektra is just a lot of noise to my ears.

That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. :wink:

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:54 pm

maestrob wrote:Elektra is just a lot of noise to my ears.
You're entitled to your opinion. ;)

It's well known that Strauss renounced modernism after Elektra. The problem is that he then faced the dilemma of every composer who renounces modernism, which is to justify anything else, and I suppose he did it better than any other composer.

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Post by Wallingford » Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:12 pm

What strikes me as more balletic music is TELEMANN's Don Quixote suite. Maybe the dancing wouldn't involve at all the story of the insane don but another story completely. Eminently danceable stuff.
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maestrob wrote: That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. :wink:
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Post by Lance » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:35 pm

No question —and I should have immediately noted it — that the Four Last Songs is, without a doubt, R. Strauss's most highly regarded work and also is at the very TOP of my own list!
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by John F » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:06 am

jbuck919 wrote:It's well known that Strauss renounced modernism after Elektra. The problem is that he then faced the dilemma of every composer who renounces modernism, which is to justify anything else, and I suppose he did it better than any other composer.
Strauss moved from modernism to neoclassicism, like Stravinsky a decade later. In one of those books of conversations with Robert Craft, Stravinsky dismisses "Ariadne auf Naxos," the neoclassical opera par excellence, but that has to be sour grapes - it wasn't he but Strauss who started that trend.
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Post by RebLem » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:04 pm

Lance wrote:My favourite Richard Strauss centers around his vocal works:

The Operas:

Salomé
Der Rosenkavalier
Ariadne auf Naxos

AND

Most of his lieder/songs
The Four Last Songs.

Then follows some of his orchestral works:

Burleske for Piano and Orchestra
Le borgeois gentilhomme
Don Quixote
Ein Heldenleben (A Hero's Life)
For me, Der Rosenkavalier, Salome, and Capriccio among the operas, Ein Heldenleben, Also Sprake Zarathustra, Don Juan, Till Eulenspiegel, and Death and Transfiguration among the tone poems. Also, Symphonia Domestica. And, when the Munich Opera was bombed, the war finally came home to Strauss and he wrote Metamorphosen for 23 strings. Klemperer and Marriner do it best. And then, of course, the Four Last Songs--Schwarzkopf and Edelmann are best--and some of the other songs as well.
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Post by John F » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:07 pm

Edelmann?? The thought of that wonderful Baron Ochs singing the Four Last Songs is positively surreal. :lol:
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Post by RebLem » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:21 pm

John F wrote:Edelmann?? The thought of that wonderful Baron Ochs singing the Four Last Songs is positively surreal. :lol:
:oops: No, it was Ackermann. Sorry.
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Post by Chalkperson » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:00 pm

maestrob wrote:Continuing the digression.........

Don Quixote, performed by Yo-Yo Ma in a recent telecast finally made me appreciate this fine work, but it is not my favorite.

The Four Last Songs are.

Then, there's Tod und Verklarung, and Zarathustra, and Salome's Dance (I'm not wild about the rest of the opera.).

Rosenkavalier and Arabella are my two favorite operas.

I've heard Die Frau ohne Schatten and Capriccio: both are fine works, but they didn't move me: perhaps it was the recordings.

I'm in love with Strauss's lieder: just wonderful miniatures, each one a gem.

Elektra is just a lot of noise to my ears.

That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. :wink:
I will stick to the Four Last Songs, the Theme from 2001, Kleiber the Younger's Rosencadavers...
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by John F » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:18 am

RebLem wrote:
John F wrote:Edelmann?? The thought of that wonderful Baron Ochs singing the Four Last Songs is positively surreal. :lol:
:oops: No, it was Ackermann. Sorry.
Yeah, I knew that was what you meant, but what a setup! Schwarzkopf and Edelmann duetting in the Four Last Songs, as they did in Act 1 of "Rosenkavalier," would have been worthy of a Hoffnung Music Festival.
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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by PJME » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:58 am

http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Strauss-V ... B000A32AVY

Baritone Konrad Jarnot does sing the 4 letzte Lieder - albeit in a version with piano.

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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by jbuck919 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:04 am

PJME wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Strauss-V ... B000A32AVY

Baritone Konrad Jarnot does sing the 4 letzte Lieder - albeit in a version with piano.

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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by PJME » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:17 am

Be prepared..on You Tube one can find die Letzte Lieder in a version with a countertenor and a boy soprano....

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Re: My Favorite Richard Strauss!

Post by John F » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:21 am

I don't wish to know that. :D
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