Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75-6

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Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75-6

Post by stevewright » Fri May 22, 2015 3:05 am

Any opinions on this? Seems well-reviewed (and I have read praise of Kempe's Brahms - though for his BPO cycle, not Munchner).
It's also, well, affordable shall we say.
Thanks!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Br...s=brahms+kempe

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by david johnson » Fri May 22, 2015 3:10 am

nothing showed when I clicked your link :(

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by stevewright » Fri May 22, 2015 5:05 am

david johnson wrote:nothing showed when I clicked your link :(
Oops, sorry. How is this? Won't let me add a picture at the mo.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Brahm ... ahms+kempe

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by John F » Fri May 22, 2015 7:38 am

The Klemperer/Beethoven recordings are not EMI's studio versions but public performances given in Vienna in 1960. Haven't heard any of them. Klemperer was a manic-depressive, a severe case, and as such he was unpredictable. When in a manic state, he was quick and careless with rehearsals and the performances sometimes suffered; when depressive, he worked more carefully. The customer reviews on amazon.com are favorable, for what that's worth.
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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by stevewright » Fri May 22, 2015 8:10 am

John F wrote:The Klemperer/Beethoven recordings are not EMI's studio versions but public performances given in Vienna in 1960. (...) The customer reviews on amazon.com are favorable, for what that's worth.
Thanks! Yes, they are favourable, as is this:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/c ... CD1252.htm

I'd be very interested in hearing any views on this Brahms/Kempe/Munchner cycle before putting my hand in my virtual pocket...
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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by slofstra » Fri May 22, 2015 12:16 pm

Do you already have this very excellent set?

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A superb set, with the exception of a badly executed 9th.

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by maestrob » Fri May 22, 2015 12:48 pm

I've not heard this particular set, but I must caution you that Klemperer, to my knowledge, never mastered the Beethoven Ninth, so that would discourage me. You can do far better with HVK's early DGG set for the same price:

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As for Brahms, Solti/Chicago would be my recommendation for n additional fiver:

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by Seán » Fri May 22, 2015 2:16 pm

maestrob wrote:I've not heard this particular set, but I must caution you that Klemperer, to my knowledge, never mastered the Beethoven Ninth, so that would discourage me. You can do far better with HVK's early DGG set for the same price:

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by barney » Fri May 22, 2015 10:20 pm

I "learnt" the Beethoven symphonies with Klemperer and the Phil - the studio version. I still love them, though I don't listen very often. He took a marvellously magisterial and architectural view, but was regarded as slow even then. By today's standards he is often glacial.

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by premont » Sat May 23, 2015 9:32 am

RebLem has reviewed the Klemperer live Beethoven recordings from Vienna on the last page of the What are you listening to thread.

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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by RebLem » Sat May 23, 2015 2:14 pm

John F wrote:The Klemperer/Beethoven recordings are not EMI's studio versions but public performances given in Vienna in 1960. Haven't heard any of them. Klemperer was a manic-depressive, a severe case, and as such he was unpredictable. When in a manic state, he was quick and careless with rehearsals and the performances sometimes suffered; when depressive, he worked more carefully. The customer reviews on amazon.com are favorable, for what that's worth.
I have just finished listening to this set, spread over 5 different listening sessions. You can read them in the "What have you been listening to today?" thread. Generally, my reviews have been favorable; this is one of the great sets, but I did note a few disappointments.
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Re: Box: Beethoven cycle/Klemperer 60, Brahms cycle/Kempe 75

Post by RebLem » Sat May 23, 2015 2:16 pm

premont wrote:RebLem has reviewed the Klemperer live Beethoven recordings from Vienna on the last page of the What are you listening to thread.
TY, Premont. :D
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