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Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:24 am

A friend sent me this graph. Regards, Len :)

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by John F » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:29 am

And zero for actual performances. That's an average day for a failed musician. :(
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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:32 am

John F wrote:And zero for actual performances. That's an average day for a failed musician. :(
That's right-that graph needs to be redone! Regards, Len :)

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:34 pm

John F wrote:And zero for actual performances. That's an average day for a failed musician. :(
I think it means average day when a performance is not scheduled, though when you think about it, what percentage of a full-time performing musician's time is actually spent in delivering the final product? I am inclined to take the pie chart a bit more seriously, to the extent that it was intended seriously at all, because I have seen it on Facebook posted or approved of s by more than one serious professional performing musician. Also, I feel sufficiently versed in the matter to state that the portion devoted to "crippling self-doubt" is scarcely an exaggeration, and is enhanced by "fear of child prodigies." No, really.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by Auntie Lynn » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:58 pm

Comes as no surprise that nobody here knows jack about performing musicians: Me...

50% On the job performance
25% Personal
10% Gym
15% Repertory development

Do I worry about anything - hell no - I am the only one in this (big) town who does what I
do well...I should worry?

Now, here’s some of our CMG posters:

50% trolling CMG in the forlorn hope that SOMEONE will post anything to make it
interesting

25% goldbricking, featherbedding, time-serving, seat-warming at some low-level useless,
redundant job

25% Personal - eating, sleeping and bickering with homely, boring, tiresome wife or
significant.

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by John F » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:59 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
John F wrote:And zero for actual performances. That's an average day for a failed musician. :(
I think it means average day when a performance is not scheduled, though when you think about it, what percentage of a full-time performing musician's time is actually spent in delivering the final product?
You're taking it too seriously. The pie chart is a joke and is meant to be. But for what it's worth, an average day for a musician in the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra (during the season, of course) involves 3 to 6 hours of paid rehearsal time and, depending on the schedule, 3 to 5 hours of performance. How much more time does the musician spend practicing? That depends, of course. I would guess very little except when learning a new and difficult work. The Met's orchestral players and choristers have multi-year contracts, so self-doubt isn't likely to weigh heavily on them, and child prodigies need not apply.
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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by jbuck919 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:22 pm

Auntie Lynn wrote:Comes as no surprise that nobody here knows jack about performing musicians: Me...

50% On the job performance
25% Personal
10% Gym
15% Repertory development
Oh, you're still developing repertory? I would have thought from your previous posting that there were no mountains left for you to climb. :roll:

Your assessment of the situation up to this point, but not after, actually resembles that of John F, and I am sure you are as delighted as he to be mentioned in the same sentence. It is based on the assumption that the pie chart was intended to apply to a working staff musician, however virtuosic, while I was assuming (without insisting on it) that it was based on the experience of the serious concert soloist who is mainly concerned with his or her next exposed polished performance before an audience.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:50 am

Auntie Lynn wrote:
Now, here’s some of our CMG posters:

50% trolling CMG in the forlorn hope that SOMEONE will post anything to make it
interesting

25% goldbricking, featherbedding, time-serving, seat-warming at some low-level useless,
redundant job

25% Personal - eating, sleeping and bickering with homely, boring, tiresome wife or
significant.
Put up or shut up-document your credentials--also this goes in your dossier as well! Len

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:57 am

jbuck919 wrote: Your assessment of the situation up to this point, but not after, actually resembles that of John F,
I know John F and he's no auntie Lynn! :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a more serious note when will Lynn document how great she is-where's the beef-right now she's about as credible as blowhard Trump--Trump likes to say trust me-if Lynn's so great lets see the evidence. Regards, Len :evil:

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by jbuck919 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:03 pm

lennygoran wrote:
jbuck919 wrote: Your assessment of the situation up to this point, but not after, actually resembles that of John F,
I know John F and he's no auntie Lynn! :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a more serious note when will Lynn document how great she is-where's the beef-right now she's about as credible as blowhard Trump--Trump likes to say trust me-if Lynn's so great lets see the evidence. Regards, Len :evil:
It is not terribly difficult to figure out who Lynn is based on information she has provided in her previous posts over many years and a Google search. I have never doubted her claims regarding her own level of accomplishment, no matter how extravagant they have sometimes been. There's plenty of extreme but uncelebrated talent in the world. What I don't understand is why she needs the added gratification of insulting others. If we're that beneath her good opinion, why does she bother to come here at all? She is not the only accomplished musician I have come across who is fond of saying how wonderful she (or he) is because it is not enough to let those whose opinion matters recognize it on their own, but she is the only one who goes this offensive step further.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by Auntie Lynn » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:07 pm

Coming after me, frothing at the mouth with impotent rage, is not only laughable and
makes you look like a fool, but smacks mightily of the Green Eyed Monster. (“Jealousy,
night and day you torture me - checkitout - great tango - of which I have over 500 in the
rep)...and reinforces the widely held opinion that nobody here has the remotest clue as to
the life of a working musician. Instead of tearing yourselves in half like Rumplestiltskin,
why don’t you check around and find out what musician jobs are in high demand...? It’ll
give you something to do...at last.

And yes, I spend a lot of time on IMSLP, you never know who’s got something
“industrial...”

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by jbuck919 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:27 pm

Auntie Lynn wrote:And yes, I spend a lot of time on IMSLP, you never know who’s got something
“industrial...”
But don't you see that with that statement you are finally revealing a chink in the armor? The self-proclaimed most accomplished pianist in all of San Francisco doesn't look for new repertory appropriate to her abilities on IMSLP unless she is in some way compromised. (Note: It is OK for professional musicians to be compromised. There are few who are not.) IMSLP is where I go to find the secondary Baroque stuff I play on Sunday morning, but I don't pretend to be anything other than a perhaps over-educated simple country organist. It is beyond me what gratification you get out of coming here, where people only want to exchange thoughts on their appreciation of classical music and the mood in recent years has been magnanimous. I haven't even visited the thread in the Pub on Donald Trump to which you have contributed. I blanch to think what you might be dishing out over there that others less exposed to the history of this board than myself might still be taking seriously.

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:17 pm

[quote="jbuck919"
It is not terribly difficult to figure out who Lynn is based on information she has provided in her previous posts over many years and a Google search. [/quote]

I came to the forum later than most-I'd like to know who she really is. Regards, Len

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:20 pm

jbuck919 wrote: It is beyond me what gratification you get out of coming here, where people only want to exchange thoughts
What I find beyond me is that she's not thrown off the forum-she's the worst-my dossier is full with all the disrespectful insults she's made. Regards, Len

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by barney » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:51 pm

I don't mind Auntie Lynn 's insults. I find them entertaining, just as I do her egotism. You just have to see it as theatre, Lenny.
I certainly don't like seeing anyone thrown off the board.

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:04 pm

barney wrote: You just have to see it as theatre, Lenny.
I certainly don't like seeing anyone thrown off the board.
Barney wait-can I just think of it as Eurotrash! Regards, Len :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by Auntie Lynn » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:32 am

Now pay attention because I am only going to lay this out once. At my place(s) of
business, access is by card key only. Awhile back, some dude tracked me down somehow
and showed up at the front desk saying I had invited him there. Front desk would not let
him in and he raised hell, making a lot of trouble for me, which eventually got resolved. I
have no time for autograph seekers or stage-door johnny’s. I never give out personal
information, ever. It goes with the territory.

Now you can all go back to talking to each other (yawn)...

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:02 am

Auntie Lynn wrote:At my place(s) of business, access is by card key only. ... I
have no time for autograph seekers or stage-door johnny’s.
Was that your former place-the SF Ballet or some other place-don't worry though-I have no desire to get your autograph-I'd be happy if you just disappeared! Len :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by maestrob » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:19 am

Sorry to say this, but working musicians (as opposed to leading soloists) can be nasty, egotistical and bombastic just like regular folks: it comes with the territory. It's why conductors are known to be domineering rather than friendly and open. Friendly and open simply doesn't work in the orchestra pit: it mostly results in blah music-making. Leonard Bernstein made great music happen in New York, but he had to raise his voice to do it, and demand extra rehearsals to boot. While the players admired him, there were many who were angry & complained.

Auntie Lynn's just letting off steam: she needs to feel superior to someone, which leads me to believe she's working in a typical negative atmosphere where she's put down on a regular basis: this is just how she relates to people. It's sad, really.

And, no, the insults really don't belong here, not at all. :twisted:

Disturbed people are disturbing.

I have nothing more to say on the subject, except that the Chatterbox is sacred ground, and should be respected.

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by jbuck919 » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:11 pm

maestrob wrote:Sorry to say this, but working musicians (as opposed to leading soloists) can be nasty, egotistical and bombastic just like regular folks: it comes with the territory. It's why conductors are known to be domineering rather than friendly and open. Friendly and open simply doesn't work in the orchestra pit: it mostly results in blah music-making. Leonard Bernstein made great music happen in New York, but he had to raise his voice to do it, and demand extra rehearsals to boot. While the players admired him, there were many who were angry & complained.

Auntie Lynn's just letting off steam: she needs to feel superior to someone, which leads me to believe she's working in a typical negative atmosphere where she's put down on a regular basis: this is just how she relates to people. It's sad, really.

And, no, the insults really don't belong here, not at all. :twisted:

Disturbed people are disturbing.

I have nothing more to say on the subject, except that the Chatterbox is sacred ground, and should be respected.
OK, B., which of those not mutually compatible statements (in this context) is your real opinion? ;)

There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by maestrob » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:17 am

All of them are true. I stand by the one that says the Chatterbox is sacred ground, and that while AL may be just letting off steam, the steam belongs elsewhere, not here.

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by lennygoran » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:34 am

maestrob wrote:All of them are true. I stand by the one that says the Chatterbox is sacred ground, and that while AL may be just letting off steam, the steam belongs elsewhere, not here.
Maybe she's angry and bitter because she lost her job at SF Ballet-maybe they fired her-maybe they fired her for her persona-who knows-maybe her face! [fleeing] Maybe she's not as great as she claims to be-where are her youtube performances! Regards, Len :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by Auntie Lynn » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:13 pm

The Absolutely Totally Completely 100% Clueless Award goes to this thread...aren’t you
proud!!

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Re: Average Day For Musician

Post by THEHORN » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:53 pm

Speaking from my own experience as a performing musician before a physical disability force me to retire, I certainly never spent any of my time worrying about child prodigies ! I was something of one myself as a horn player starting from age 9 .
I didn't have "crippling self-doubt" , just a lot of frustration from numerous setbacks and rejections, which are par for the course . I did spend a lot of time both practicing and at rehearsals .

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