Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

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Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by dulcinea » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:25 pm

A poster on a YouTube video of one of Bruckner's symphonies--I forget which one--says that Bernstein took ideas from that symphony for his ON THE WATERFRONT score.
Is that true? Bernstein doesn't sound anything like Bruckner.
I just finished listening to the ORGAN SYMPHONY; how did Saint-Saens like the Swan from Linz?
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by Wallingford » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:03 pm

It's rather unlikely Saint-Saens had much exposure to Bruckner's music until, perhaps, the last decade or so of his life (he did die in 1921).

No, among the Austrian masters, Saint-Saens focused on Beethoven and Mozart: a few years before he reached the age of ten, he could play all five Beethoven concertos, and probably several Mozart concertos. In his adulthood, he wrote a set of variations on a theme by Beethoven (for two pianos).

The main living master Saint-Saens was influenced by was Franz Liszt, whom he did a lot to promote during his lifetime--witness the tone poems he wrote (Danse macabre, Omphale's Spinning Wheel, Phaeton, and La Jeunesse d'Hercule).

It's likely that Saint-Saens respected and/or admired Mendelssohn, who was almost his equal as a child prodigy.
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by some guy » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:47 am

Wallingford wrote:It's likely that Mendelssohn respected and/or admired Mendelssohn, who was almost his equal as a child prodigy.
Could you fix this typo? Now I'm curious about who respected who. :)
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by Wallingford » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:22 pm

OK, now it's fixed above....thanks for the alert.
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by some guy » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:28 am

No problemo, as I remember saying when I was a kid in California.

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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by dulcinea » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:30 pm

Is it true that the music of S-S was forbidden during the Nazi period because, like Mendelssohn, he was of Jewish ancestry?
Are there any famous musicians who are not of Jewish ancestry?
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by John F » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:27 pm

A. Saint-Saëns wasn't of Jewish descent, but the Nazis did ban his music. B. Most of them. How about Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms, for starters? :)
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by dulcinea » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:45 pm

John F wrote:A. Saint-Saëns wasn't of Jewish descent, but the Nazis did ban his music. B. Most of them. How about Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms, for starters? :)
A. Why?
B. The Bs are ten:
JS Bach
Bartok
Beethoven
Berlioz
Biber
Boccherini
Brahms
Britten
Bruckner
Byrd
Whom would you add?
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by John F » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:06 pm

A. On suspicion that he was Jewish, I suppose. Who knows? And why does it matter to you? B. I wasn't starting a list of composers whose names start with B, but answering your odd question whether there were any famous musicians who weren't Jewish. You yourself just added seven more. So I guess your question was some kind of a joke.
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by dulcinea » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:25 pm

John F wrote:A. On suspicion that he was Jewish, I suppose. Who knows? And why does it matter to you? B. I wasn't starting a list of composers whose names start with B, but answering your odd question whether there were any famous musicians who weren't Jewish. You yourself just added seven more. So I guess your question was some kind of a joke.
When I josh, it's obvious to everyone.
A. Since people like Otto Klemperer had to leave Europe because they were Jewish, I guessed that maybe that was the case with S-S.
B. I have always thought that Bulow was too provincial when he chose only Germans for his list of Bs, so I took up the challenge of looking further and farther for more Bs. Two Englishmen, one Hungarian, one Austrian, one Frenchman, one Italian and one Czech make for a quite cosmopolitan society of eminences, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Leonard Bernstein And Bruckner

Post by dulcinea » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:15 pm

dulcinea wrote:
John F wrote:A. On suspicion that he was Jewish, I suppose. Who knows? And why does it matter to you? B. I wasn't starting a list of composers whose names start with B, but answering your odd question whether there were any famous musicians who weren't Jewish. You yourself just added seven more. So I guess your question was some kind of a joke.
When I josh, it's obvious to everyone.
A. Since people like Otto Klemperer had to leave Europe because they were Jewish, I guessed that maybe that was the case with S-S.
B. I have always thought that Bulow was too provincial when he chose only Germans for his list of Bs, so I took up the challenge of looking further and farther for more Bs. Two Englishmen, one Hungarian, one Austrian, one Frenchman, one Italian and one Czech make for a quite cosmopolitan society of eminences, wouldn't you say?
I considered adding L Bernstein; however, his MASS is a really messy joke.
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