Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Your 'hot spot' for all classical music subjects. Non-classical music subjects are to be posted in the Corner Pub.

Moderators: Lance, Corlyss_D

Post Reply
jserraglio
Posts: 4644
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 7:06 am
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Post by jserraglio » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:32 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAc3wV4mH9s



Karlheinz Stockhausen's masterpiece, Gruppen for 3 Orchestras (1955-57), will berecreated in the Turbine Hall of Tate Modern, with the London Symphony Orchestraconducted by Simon Rattle and broadcast on Radio 3 on Saturday 30 June.

Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928–2007)

Introducing the work, Stockhausen wrote: "When I was composing Gruppen, I had a little room in Switzerland for three months, and there was a small window in front of my desk through which I could see the incredible shapes of the mountains on the other side of the valley. Whole envelopes of rhythmic blocks are exact lines of mountains that I saw... in front of my little window."

What is going on in the score?
Within its three orchestras, the "normal" range of orchestral instruments – strings,
woodwind and brass – is supplemented by great arrays of percussion, including
marimbaphone, Glockenspiel, cowbells, tamtam, African slotted wood drums, tomtoms andbongos.

Stockhausen characterised the music thus: "From time to time the two or three groups
come closer and closer until they meet in the same rhythm of sound and become
transformed. One receives the other into itself. Or plays with it. Extinguishes it. They fall apart or cling together. Or they coalesce..."

What does Gruppen sound like?
Veteran Boston Globe critic Richard Dyer attended a performance at Tanglewood in 1993: "Hearing parts of it is a visceral experience, but the piece is also subtle and the listener becomes aware of the awesome precision of Stockhausen's ear and imagination, of a vein of lyricism, a sense of whimsy amid the intensities and explosions, and even of a sense of fun."

How was the piece received?
Gruppen has been hailed as "a landmark in 20th-century music... probably the first work of the post-war generation of composers in which technique and imagination combine on the highest level to produce an undisputable masterpiece."

Conductor Simon Rattle has experience with Gruppen, which lends itself to large spaces such as Tate Modern, where the players are surrounded by the audience: he conducted a memorable performance in 2008 in an abandoned hangar in the old Berlin airport, and sharing the conducting of the subdivided Berlin Philharmonic with Daniel Harding, and Michael Boder.

Stockhausen on how to perform Gruppen
Writing in 1996, Stockhausen gave specific instructions about how the work should be laid out and rehearsed, and was quick to identify potential pitfalls:

1. Performance Practice
"For all tutti rehearsals, each of the three conductors needs a microphone and a monitor
loudspeaker to be able to communicate with the other two conductors, but his own
microphone should not be circuited to his own monitor (danger of feed-back). This circuiting must be ready and tested before the first tutti rehearsal.

2. The Sound projectionist for the tutti rehearsals
"During the past several years, I have occasionally participated in the tutti rehearsals of
Gruppen from the middle of the hall during the final three days preceding a performance. In the course of these rehearsals, the conductors realised how important it was – and they have suggested for the future – to have a sound director in the middle of the hall who balances the dynamics, communicates with the conductors about other corrections, and, in general, leads the rehearsals, speaking over a microphone, with monitor loudspeakers on each podium.
"One of the three conductors must visit the performance venue when a performance of Gruppen has been definitively planned. He (she) must also have a detailed discussion with the percussionists and check all percussion instruments, celesta, glockenspiel etc. Experience has repeatedly shown that the pitches of the percussion instruments were wrong. In addition, the orchestra parts must be checked by the conductors ahead of time, because every now and then, uncorrected rental material is delivered."

Nonetheless, conductors always need to find their own modus operandi: before the 1993 performance at Tanglewood, Oliver Knussen, Reinbert de Leeuw and Robert Spano even held a number of "silent'' rehearsals, without the orchestras present, so that they could address issues arising from Stockhausen's superimposition of conflicting rhythms in the score.

lennygoran
Posts: 13846
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:28 pm
Location: new york city

Re: Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Post by lennygoran » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:37 am

Very interesting-thanks. Regards, Len

jserraglio
Posts: 4644
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 7:06 am
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Re: Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Post by jserraglio » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:38 am

lennygoran wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:37 am
Very interesting-thanks. Regards, Len
I'm breaking out a set of headphones for the binaural. Forgot to mention, this is hosted on my YT account, unlisted. I converted the raw AAC file of the broadcast to MP3 and uploaded it to youTube.
Last edited by jserraglio on Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:44 am, edited 1 time in total.

lennygoran
Posts: 13846
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:28 pm
Location: new york city

Re: Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Post by lennygoran » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:42 am

jserraglio wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:38 am
I'm breaking out a set of headphones.
Don't need headphones-I'm listening upstairs on the PC where my wife can't hear it! Regards, Len :lol:

jserraglio
Posts: 4644
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 7:06 am
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Re: Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Post by jserraglio » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:46 am

lennygoran wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:42 am
jserraglio wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:38 am
I'm breaking out a set of headphones.
Don't need headphones-I'm listening upstairs on the PC where my wife can't hear it!
To hear binaural's full spatial effects, important in this work, I believe you do.

lennygoran
Posts: 13846
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:28 pm
Location: new york city

Re: Rattle-LSO - Stockhausen Gruppen - Turbine Hall of Tate Modern 30 June 2018 - binaural sound

Post by lennygoran » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 am

jserraglio wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:46 am
To hear binaural's full spatial effects, important in this work, I believe you do.
Maybe this afternoon I'll try it again downstairs where I have headsets for the 53 inch TV-I can get to youtube using my roku. I'm listening to it a second time now while I do other computer activities but when I listen again downstairs I am going to go for a live performance so I can see the orchestras-I must say the first listening was not objectionable to me-otoh.....Regards, Len :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW1JWE5zzDU


Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests