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Music of our time?

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:12 pm

One of our most interesting members, who seldom if ever posts here now because he considers the place to be moribund (and he may have a point), posted this on Facebook. I happen to like it, and would happily hear a live performance. I don't expect everyone or even anyone here to share that opinion, but unless we want to be total antiquarians with our great masters receding further and further into the past, perhaps we should think about being open to possibilities other than the neo-neo-Romanticism that dominates new and evanescent composition. Plug your ears at one point if you want to keep your high-frequency hearing.

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by John F » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:21 pm

We need a link or a title to find it on YouTube, whatever it is.
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Re: Music of our time?

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:18 pm

John F wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:21 pm
We need a link or a title to find it on YouTube, whatever it is.
Sorry, John, I just checked it myself and had no trouble just clicking on it to play. Perhaps you might try again.

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by Rach3 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:52 pm

This is not the first Murail I've heard , but thanks for the post.My opinion only, but not impressed so far.

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by John F » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:51 am

OK, now I've got it. Sometimes this kind of embedded link doesn't show up in my browser, which is why I also include a standard text link.
jbuck919 wrote:perhaps we should think about being open to possibilities other than the neo-neo-Romanticism
The music of Kaija Saariaho, which I've been promoting in CMG for years, is certainly not neo-neo-Romantic, and I hear more in it than in this piece by Murail, interesting though that is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkeju6aF9fQ

"Lonh" is a setting for soprano and electronics of a medieval troubadour poem about far-distant love. It's a precursor of her opera "L'Amour de loin" which was performed by the Metropolitan Opera last season. I see there are several performances on YouTube in addition to this premiere recording by its dedicatee Dawn Upshaw.

http://saariaho.org/works/lonh/
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Re: Music of our time?

Post by Rach3 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:05 am

John F wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:51 am
The music of Kaija Saariaho, which I've been promoting in CMG for years, is certainly not neo-neo-Romantic, and I hear more in it than in this piece by Murail, interesting though that is.
Yes. Try also Kalevi Aho, several on YT.

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by John F » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:53 pm

There's a host of contemporary Finnish composers who are neither nationalists a la Sibelius or adherents to any modern school, writing fine, listenable music. Besides Saariaho, Aho, Esa Pekka Salonen, and Magnus Lindberg, I'd mention Joonas Kokkonen and especially Aulis Sallinen, an important symphonist at a time when they are scarce.

The Finnish National Opera brought Kokkonen's "The Last Temptation" and Sallinen's "The Red Line" to the Met, and both made a strong impression. Here's a bit from "The Red Line."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKRzDKFNec

From the Wikipedia plot summary: "A pedlar enters, Simana Arhippaini from Karelia, tells the children riddles and sings a ballad, but cannot answer their serious questions."
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Re: Music of our time?

Post by jbuck919 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:56 pm

John F wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:51 am
OK, now I've got it. Sometimes this kind of embedded link doesn't show up in my browser, which is why I also include a standard text link.
jbuck919 wrote:perhaps we should think about being open to possibilities other than the neo-neo-Romanticism
The music of Kaija Saariaho, which I've been promoting in CMG for years, is certainly not neo-neo-Romantic, and I hear more in it than in this piece by Murail, interesting though that is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkeju6aF9fQ

"Lonh" is a setting for soprano and electronics of a medieval troubadour poem about far-distant love. It's a precursor of her opera "L'Amour de loin" which was performed by the Metropolitan Opera last season. I see there are several performances on YouTube in addition to this premiere recording by its dedicatee Dawn Upshaw.

http://saariaho.org/works/lonh/
This is Sprechstimme, which you yourself in the past have declined to call music in the context of Pierrot Lunaire. One of the difficulties with newer music is how to integrate the human voice. Also, it is not necessary for electronics to be involved. Excellent performers welcome a new challenge, a situation that has prevailed since western polyphony first developed. Finding an audience is the problem, but then most modern audiences attend for reasons rather than educated connoissership. They don't know the difference between Beethoven and Roll Over Beethoven.

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by John F » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:57 pm

I don't believe you can have listened past the opening minute, because the remaining 14 minutes are sung, quite beautifully, by Dawn Upshaw.
jbuck919 wrote:it is not necessary for electronics to be involved
I don't understand. Electronics are as necessary to "Lonh" as the piano is to "Winterreise."
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Re: Music of our time?

Post by Belle » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:07 pm

John F wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:57 pm
I don't believe you can have listened past the opening minute, because the remaining 14 minutes are sung, quite beautifully, by Dawn Upshaw.
She does have a beautiful voice; I love Dawn. And this is some 'music of our time' which I adore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GNBPJ5FVeU

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by jbuck919 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:47 pm

Belle wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:07 pm
John F wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:57 pm
I don't believe you can have listened past the opening minute, because the remaining 14 minutes are sung, quite beautifully, by Dawn Upshaw.
She does have a beautiful voice; I love Dawn. And this is some 'music of our time' which I adore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GNBPJ5FVeU
I stand corrected.

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Re: Music of our time?

Post by John F » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:34 am

Somehow I don't believe jbuck919 had Broadway musicals in mind. :mrgreen:
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Re: Music of our time?

Post by Belle » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:08 pm

John F wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:34 am
Somehow I don't believe jbuck919 had Broadway musicals in mind. :mrgreen:
I know it and was just being facetious!! :D

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