Pogorelich live 1981,1982

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Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Rach3 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:21 pm

Some of what the shouting, pro and con, was about. Young Pogorelich, aged 22-24, 1981 and 1982.Originality,intensity,vitality,coherence,some excesses perhaps, yet already glimpses of his “deconstructions” , different excesses, to come now late in his career. Whether you enjoy ( I did ! ) , or disagree with, these interpretations , not to be missed for pianophiles,IMHO.


April 15,1981,Concertgebouw,Amsterdam,about 6 months after Warsaw Chopin Competition,1980.


Chopin, Frédéric

Prelude voor piano nr.25, op.45
Sonate voor piano nr.2, op.35
Scherzo voor piano nr.3, op.39 ( !!! )
Schumann, Robert
Toccata voor piano, op.7
Ravel, Maurice
Gaspard de la nuit ( !! )

https://www.nporadio4.nl/concerten/8354 ... hopin-1981

May,22, 1982, Concertgebouw,Amsterdam.

Beethoven, Ludwig van
Sonate voor piano nr.32, op.111 ( !!! )
Schumann, Robert
Symphonic Etudes, Op.13 ( !! ), without the posthumous variations.
Chopin, Frédéric
Polonaise voor piano, op.44 in fis kl.t.
Scarlatti, Domenico
Sonate voor toetsinstrument K.1 in d kl.t.

https://www.nporadio4.nl/concerten/8355 ... erdam-1982

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by maestrob » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:06 am

Pogorelich made 14 very fine discs for DGG, and luckily they have been collected and issued in a box set by that company. Some real gems here, including his Scarlatti, while the Chopin Preludes are quite individual, they are also interesting:

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by maestrob » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:44 pm

I've just finished listening to the 1982 Concertgebouw recital, and have had an extremely positive response to Pogorelich's playing, especially in the Beethoven Op. 111. YMMV, but I highly recommend to all here this outstanding concert. Thanks, Rach3 for sharing with us. Pogorelich, at that time, was a most exciting and brilliant artist. What a generous program, and not a dull moment!

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Rach3 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:21 pm

maestrob wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:44 pm
What a generous program, and not a dull moment!
Glad you enjoyed. I agree the Op.111 was quite interesting and original , especially for a 23-24 year old. Do also listen to the 1981 as well, where I felt the Chopin Prelude and Scherzo , as well as " Gaspard", were also remarkable. Pity he is no longer " with" us.

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by barney » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:39 pm

If I recall aright, he did some superb Prokofiev sonatas around that time, which I got on LP.

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by maestrob » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:18 am

barney wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:39 pm
If I recall aright, he did some superb Prokofiev sonatas around that time, which I got on LP.
Yes, VI was issued on CD with "Gaspard." Extraordinary playing of both titles; I still have the original release.

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by maestrob » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:53 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:21 pm
maestrob wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:44 pm
What a generous program, and not a dull moment!
Glad you enjoyed. I agree the Op.111 was quite interesting and original , especially for a 23-24 year old. Do also listen to the 1981 as well, where I felt the Chopin Prelude and Scherzo , as well as " Gaspard", were also remarkable. Pity he is no longer " with" us.
Have just finished hearing the 1981 concert as well, and much enjoyed it. I've known his excellent "Gaspard" since it was first issued on CD, and his live performance is not much different from the commercial recording. Early Pogorelich is one of my guilty pleasures! Thanks again for finding these.

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Lance » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:31 pm

Yes, like you, Brian, I have the 14 originally-released CDs (including some of the LPs that fortunately made it to CD). Individualism is right-on about his playing. I felt the same way about Russian pianist André Gavrilov, who, unfortunately, went off on a rather very deep end. Gavrilov's early recordings for EMI/RCA/DGG offered some exceptionally fine playing, especially in the music of Bach. A K&K Verlagenst CD of an all-Chopin live recital from 1999 totally shocked my ears very negatively in this disc.

So, what has happened to the careers of both Pogorelich and Gavrilov? No recordings from either in one very long time.
maestrob wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:06 am
Pogorelich made 14 very fine discs for DGG, and luckily they have been collected and issued in a box set by that company. Some real gems here, including his Scarlatti, while the Chopin Preludes are quite individual, they are also interesting:
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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Rach3 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:12 pm

Lance wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:31 pm
So, what has happened to the careers of both Pogorelich and Gavrilov? No recordings from either in one very long time.

Gavrilov , as of Sept.,2017 ; perhaps :

http://www.interlude.hk/front/andrei-ga ... ring-love/

Pogorelich, as of Feb.,2015 ; perhaps :

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/ ... ll-london-

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Lance » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:08 am

Thank you, Rach3. I was able to read the Gavrilov link below and was disheartened to see what he has been experiencing during the last eight years. Tragic, indeed. Thank God for the freedoms we have and enjoy! I was NOT able to open the link on Pogorelich. Can you double-check that link and send it again. Many thanks.

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Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:12 pm
Lance wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:31 pm
So, what has happened to the careers of both Pogorelich and Gavrilov? No recordings from either in one very long time.

Gavrilov , as of Sept.,2017 ; perhaps :

http://www.interlude.hk/front/andrei-ga ... ring-love/

Pogorelich, as of Feb.,2015 ; perhaps :

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/ ... ll-london-
Lance G. Hill
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When she started to play, Mr. Steinway came down and personally
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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Rach3 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:49 am

Lance wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:08 am
I was NOT able to open the link on Pogorelich. Can you double-check that link and send it again.
Sorry. Here is the Guardian review , plus some other items re; Pogorelich recently.The death of his wife in 1996 , who was his teacher in 1980 , had profound effect.


The Guardian,Feb.25,2015,Andrew Clements :

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/ ... don-review

“This was, apparently, Ivo Pogorelich’s first appearance at the Festival Hall since 1999. The Belgrade-born, Croatian pianist may have had a difficult time over the past two decades, but this return was, by any measure, a wretched affair, neither technically or musically of a standard that should have been put before a paying audience as part of an international piano series.
Pogorelich was always a wilful, uneven pianist, capable of mixing technical brilliance with crude, crass interpretative ideas. Now that technical brilliance has apparently disappeared, leaving only the crassness behind. His Festival Hall programme was certainly a boldly ambitious one, following the Dante Sonata from the second book of Liszt’s Années de Pèlerinage with Schumann’s majestic C major Fantasy, and prefacing Brahms’s Paganini Variations with Stravinsky’s Three Movements from Petrushka. There can be no hiding places in a sequence like that, and it was clear from the first few minutes of the Liszt that Pogorelich’s technique was not going to be up to the challenges he had set for himself.
The results continued to be as uncomfortable and profoundly unmusical as anything I’ve heard in a concert hall in many years. Pogorelich gave no hint of why he had chosen these works, or what his personal response to them was. Textures were unbalanced, emphases misplaced and phrasing often nonexistent, with pauses and exaggerated rubato introduced in the most inappropriate places so that all sense of continuity or shape was eliminated. Most distressing of all, there was no apparent concern for keyboard colour or touch; the playing was so brutally loud and crude that, well before the interval, the Steinway was audibly suffering from his assault.
Most of the time, too, Pogorelich played as if he were sight-reading, eyes glued to the score in front of him, and only in the Brahms variations did he seem to be thinking of the musical result rather than of just getting to the end of each piece. Such moments were fleeting, though; it was truly a gruesome, deeply depressing experience.”

A 2016 Slipped Disc piece with various Comments below.

https://slippedisc.com/2016/10/just-in- ... d-silence/

Budapest,live 2017 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LfUiVhN37o

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by maestrob » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:05 am

How sad. :cry:

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Post by Lance » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:03 pm

Wow! What an embarrassing review. I had heard Pogorelich was greatly affected by the death of his teacher/wife. And so it appears that his early DGG recordings may well represent him at his then best. It is a tragedy and very sad.
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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Rach3 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:28 pm

Pogorelich live in Vienna, April 17 , 2018 ( audio only ) , a better sounding and more intelligible YT than the 2017 link I posted earlier here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2UGmu3rMc

Chopin, 3rd Ballade
Liszt TE’s “Wilde Jagd “ , “Feux Follets “ , “Octave “ ( Nos. 8,5,10 )
Ravel, “ La Valse “

Sad.

Gavrilov live in the Ukraine,2016 playing a Scarlatti sonata and Prokofieff’s “ Suggestion diabolique”, audio and video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecubk6x1Ca4

Great.

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Re: Pogorelich live 1981,1982

Post by Rach3 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:31 am

Rach3 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:21 pm
Some of what the shouting, pro and con, was about. Young Pogorelich, aged 22-24, 1981 and 1982.

Finally,in fairness, a few more Pogorelich suggestions from better times :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwMnYP91tMo ( Chopin 3rd Scherzo, 1980 live video Warsaw )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5OkSfbsQfI ( Chopin 24th Prelude,1980 live video Warsaw )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_CZhsTEj1o (Scriabin 4th Sonata, Carnegie live audio 1990 )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnoymDZfAU (Liszt B minor Sonata, 1991 DGG studio )

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