2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:58 pm

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:33 pm
It's Kantorow!! The Frenchman. A shock win.
Perhaps unexpected in general, but not a surprise for me for this particular French pianist. See my Tuesday post here, and do hear his 2 concertos.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:54 pm

This “tragedy” of course will raise the “ what if “ question and cast a pall over the results:

http://tinyurl.com/y3252q6d ( I converted to Tiny Url to obscure Lebrecht’s vulgarity.)

https://tch16.medici.tv/en/replay/#filt ... -an-tianxu

An is visibly terrified.Can you imagine having to change from PIT # 1 to Rach Rhapsody in about 10 secs ??!! They should have rescheduled an extra day, but Russia cant afford the cost. Russia is much better at corrupting the Trump family.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:54 pm
This “tragedy” of course will raise the “ what if “ question and cast a pall over the results:

http://tinyurl.com/y3252q6d ( I converted to Tiny Url to obscure Lebrecht’s vulgarity.)

https://tch16.medici.tv/en/replay/#filt ... -an-tianxu

An is visibly terrified.Can you imagine having to change from PIT # 1 to Rach Rhapsody in about 10 secs ??!! They should have rescheduled an extra day, but Russia cant afford the cost. Russia is much better at corrupting the Trump family.
I felt for the guy, I really did. It was just awful. I wonder what role the conductor played in this fiasco? All that hard work, sweat and stress for that to happen to the Chinese competitor. There really wasn't that much between the top contenders, after all. We had trouble with the Sydney International Piano Competition one year when the wrong first place award was announced!! A lot of side-stepping, apologies and red faces.

I think competitors need to be prepared for any and all contingencies!!

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Lance » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:31 am

Victor Schiøler* was a favourite of mine, from Denmark … seems quite forgotten today. According to Wiki: "Victor Schiøler was born, and died, in Copenhagen. He studied with his mother, then with Ignaz Friedman and Artur Schnabel. He made his debut on 23 January 1914 in Copenhagen and from 1919 toured Europe. He made his first American tour after the war in 1948-49. He was also active as a conductor in Denmark. He recorded for Danacord and RCA Victor."
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The luck of the draw, I guess. Certainly there have been quite a few outstanding Scandinavian pianists, such as Gunnar Johansen (Denmark) and Leif Ove Andsnes (Norway). Neither of them entered any competitions; they didn't need to, having successfully launched their careers in their 20s.
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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by John F » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:25 am

Schiøler was another Scandinavian pianist who never entered a competition. I know the name and must have heard at least one of his recordings long ago but I remember nothing about it.
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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:53 am

A recent solo recital by winner Kantorow if interested:

Rachmaninoff Sonata #1, Brahms Sonata # 2 , " Firebird ", Faure :

https://www.nporadio4.nl/concerten/9151 ... e-kantorow

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by maestrob » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:41 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:53 am
A recent solo recital by winner Kantorow if interested:

Rachmaninoff Sonata #1, Brahms Sonata # 2 , " Firebird ", Faure :

https://www.nporadio4.nl/concerten/9151 ... e-kantorow
This is an excellent recital. I understand why the panel chose him, even though I wasn't able to follow the details of the competition. Kantarow has what it takes. Besides an outstanding technique, he has a depth of feeling and musical inflection that were equally effective in both Rachmaninoff and Brahms, even though Brahms II is not my favorite piece. Congratulations to the winner: he doesn't have many recordings yet, but I will now follow this excellent pianist in the future.

Thanks for posting this!

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:16 pm

Belle wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:29 pm
Shiraz? I don't actually drink more than the occasional Chardonnay, to be honest.
" I cook with wine, sometimes I even add it to the food." W. C. Fields

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:19 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:16 pm
Belle wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:29 pm
Shiraz? I don't actually drink more than the occasional Chardonnay, to be honest.
" I cook with wine, sometimes I even add it to the food." W. C. Fields
Absolute gold!!!

I've watch the Kantorov performances now and I was deeply impressed with the "Firebird" transcription in the semi-finals. What a composer Stravinsky was!! I think the case for piano transcriptions has been more than made; we get to hear the DNA of the music with more clarity when it is 'drilled down' and reduced to essential elements.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by maestrob » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:27 am

Belle wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:19 pm
Rach3 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:16 pm
Belle wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:29 pm
Shiraz? I don't actually drink more than the occasional Chardonnay, to be honest.
" I cook with wine, sometimes I even add it to the food." W. C. Fields
Absolute gold!!!

I've watch the Kantorov performances now and I was deeply impressed with the "Firebird" transcription in the semi-finals. What a composer Stravinsky was!! I think the case for piano transcriptions has been more than made; we get to hear the DNA of the music with more clarity when it is 'drilled down' and reduced to essential elements.
Rach3: 8) :lol:

Belle: Kantarow played the Firebird in the recital posted here from French radio as well: I too was very impressed by his performance. He's got "it" in spades methinks!

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:17 pm

Kantorow 3 years ago in a guilty pleasure of mine, the Saint-Saens PC # 5, an uncommon sensitivity and depth in his reading, especially at his age :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y23f_fCSTo ( video )

Orchestre de Chambre Nouvelle Europe
Nicolas Krauze, conductor

Live concert in Neuilly-sur-Seine, France, October 2016

A new BIS cd I may have to consider since # 3 is wonderful and # 4 may be my fav S-S PC of all:

https://bis.se/performers/kantorow-alex ... os-nos-3-5

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:31 pm

He's impressive, certainly. I also admired Emelyanov and think he has the poise and talent for a successful career - which I'm sure he'll have.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:41 pm

Belle wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:31 pm
I also admired Emelyanov and think he has the poise and talent for a successful career - which I'm sure he'll have.
Agreed.Yemelyanov was my choice, even after his concertos, until I heard Kantorow's concertos.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:13 am

Bit more of Kantorow ,from 2016,2017,2019:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-90ysgiG28 (Brahms,Waltz,Op.39,# 15 )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUtA5jlpGjw ( Saint-Saens/Liszt/Horowitz “Danse Macabre” )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxVybstjvzU (Brahms,Rhapsody,Op.79,# 1 )

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:59 am

That Brahms always brings tears. I don't know why. Perhaps because I just love the composer so very much. Kantorow gives an excellent account of it.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:47 am

Belle wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:59 am
That Brahms always brings me to tears. I don't know why. Perhaps because I just love the composer so very much. Kantorow gives an excellent account of it.
Agree with you on Brahms.Here is one that does it for me, the slow mov. of his 3rd Piano Sonata played live by Wilhelm Kempff in London,QEH,1969,a recital Alfred Brendel attended, said Kempff's playing " miraculous" that night,from the BBC Legends cd I highly recommend.Cd also includes Schumann's " Papillons" and Op.17 Fantasy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTK244TP1Sg ( Complete 3rd sonata, slow mov. starts about 7:00 in. )

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by John F » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:08 am

Kantorow's Brahms concerto is certainly a good performance, more mature than his 22 years. That said, I think the first movement needs more backbone, meaning less rubato which Kantorow does too much, as if to show what a sensitive musician he is. Richter and Serkin are more to my taste. But he is a sensitive musician, and in Liszt (he's already recorded the concertos for BIS) I'm sure he is excellent.
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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:33 pm

John F wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:08 am
Kantorow's Brahms concerto is certainly a good performance, more mature than his 22 years. That said, I think the first movement needs more backbone,
I tend to agree with you as to about the first 1/3 of that mov., but he picked up the pace for the rest of that mov. Perhaps he intentionally wanted to create more contrast as the mov. progressed. I'm also fond of the Gilels/Reiner 1958 recording.Kantorow has also just released on BIS cd the Saint-Saens PC's Nos.3 -5.His playing of # 5 live in 2016 is on YT , and I thought quite well done, fww.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:05 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:47 am
Belle wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:59 am
That Brahms always brings me to tears. I don't know why. Perhaps because I just love the composer so very much. Kantorow gives an excellent account of it.
Agree with you on Brahms.Here is one that does it for me, the slow mov. of his 3rd Piano Sonata played live by Wilhelm Kempff in London,QEH,1969,a recital Alfred Brendel attended, said Kempff's playing " miraculous" that night,from the BBC Legends cd I highly recommend.Cd also includes Schumann's " Papillons" and Op.17 Fantasy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTK244TP1Sg ( Complete 3rd sonata, slow mov. starts about 7:00 in. )
Absolutely lovely; I do not know that Sonata by Brahms! And the magnificent piano sound of Kempff's instrument. It rings like bells. I have his complete Schubert and the piano sound is exactly the same. I'm wondering if it was his own instrument.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:05 am

Belle wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:05 pm
Absolutely lovely; I do not know that Sonata by Brahms!
Check out also similar moments in some of his late piano works ( Opa.116-119 ) and late clarinet works, if not familiar with those .

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by John F » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:37 am

Wilhelm Kempff recorded Brahms's late piano music twice, for Decca in the '50s and DG in the '60s. This is from the DG recording:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9U4KSiqV3s
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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:44 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:05 am
Belle wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:05 pm
Absolutely lovely; I do not know that Sonata by Brahms!
Check out also similar moments in some of his late piano works ( Opa.116-119 ) and late clarinet works, if not familiar with those .
I have recordings of these. I do not really know the piano sonatas as I have never really thought these were up to the standard of Brahms's other works.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Rach3 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:16 pm

Belle wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:44 pm
I do not really know the piano sonatas as I have never really thought these were up to the standard of Brahms's other works.
I came very late to the sonatas, but glad I did. The 3rd,Op.5 , is wonderful, as is the 1st ,Op.1. The 2nd , Op.2, is crazy ,but worth a hear ( 2019 Tchaikovsky Competition winner Kantorow played the 2nd at his semi-final solo recital). I can recommend Richter's 1982 (1987 ? ) studio recording of the 1st and 2nd done in Italy, I believe on Decca ( London ). I think it is at YT. The Op.4 Scherzo is another early must hear, as is the Op.9 Schumann Variations.Of course, the Op.8 Piano Trio.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by Belle » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:53 pm

Rach3 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Belle wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:44 pm
I do not really know the piano sonatas as I have never really thought these were up to the standard of Brahms's other works.
I came very late to the sonatas, but glad I did. The 3rd,Op.5 , is wonderful, as is the 1st ,Op.1. The 2nd , Op.2, is crazy ,but worth a hear ( 2019 Tchaikovsky Competition winner Kantorow played the 2nd at his semi-final solo recital). I can recommend Richter's 1982 (1987 ? ) studio recording of the 1st and 2nd done in Italy, I believe on Decca ( London ). I think it is at YT. The Op.4 Scherzo is another early must hear, as is the Op.9 Schumann Variations.Of course, the Op.8 Piano Trio.
Ok, will give these a go.

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Re: 2019 Tchaikovsky Piano Competition

Post by maestrob » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:54 am

Agree about the Richter recording of Brahms Sonatas I & II. They are decidedly not Brahms at his best, but there are moments in each that are worth hearing. III, OTOH, is a gem from start to finish: it's in a class by itself, far above the other two, and is often played and recorded. Murray Perahia has recorded it, and his reading stands out for me as one of the best.

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