Philippe Jaroussky

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Philippe Jaroussky

Post by Belle » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:32 am

Do you think Faure wrote this for a counter-tenor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF9LAwyGA0w

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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by John F » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:45 am

He didn't, but art songs are often sung by voice types they weren't written for. Schubert's "Winterreise" has been recorded several times by women, from Lotte Lehmann to Christa Ludwig. Less often do men sing women's songs; I've never heard Schubert's "Gretchen am Spinnrade" sung by a baritone or tenor.
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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by Belle » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:13 am

John F wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:45 am
He didn't, but art songs are often sung by voice types they weren't written for. Schubert's "Winterreise" has been recorded several times by women, from Lotte Lehmann to Christa Ludwig. Less often do men sing women's songs; I've never heard Schubert's "Gretchen am Spinnrade" sung by a baritone or tenor.
How do you like Jaroussky's Faure song? I tend to equate counter-tenors with baroque and early baroque music. The Faure song is utterly charming!!

Jaroussky trained as a concert pianist so he's a man of great talent.

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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by John F » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:48 am

Actually, most of the 18th century operatic repertoire we hear sung by countertenors was composed for castratos, a very different type of voice from falsetto soprano or alto. And there have been some modern operas with castrato parts, such as Oberon in Britten's "Midsummer Night's Dream" originally sung by Alfred Deller.

Jarousky manages "Clair de Lune" well enough but to me it's pretty but rather monotonous, as with much counter-tenor singing. Janet Baker is more my kind of singer, with a breathtaking pianissimo on the third verse's "Au calme clair de lune":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kpz64s_d-I

And then there's the incomparable sensitivity of Gérard Souzay, who shades not just phrases but words, such as the last one, "marbres":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGf0w0zghFI

Chacun a son gout!
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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by Belle » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:02 pm

Absolutely lovely. I adore Janet Baker!! A friend gave me a CD of songs sung by Alfred Deller (mostly Purcell) and I wasn't so fond of them. That was 20 plus years ago.

I'm so glad we have no castrati today!! Happy with the counter-tenors and particularly like Jaroussky's work. However, not a fan of him singing this wonderful song by Faure. What I'm wondering is why he made the choice to sing the work of Faure in the first place; maybe he's finding himself limited by genre.

When I said the Faure song was 'utterly charming' I meant the piano part itself, which is full of lyricism which isn't over the top. I have the complete piano works of Faure (Collard), however, and hardly listen to them (apart from "Dolly Suite"). It's not the kind of music that holds my attention for very long.

And this is what I want to hear from Jaroussky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tha82wHV_XQ

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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by John F » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:17 am

I'm afraid most of Fauré\s music in any form seems to me rather insipid, in itself and compaered with other French composers'. Of course there are exceptions such as the lovely Sicilienne that he reorchestrated for "Pelléas et Mélisande," but not many that I've heard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49JlsIA1Uzo
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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by Belle » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:21 am

Absolutely perfect, that piece!! Faure was a gentle soul, if his music is any measure. I wouldn't say his piano music is 'insipid'; in fact, I feel it's rather like Grieg's. I just find that it doesn't hold my attention these days and sadly this boxed set of complete piano works is relegated to the burgeoning section in my collection of works I seldom listen to these days. Our tastes change; mine certainly has.

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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by maestrob » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:46 am

John F wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:17 am
I'm afraid most of Fauré\s music in any form seems to me rather insipid, in itself and compaered with other French composers'. Of course there are exceptions such as the lovely Sicilienne that he reorchestrated for "Pelléas et Mélisande," but not many that I've heard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49JlsIA1Uzo
Lovely! I haven't heard that in a while.

I made my professional debut as the baritone soloist at age 18 in the Faure Requiem backed by the choir of 45 voices I sang in while in college (Villanova) at a local Baptist church in Wayne, Pa. where I grew up. I've always admired the Requiem, but haven't played it in years. A good piece for church groups and amateur societies, IMHO.

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Re: Philippe Jaroussky

Post by Rach3 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:01 pm

Although not my favs, Faure’s piano quartets and piano quintets are worth my occasional listening .

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