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Revolt against abortion in the UK

Post by keaggy220 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:42 am

The "4D" technology developed by GE has been a huge win for pro-lifers. People in the health industry (some call this the medical field) can no longer take comfort in believing that a fetus is only a blob of tissue, but they can now see a living human being tucked away safely in the mothers womb and this is making them very uneasy about performing abortions for the sake of convenience. My hope is that in 50 years society will have a much more civil way of dealing with unwanted pregnancies and will offer life giving solutions that are non-destructive. What we have now is barbaric.

Abortion crisis as doctors refuse to perform surgery
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Published: 16 April 2007

Britain is facing an abortion crisis because an unprecedented number of doctors are refusing to be involved in carrying out the procedure. The exodus of doctors prepared to perform the task is a nationwide phenomenon that threatens to plunge the abortion service into chaos, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) has warned.
More than 190,000 abortions are carried out each year in England and Wales and the NHS is already struggling to cope. Four out of five abortions are paid for by the NHS but almost half of those are carried out in the private sector, paid for by the NHS.

The reluctance of NHS staff, both doctors and nurses, to be involved has led to a doubling of abortions paid for by the NHS, which are carried out in the private or charitable sector, from 20 per cent of the total in 1997 to almost 40 per cent.

Distaste at performing terminations combined with ethical and religious convictions has led to a big increase in "conscientious objectors" who request exemption from the task, the RCOG says. A key factor is what specialists call "the dinner party test". Gynaecologists who specialise in fertility treatment creating babies for childless couples are almost universally revered - but no one boasts of being an abortionist.

As a result, after decades of campaigning, anti-abortion organisations may be on the point of achieving their objective by default. Repeated efforts to tighten the law have failed and public opinion remains firmly in support, but the growing number of doctors refusing to do the work means there may soon not be enough prepared to carry out terminations to meet demand.

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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:55 am

But with the growth of prenatal testing and government financed healthcare, it quickly becomes almost a crime against society not to abort any child who is not perfectly normal. Everytime a child with Downs Syndrome is aborted, the state saves millions in future healthcare expenditures. As time progresses and Europe's demographic suicide progresses, the pressures for eugenics and euthanasia will become too great to resist.

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Post by Ralph » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:15 am

No doctor or nurse has to perform abortions. Their right not to participate in elective abortions is as great as a woman's right to choose the procedure.
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Post by keaggy220 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:42 am

Ralph wrote:No doctor or nurse has to perform abortions. Their right not to participate in elective abortions is as great as a woman's right to choose the procedure.
You bring up an interesting point... The abortion industry is already challenged to find enough doctors to meet termination demands so what happens if the trend continues and enough doctors find the procedure too barbaric to perform and women can no longer fulfill their termination rights?

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Post by Harvested Sorrow » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:43 pm

keaggy220 wrote:
Ralph wrote:No doctor or nurse has to perform abortions. Their right not to participate in elective abortions is as great as a woman's right to choose the procedure.
You bring up an interesting point... The abortion industry is already challenged to find enough doctors to meet termination demands so what happens if the trend continues and enough doctors find the procedure too barbaric to perform and women can no longer fulfill their termination rights?
I doubt this mass dissent in regards to abortion among doctors is as big as you're making it out to be.

That said, what if we find ourselves in that situation? We can expect a sharp increase in the number of coat hanger and down-the-stairs abortions.

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Post by living_stradivarius » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:45 pm

keaggy220 wrote: You bring up an interesting point... The abortion industry is already challenged to find enough doctors to meet termination demands so what happens if the trend continues and enough doctors find the procedure too barbaric to perform and women can no longer fulfill their termination rights?
There will always be doctors that differ and would offer to do the procedure. Geographic distribution of these doctors and legal constraints are more proximate determinants of future trends in abortion.
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Post by RebLem » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:46 pm

BWV 1080 wrote:But with the growth of prenatal testing and government financed healthcare, it quickly becomes almost a crime against society not to abort any child who is not perfectly normal. Everytime a child with Downs Syndrome is aborted, the state saves millions in future healthcare expenditures. As time progresses and Europe's demographic suicide progresses, the pressures for eugenics and euthanasia will become too great to resist.
I'd be willing to bet that Thomas Quasthoff and most of his fans would disagree.

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Post by keaggy220 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:57 pm

Harvested Sorrow wrote:
keaggy220 wrote:
Ralph wrote:No doctor or nurse has to perform abortions. Their right not to participate in elective abortions is as great as a woman's right to choose the procedure.
You bring up an interesting point... The abortion industry is already challenged to find enough doctors to meet termination demands so what happens if the trend continues and enough doctors find the procedure too barbaric to perform and women can no longer fulfill their termination rights?
I doubt this mass dissent in regards to abortion among doctors is as big as you're making it out to be.

That said, what if we find ourselves in that situation? We can expect a sharp increase in the number of coat hanger and down-the-stairs abortions.
Actually, I didn't write the article so I don't take responsibility for the mass dissent that is cited in the article.

So, if women don't have an option for an abortion because of a lack of doctors to perform them you think there will be a sharp increase in self induced abortion? I'm sure there will be some who decide to do this and that's certainly tragic. Currently there is not a good support system in place for women going through a crisis pregnancy and that's to our shame. We should do everything we can to preserve life.

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Post by Harvested Sorrow » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:53 pm

I do believe so. It's been known to happen in countries where abortion is illegal.

This also occured rather commonly when I was in high school and the girl got an abortion through that route because she was afraid of her extremely religious parents finding out and disowning her or something of that nature, or getting beaten by her father. They were generally terrified of going to an abortion clinic for fear of their parents being notified so they would have a friend roll them down a set of stairs.

To be fair, this sort of thing also occured if the female in question was afraid that her boyfriend would leave if he found out that she was pregnant.

I personally find the last one particularly revolting (on both sides); if the bastard leaves at least the soon-to-be mother will find out who he really is.

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Post by Ralph » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:15 pm

keaggy220 wrote:
Ralph wrote:No doctor or nurse has to perform abortions. Their right not to participate in elective abortions is as great as a woman's right to choose the procedure.
You bring up an interesting point... The abortion industry is already challenged to find enough doctors to meet termination demands so what happens if the trend continues and enough doctors find the procedure too barbaric to perform and women can no longer fulfill their termination rights?
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I certainly hope that never happens. Finding a doctor who performs elective abortions now is difficult enough. But there can be no forcing anyone to perform what he/she views as a morally/ethically repugnant procedure.
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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:30 pm

Isn't it about time someone asked this question: Exactly what is Jeremy Laurence the Health Editor of? I've been following this thread and only with some hesitation now throw in my own original impression, which is that such boutique scruples against performing abortions outside those with strong religious convictions in the first place simply do not ring true, and sound very much like some anti-abortionist's wishful thinking or even outright fabrication.

Risking having your clinic bombed or your personal life invaded by being targeted by a mad fringe as a baby murderer, now there's a reason to hesitate to perform abortions.

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Post by Brendan » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:45 pm

He's Health Editor of The Independent in the UK. Google is a marvel, isn't it?

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:47 pm

Brendan wrote:He's Health Editor of The Independent in the UK. Google is a marvel, isn't it?
Yes, but we're not supposed to have to Google for something like that, are we? Aside from that, Independent, schmindependent. It was a rhetorical question.

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Post by keaggy220 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:37 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
Brendan wrote:He's Health Editor of The Independent in the UK. Google is a marvel, isn't it?
Yes, but we're not supposed to have to Google for something like that, are we? Aside from that, Independent, schmindependent. It was a rhetorical question.
Checking up on my sources John? :lol:

We probably should do more of that around here. :)

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