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About That Federal Prosecutor Caught in the Sex Sting

Post by Barry » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:50 pm

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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:52 pm

Good riddance. Saves everyone a lot of money and renders justice. What's not to like?
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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:09 am

Corlyss_D wrote:Good riddance. Saves everyone a lot of money and renders justice. What's not to like?
Though his crime is beyond inexcusable, there are some things that should never happen. We don't know that he would not have become an important jailhouse lawyer, or something such. Suicide is something the ancient Romans committed sine pecunio. In modern times, short of horrid terminal pain, it should never happen.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:27 am

jbuck919 wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:Good riddance. Saves everyone a lot of money and renders justice. What's not to like?
Though his crime is beyond inexcusable, there are some things that should never happen. We don't know that he would not have become an important jailhouse lawyer, or something such.
BS, John. His usefulness, his worth as a human being, was terminated the moment he had sex with the first child in his sordid past. Better his kind is dead. Let's hope he didn't reproduce.
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Post by Ralph » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:02 am

Yes, he had children. Do you believe his perversion is inheritable? Any evidence for that?

I feel very sorry for his wife and family. Even more than his colleagues they have lived his elaborate life of lies without a clue.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:18 am

Ralph wrote:Yes, he had children. Do you believe his perversion is inheritable? Any evidence for that?
Not inheritable; taught, just as alcoholism and drug addiction are taught by irresponsible parents to their equally irresponsible offspring. Besides, I don't want his genes for making poor choices in the gene pool.
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Post by living_stradivarius » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:27 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Ralph wrote:Yes, he had children. Do you believe his perversion is inheritable? Any evidence for that?
Not inheritable; taught, just as alcoholism and drug addiction are taught by irresponsible parents to their equally irresponsible offspring. Besides, I don't want his genes for making poor choices in the gene pool.
Not sure if a perversion like that can be "taught" either.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:46 am

living_stradivarius wrote:Not sure if a perversion like that can be "taught" either.
Sure it can. All that has to happen is for it to be made to appear "normal."
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Post by Ralph » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:44 pm

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living_stradivarius wrote:Not sure if a perversion like that can be "taught" either.
Sure it can. All that has to happen is for it to be made to appear "normal."
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What nonsense-these people lead double and triple lives. If Corlyss had bothered to read accounts of this man's career, he was highly respected both professionally and as a community leader. While, undoubtedly, pursuing his sordid perversion. It's like someone posting here for years and praising Mozart, Beethoven, Dittersdorf, Mahler...whatever, and then we discover he regularly goes to Elliott Carter concerts.
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Post by living_stradivarius » Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:53 pm

Ralph wrote: What nonsense-these people lead double and triple lives. If Corlyss had bothered to read accounts of this man's career, he was highly respected both professionally and as a community leader. While, undoubtedly, pursuing his sordid perversion. It's like someone posting here for years and praising Mozart, Beethoven, Dittersdorf, Mahler...whatever, and then we discover he regularly goes to Elliott Carter concerts.
Yes, Elliott Carter concerts are especially harmful for 5 yr olds.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:58 am

Ralph wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:
living_stradivarius wrote:Not sure if a perversion like that can be "taught" either.
Sure it can. All that has to happen is for it to be made to appear "normal."
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What nonsense-these people lead double and triple lives.
Right. NAMBLA folks just happen to find each other and like-minded kids, in secret of course.

Both of you need to familiarize yourselves with the reports on the use of children as soldiers in armed conflicts around the world. The Palestinians have been touring conflict areas teaching others how they did it. A component of this is sexual abuse of children to impress upon them their utter powerlessness. When these children grow up, what was done to them, they do to others. It has been normalized. Peter Singer's Children at War would be a good place to start.
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Post by Ralph » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:47 am

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Corlyss_D wrote:
living_stradivarius wrote:Not sure if a perversion like that can be "taught" either.
Sure it can. All that has to happen is for it to be made to appear "normal."
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What nonsense-these people lead double and triple lives.
Right. NAMBLA folks just happen to find each other and like-minded kids, in secret of course.

Both of you need to familiarize yourselves with the reports on the use of children as soldiers in armed conflicts around the world. The Palestinians have been touring conflict areas teaching others how they did it. A component of this is sexual abuse of children to impress upon them their utter powerlessness. When these children grow up, what was done to them, they do to others. It has been normalized. Peter Singer's Children at War would be a good place to start.
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I'm very familiar with the Child Soldier issue about which we held an international conference at my school two years ago (I was not a participant). There is zero relationship between that and the secret lives of individual disturbed sexual perverts.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:32 pm

Ralph wrote:There is zero relationship between that and the secret lives of individual disturbed sexual perverts.
My point is what can be taught to children. I stand by my contention that they will learn anything that's presented as normal despite the degree of depravity.
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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:48 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
Ralph wrote:There is zero relationship between that and the secret lives of individual disturbed sexual perverts.
My point is what can be taught to children. I stand by my contention that they will learn anything that's presented as normal despite the degree of depravity.
Preferential sexuality, however depraved and perverted, is not taught between generations. There is some slight evidence that children who were abused tend to become abusers themselves. That is not "teaching," it is "enablement."

Attraction to very young children is abnormality in the utmost degree. It is a psychiatric disorder and not a matter of transmission to others.

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Post by Brahms » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:14 am

According to the article: "Atchison was charged with three felonies, the most serious of which is crossing state lines with intent to have sex with someone under 12."

That's nearly impossible to prove. Maybe he just wanted to bring her gifts and chat with her?

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:57 pm

Brahms wrote:According to the article: "Atchison was charged with three felonies, the most serious of which is crossing state lines with intent to have sex with someone under 12."

That's nearly impossible to prove. Maybe he just wanted to bring her gifts and chat with her?
Every case like this that I have read about has been successfully prosecuted, which means that the courts have upheld the principle. At the risk of speaking like one of our lawyers, the law is imperfect. It is more important to protect children than to uphold a notion that one has not committed a crime until it has been committed.

I don't know about the continental US, but in DoDDS, all students were required to take training in Internet safety. It was a huge pain in the neck that seemed obvious to the teachers and the poor librarian who bore the main burden, but apparently it is not obvious to all children.

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Post by Ralph » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:01 pm

Brahms wrote:According to the article: "Atchison was charged with three felonies, the most serious of which is crossing state lines with intent to have sex with someone under 12."

That's nearly impossible to prove. Maybe he just wanted to bring her gifts and chat with her?
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It's not that difficult. The evidence includes e-mails from his account and the objects he brought with him. Convictions are often obtained for violation of the statute.

A claim by the defendant that he just wanted to talk to a five-year-old girl he didn't know in a city he had to fly to would be greeted by laughter by a jury.
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Post by Harold Tucker » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:34 pm

Brahms wrote:According to the article: "Atchison was charged with three felonies, the most serious of which is crossing state lines with intent to have sex with someone under 12."

That's nearly impossible to prove. Maybe he just wanted to bring her gifts and chat with her?
If I remember correctly, the deceased had thought he was communicating with the child's mother and was quite specific in arranging a sexual encounter. Also, sexual lubricants are not necessary for mere conversation.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:34 pm

jbuck919 wrote:There is some slight evidence that children who were abused tend to become abusers themselves.


The evidence is not slight; it's quite substantial. It isn't predictive, that's all. There's still room for individual differences.
That is not "teaching," it is "enablement."
I don't care what you call it.
Attraction to very young children is abnormality in the utmost degree. It is a psychiatric disorder and not a matter of transmission to others.


You are basing your assumption on a practice that to say the least is underreported today and was not reported at all before the 1970s. Of course, if you have any articles or research to back up your statement, I'd be happy to read it. Otherwise I think this is just you pretending to be an authority on another subject you know nothing about.
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