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Men more evolved.

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A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Barry » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:26 pm

How many millions of years until women become house pets for men?

:::ducking, and hoping the ladies here will take that in the spirit in which it was intended :wink: :::

Men more evolved? Y chromosome study stirs debate
Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer

WASHINGTON – Women may think of men as primitive, but new research indicates that the Y chromosome — the thing that makes a man male — is evolving far faster than the rest of the human genetic code.

A new study comparing the Y chromosomes from humans and chimpanzees, our nearest living relatives, show that they are about 30 percent different. That is far greater than the 2 percent difference between the rest of the human genetic code and that of the chimp's, according to a study appearing online Wednesday in the journal Nature.

These changes occurred in the last 6 million years or so, relatively recently when it comes to evolution.

"The Y chromosome appears to be the most rapidly evolving of the human chromosomes," said study co-author Dr. David Page, director of the prestigious Whitehead Institute in Cambridge and a professor of biology at MIT. "It's an almost ongoing churning of gene reconstruction. It's like a house that's constantly being rebuilt."

Before men get too impressed with themselves, lead author Jennifer Hughes offers some words of caution: Just because the Y chromosome, which determines gender, is evolving at a speedy rate it doesn't necessarily mean men themselves are more evolved.

Researchers took the most detailed examination of the Y chromosome, which females do not have, of both humans and chimps and found entire sections dramatically different. There were even entire genes on the human Y chromosome that weren't on the chimp, said Hughes, also of the Whitehead Institute.

The two-year research took twice as long as expected because of the evolutionary changes found, Hughes said.

There is a bit of a proviso to the comparison to other chromosomes. While all human and chimp chromosomes have been mapped, only two chimp chromosomes have been examined in great detail: Y and chromosome 21. Yet, there's still enough known to make the claim that the Y is the speediest evolver, Hughes and Page said.

Until recently the Y chromosome was considered the Rodney Dangerfield of genetics, especially because it had fewer genes than other chromosomes. A few years ago some researchers even suggested that the Y chromosome was shrinking so that in 50,000 years it would just disappear — and so would men.

"The story is not as cut and dried as many would have liked to predict," Hughes said. "It's kind of fun to say that men are going to die out, but the science is proving — now that we've got data — that that's not true at all."

Page agreed. "The Y chromosome has many more tricks up its sleeve than it was given credit for," he said.

There are a couple of reasons Page and Hughes cite for Y being such an evolutionary powerhouse. One is that it stands alone and isn't part of a pair like 44 other chromosomes. So when there are mutations there's no matching chromosome to recombine and essentially cover up the change, Hughes said. Because women have two X chromosomes, the X chromosome doesn't have this situation.

Another reason has to do with the nature of mating. When female chimps are in heat, they mate frequently and with many partners, so there is an evolutionary pressure on the male to produce the most and best sperm to propagate his genes, Page said.

To test this out, Hughes said she hopes to soon examine the Y chromosomes of a rhesus macaque, which is fairly promiscuous, and the marmoset, which is more monogamous than early humans probably were.

Outside scientists praised the study.

"Wow," said R. Scott Hawley, a genetics researcher at the Stowers Institute in Kansas City. "That result is astounding."

"The Y chromosome clearly has the strength and tenacity to fight back," said Hawley, who wasn't part of the research. "I certainly think the Y chromosome has taken a bad rap for a long time with people doing maps showing areas for channel surfing."

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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Brendan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:30 pm

See also the Men More Evolved thread/link.

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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Barry » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:31 pm

Brendan wrote:See also the Men More Evolved thread/link.
Oops. Missed that. I guess it's too late to cancel this thread now. Corlyss is welcome to move my post to the other one.
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by D » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:08 pm

I think this is the same thread. Someone saw fit to change the title I came up with. Hm...

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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Teresa B » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:35 pm

Before men get too impressed with themselves, lead author Jennifer Hughes offers some words of caution: Just because the Y chromosome, which determines gender, is evolving at a speedy rate it doesn't necessarily mean men themselves are more evolved.
Couldn'ta said it better. :mrgreen:

(Ahem) Now that that's cleared up...Just as an aside, the term "more evolved" really has no meaning in the sense of being a more advanced life form (Vulcans notwithstanding) anyway.

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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Corlyss_D » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:03 pm

^^^

I was hoping you would make precisely that comment, Teresa! It sounds so much better coming from a doctor.
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Agnes Selby » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:06 pm

Teresa B wrote:Before men get too impressed with themselves, lead author Jennifer Hughes offers some words of caution: Just because the Y chromosome, which determines gender, is evolving at a speedy rate it doesn't necessarily mean men themselves are more evolved.
Couldn'ta said it better. :mrgreen:

(Ahem) Now that that's cleared up...Just as an aside, the term "more evolved" really has no meaning in the sense of being a more advanced life form (Vulcans notwithstanding) anyway.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: More "evolved" does not always mean bigger and better.
Just remember, the poor old dinosaur evolved into a bird!

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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:37 am

Being more "evolved" in this context simply means undergoing more mutations and in doing so taking greater risks. But even seemingly successful mutations are fruitless without some form of reproduction with a female ;)
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Agnes Selby » Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:55 am

living_stradivarius wrote:Being more "evolved" in this context simply means undergoing more mutations and in doing so taking greater risks. But even seemingly successful mutations are fruitless without some form of reproduction with a female ;)
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Jean » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:37 am

Ofcourse the poor Y chromosome is evolving faster.....it's still trying to catch up. :wink:
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:53 am

I wonder if the fast evolution is what accounts for so many SNAGs (Sensitive New Age Guys) and male pattern baldness.
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by living_stradivarius » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:02 am

Corlyss_D wrote:I wonder if the fast evolution is what accounts for so many SNAGs (Sensitive New Age Guys) and male pattern baldness.
No no, that only happens when a couple of extra X chromosomes get involved.
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by HoustonDavid » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:03 pm

It might also have something to do with the lawsuit over Proposition 8 in California. :mrgreen:
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Re: A More Advanced Stage of Evolution

Post by absinthe » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:37 pm

barry wrote:Researchers took the most detailed examination of the Y chromosome, which females do not have, of both humans and chimps and found entire sections dramatically different. There were even entire genes on the human Y chromosome that weren't on the chimp, said Hughes, also of the Whitehead Institute.
Surprising indeed. Many of the blokes I meet in the course of my work don't distinguish themselves from chimps a great deal.... perhaps a little less intelligent but otherwise....(shrug)...

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