Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

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Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by keaggy220 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:45 am

My state means to fight!

This from the U.S. Constitution:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

With this antiquated and totally unenlightened language behind them, Virginia has passed the Health Care and Freedom Bill. Here's some of the language:

Provides that a resident of the Commonwealth shall not be required to obtain or maintain a policy of individual insurance coverage. This applies regardless of whether the person has or is eligible for health insurance coverage under any policy or program provided by or through his employer or a plan sponsored by the Commonwealth or the federal government. The measure also states that no provision of Title 38.2 renders a resident liable for any penalty, assessment, fee, or fine as a result his failure to procure or obtain health insurance coverage.
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:09 am

Great idea! Jettisoning Virginia from Medicare/Medicaid will reduce costs to the rest of the country.

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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by keaggy220 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:31 am

jbuck919 wrote:Great idea! Jettisoning Virginia from Medicare/Medicaid will reduce costs to the rest of the country.
Shall not be required.

In other words liberty is given priority over efficiency.
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent


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And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by DavidRoss » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:35 am

Oh, come now, Keaggy! If the 10th Amendment were treated as if it were law and not just a joke for Congress to thumb its collective noses at, then 9/10 of the federal government would be out of business!
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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:51 am

keaggy220 wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:Great idea! Jettisoning Virginia from Medicare/Medicaid will reduce costs to the rest of the country.
Shall not be required.

In other words liberty is given priority over efficiency.
Uh-huh, and you think Virginia is going to be allowed to keep those programs on a voluntary basis when it's mandatory for everybody else. Right.

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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:54 am

DavidRoss wrote:Oh, come now, Keaggy! If the 10th Amendment were treated as if it were law and not just a joke for Congress to thumb its collective noses at, then 9/10 of the federal government would be out of business!
Which is precisely the reason that even a conservative Supreme Court is likely to find one more obscure reason for declaring the law unconstitutional. David (asking seriously), do you remember the last time a state won a significant states' rights case? I don't. And even if Virginia did, all the federal government has to do is threaten to move out of Arlington or some such thing, by analogy with the case where states can mandate their own drinking ages but lose federal funding if they make it lower than 21.

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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by keaggy220 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:53 am

jbuck919 wrote:
keaggy220 wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:Great idea! Jettisoning Virginia from Medicare/Medicaid will reduce costs to the rest of the country.
Shall not be required.

In other words liberty is given priority over efficiency.
Uh-huh, and you think Virginia is going to be allowed to keep those programs on a voluntary basis when it's mandatory for everybody else. Right.
It will be interesting since many states have already passed similar laws recently and, from what I've heard, nearly 2/3 states have similar bills drafted.
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent


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And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8

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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by Ralph » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:37 pm

I realize I am the only Constitutional lawyer/professor on CMG but no one else noticed that Keaggy's "quote" isn't from the Constitution?????????

The Tenth Amendment reads simply that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Can't believe Keaggy is tryng to use the Articles of Confederation. :) :)
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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by keaggy220 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:45 pm

Ralph wrote:I realize I am the only Constitutional lawyer/professor on CMG but no one else noticed that Keaggy's "quote" isn't from the Constitution?????????

The Tenth Amendment reads simply that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Can't believe Keaggy is tryng to use the Articles of Confederation. :) :)
:lol:
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent


"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8

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Re: Virginia pulls out the 10th amendment stick & ready to fight

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:10 pm

Ralph wrote:I realize I am the only Constitutional lawyer/professor on CMG but no one else noticed that Keaggy's "quote" isn't from the Constitution?????????

The Tenth Amendment reads simply that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Can't believe Keaggy is tryng to use the Articles of Confederation. :) :)
After so many corrections from you (always polite and indirect, mind you), I always assume that when someone else quotes the Constitution I am the one who had it wrong. :)

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