USA's New Neighbor to the South: NARCOTRAFFICSTAN

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USA's New Neighbor to the South: NARCOTRAFFICSTAN

Post by dulcinea » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:10 pm

Fox News reported on 20 Sept that EL DIARIO, the main newspaper of Ciudad Jua'rez, has surrendered to the narcoterrorists. Acknowledging that the narcotraffickers are the REAL AUTHORITY in Jua'rez--having effectively overthrown the government of Me'xico--, EL DIARIO will no longer report on the traffickers' activities in order to spare the lives of its journalists, which kept getting abducted and killed without the ,,authorities'' being able to prevent it.
I don't think this is the kind of country Father Hidalgo had in mind when he started the Mexican War of Independence 2 centuries ago. :( :( :(
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Re: USA's New Neighbor to the South: NARCOTRAFFICSTAN

Post by Cosima___J » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:42 pm

Thanks Dulcinea for bringing up this topic. I've heard some people argue that the U.S. is the main cause of the horrible narco situation in Mexico. The problem wouldn't exist if it weren't for the fact that so many Americans have a drug habit.

Every time I read about a Mexican judge or policeman being murdered by the drug cartels, it makes me sad/ashamed to realize that we here in the U.S. are at least partially responsible for it.

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Post by Barry » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:45 pm

dulcinea wrote:Fox News reported on 20 Sept that EL DIARIO, the main newspaper of Ciudad Jua'rez, has surrendered to the narcoterrorists. Acknowledging that the narcotraffickers are the REAL AUTHORITY in Jua'rez--having effectively overthrown the government of Me'xico--, EL DIARIO will no longer report on the traffickers activities in order to spare the lives of its journalists, which kept getting abducted and killed without the ,,authorities'' being able to prevent it.
I don't think this is the kind of country Father Hidalgo had in mind when he started the Mexican War of Independence 2 centuries ago. :( :( :(
Not only did El Diario indicate they'll stop scrutinizing drug gangs in their coverage; they actually put a note on their front page in which they asked the drug cartels to let them know what it is they want the paper to do in order to avoid further violence against their employees.

Scary stuff. The government has clearly lost control of law and order to the bad guys in some parts of Mexico.
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Re: USA's New Neighbor to the South: NARCOTRAFFICSTAN

Post by jack stowaway » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:55 pm

I visited Ciudad Jua'rez three years ago, crossing the border from El Paso. Juarez is also where over 300 women have been 'disappeared' without trace.

From Wikepedia...
The phenomenon of the female homicides in Ciudad Juárez, called in Spanish the feminicidios ("femicides") and las muertas de Juárez ("The dead women of Juárez"), involves the violent deaths of hundreds of women since 1993 in the northern Mexican city of Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, a border city across the Rio Grande from the U.S. city of El Paso, Texas. The estimated homicide toll is speculated by authorities to be about 400; but many local residents believe that the true count of los feminicidios stands at an estimated 5,000 victims. Most of the cases remained unsolved as of 2003, and are still unsolved today
My visit was brief as I found the town entirely sinister (because of my research on the drug cartels and 'femicides'). On trying to re-enter the US, however, I was told to 'go to the back of the line' (about one mile long) in spite of being part of an escorted tour group which had disensation from border controls. The customs officer who demanded I 'go back' was new and unaware of the arrangement.

Until the situation was resolved (by a senior customs agent) it was scary. I thought I would have to stand in the boiling hot sun all day (and probably the night, also, such was the length of the queue). As a very noticeable gringo I didn't much fancy the prospect of sunburn, dehydration, or encountering the gangs that were rumoured to nightly prey on those waiting to cross.

In 'Heart of Darkness' Marlow speaks of certain 'dark places of the earth.' Juarez is surely one of them.

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Post by josé echenique » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:45 am

Cosima___J wrote:Thanks Dulcinea for bringing up this topic. I've heard some people argue that the U.S. is the main cause of the horrible narco situation in Mexico. The problem wouldn't exist if it weren't for the fact that so many Americans have a drug habit.

Every time I read about a Mexican judge or policeman being murdered by the drug cartels, it makes me sad/ashamed to realize that we here in the U.S. are at least partially responsible for it.
Just today Paris Hilton appeared before a judge for cocaine possession. Let´s admit that drug use in the USA is still well accepted, the judge put la Hilton on probation only, and add to her name Lindsay Lohan, Michael Douglas´s son, etc, well to do, all-American kids.
In Mexico several groups are putting more pressure on the government to legalize drugs, maybe it´s a fact that the Mexican government will never have the money or the resources to combat drug traffickers effectively, and the USA is not helping as it should, considering that the money and the guns that finance this war are coming from beautiful Paris Hilton´s purse and nose. The blood costs of the trade are mounting.

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Post by Philoctetes » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:20 pm

dulcinea wrote:Fox News reported on 20 Sept that EL DIARIO, the main newspaper of Ciudad Jua'rez, has surrendered to the narcoterrorists. Acknowledging that the narcotraffickers are the REAL AUTHORITY in Jua'rez--having effectively overthrown the government of Me'xico--, EL DIARIO will no longer report on the traffickers' activities in order to spare the lives of its journalists, which kept getting abducted and killed without the ,,authorities'' being able to prevent it.
I don't think this is the kind of country Father Hidalgo had in mind when he started the Mexican War of Independence 2 centuries ago. :( :( :(
Thankfully things are no so cut and dry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11384319

http://www.diario.com.mx/notas.php?f=20 ... d117a76cb5

I take their action as more of a political move, and I don't believe they will actually stop publishing about the drug lords and what not. I think their editorial action was aimed more at the ineffectiveness of their government then to any actual threat to their reporters.
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Re: USA's New Neighbor to the South: NARCOTRAFFICSTAN

Post by piston » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:54 pm

A big part of the problem has been the corruption of key elements in the police force, particularly police chiefs who order their men to stay home when the drug cartel that pays them off are particularly busy. A couple of weeks ago one of those chiefs was attacked by federal police men who waged a public strike against that very corruption and how it threatened their lives.
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In other words, the drug war now involves "clean" cops versus "dirty" cops:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =129776061
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Post by Philoctetes » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:53 am

piston wrote:A big part of the problem has been the corruption of key elements in the police force, particularly police chiefs who order their men to stay home when the drug cartel that pays them off are particularly busy. A couple of weeks ago one of those chiefs was attacked by federal police men who waged a public strike against that very corruption and how it threatened their lives.

In other words, the drug war now involves "clean" cops versus "dirty" cops:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =129776061
I mean I think the United States will have to intervene at some point. I don't see a way that this won't esculate into an all out war, and even though I'm sure the Mexican military can handle their own. It is always nice to have a friend with a big ass stick. I mean the cartel are already using more advanced tactics, becoming more competent in their ability to wage indiscrimiate warfare. I mean it's really inevitable.
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