A Sad/Nutty PC Firing
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Washington Post poll:
Was NPR right to fire Juan Williams?
NPR commentator Juan Williams was fired by the media organization late Wednesday after he said on Fox News's "O'Reilly Factor" that he gets nervous when he sees people in Muslim dress on planes. Was NPR right to fire Williams?
Was NPR right to fire Juan Williams after his remarks on Muslims and terrorism?
Yes
26%
No
73%
Total Votes: 17,090
http://views.washingtonpost.com/post-us ... id=topnews
Was NPR right to fire Juan Williams?
NPR commentator Juan Williams was fired by the media organization late Wednesday after he said on Fox News's "O'Reilly Factor" that he gets nervous when he sees people in Muslim dress on planes. Was NPR right to fire Williams?
Was NPR right to fire Juan Williams after his remarks on Muslims and terrorism?
Yes
26%
No
73%
Total Votes: 17,090
http://views.washingtonpost.com/post-us ... id=topnews
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
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And what does the LORD require of you?
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"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
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>Right. I said in many large metro areas.<
Yes you did--okay so on planes what are the statistics for trouble from muslims in muslim garb? How many muslims in muslim garbs have committed terrorism on planes? I am sadly aware that many blacks in Metro areas have committed crimes--the stats, the actual numbers--that I don't know--but let's talk about williams and his fear of muslims in muslim garb. Regards, Len
Yes you did--okay so on planes what are the statistics for trouble from muslims in muslim garb? How many muslims in muslim garbs have committed terrorism on planes? I am sadly aware that many blacks in Metro areas have committed crimes--the stats, the actual numbers--that I don't know--but let's talk about williams and his fear of muslims in muslim garb. Regards, Len
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There goes the entire NPR news staff - dismissed according to your standard - and they're not analysts!lennygoran wrote:>So, in your opinion, expressing your opinion on an opinion show is a cause for dismissal. <
Well if a newsman displays bias on the public airwaves I think as I already indicated at least a reprimand or possibly dismissal might be warranted. Regards, Len
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8
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>There goes the entire NPR news staff - dismissed according to your standard - and they're not analysts!<
Hey, let the chips fall where they may--but please do keep Mystery from PBS--I really do like Poirot , Inspector Lewis and Miss Marple! Regards, Len
Hey, let the chips fall where they may--but please do keep Mystery from PBS--I really do like Poirot , Inspector Lewis and Miss Marple! Regards, Len
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He just expressed what he felt and what most people feel consideringlennygoran wrote:>Williams was an "analyst of news" and not a newsman or
reporter. There is a distinction.<
Yes, I can see that-- so what's his analysis of what he described--should airlines stop permitting muslims in religious garb on planes--should he stop being so fearful and biased--what actually is his point and does he have any solutions to offer--or was he just spouting off? What of value was gained from what he said? Regards, Len
the times we live in. You need not agree with him and you have the right
to disagree just as much as Williams is free to express his opinions. Its a free country.
Or so they say!
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I wonder when the next NPR pledge drive is scheduled? Will listeners punish NPR by not pledging this time around?
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>You need not agree with him and you have the right
to disagree just as much as Williams is free to express his opinions.<
That's true but if your employer feels you have spoken inappropriately and in a biased manner then he may decide to part company with you--did I read NPR had warned Williams about this kind of stuff before. Now please tell me what redeeming value his comments had? As an aside I really would like to know his view on the mosque! Regards, Len
to disagree just as much as Williams is free to express his opinions.<
That's true but if your employer feels you have spoken inappropriately and in a biased manner then he may decide to part company with you--did I read NPR had warned Williams about this kind of stuff before. Now please tell me what redeeming value his comments had? As an aside I really would like to know his view on the mosque! Regards, Len
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Let's not forget they've got Mrs. Kroc's money.Cosima___J wrote:I wonder when the next NPR pledge drive is scheduled? Will listeners punish NPR by not pledging this time around?
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"No worries" as we say in Australia. Mr. Soros has already remedied that,Cosima___J wrote:I wonder when the next NPR pledge drive is scheduled? Will listeners punish NPR by not pledging this time around?
and more will surely come their way as long as they behave and stay
in the "Far Left Lane".
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jbuck919 wrote:Let's not forget they've got Mrs. Kroc's money.Cosima___J wrote:I wonder when the next NPR pledge drive is scheduled? Will listeners punish NPR by not pledging this time around?
Soros sent a $1.8 million bounty to NPR the very day Williams head was handed to him. NPR is his puppet. This bit of news didn't make big headlines in the U.S. (hmmm... wonder why?), but here's the take from Canadians:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/28970
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8
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Well; I think I said that we know most Muslims aren't terrorists, but again, without having the statistics to back it up, it seems like most hijacking cases over the years have involved Muslim terrorists. I believe there was a rash of them during the 70s; then of course there was 9/11 and also the failed plot to hijack planes leaving Britain. That's not just the case with the 9/11 attacks, but historically, there have been other cases of Muslims hijacking planes. I think there was a rash of them during the 70s. And here is a list of hijackings from the past few decades: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1578183.stmlennygoran wrote:>Right. I said in many large metro areas.<
Yes you did--okay so on planes what are the statistics for trouble from muslims in muslim garb? How many muslims in muslim garbs have committed terrorism on planes? I am sadly aware that many blacks in Metro areas have committed crimes--the stats, the actual numbers--that I don't know--but let's talk about williams and his fear of muslims in muslim garb. Regards, Len
Of course, there have been so few people who have hijacked planes, that even if the vast majority of them have been Muslims, it's highly unlikely that any Muslim we see at an airport is there to hijack a plane. But because crashing and being hijacked are about the only two things that people fear when they fly, and the rare hijackings that do occur are generally carried out by Muslims, it's natural to give a thought to the subject of hijacking when seeing a Muslim who is getting on the same flight as you. But that thought should then result in the realization that the odds of this person being a hijacker are beyond remote.
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>But that thought should then result in the realization that the odds of this person being a hijacker are beyond remote.<
Yes, that's how I feel too--thanks for that list. And one thing the list doesn't seem to do is say how many of these terrorist attacks were from Muslims in Muslim garb.
I think one problem is how Williams stated his thoughts:
"“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot,” Williams said on the "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday. “But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”
To me there's just something disrespectful about how he put it. Regards, Len
Yes, that's how I feel too--thanks for that list. And one thing the list doesn't seem to do is say how many of these terrorist attacks were from Muslims in Muslim garb.
I think one problem is how Williams stated his thoughts:
"“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot,” Williams said on the "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday. “But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”
To me there's just something disrespectful about how he put it. Regards, Len
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Hmm do any Muslims work for NPR? If not, the CEO should get sacked.
They should confront the issue instead of silencing it. It'd be naive to think Williams was just one of a few Americans who thought that way.
Being on the O'Reilly factor would have been a better reason to fire him, but I digress.
They should confront the issue instead of silencing it. It'd be naive to think Williams was just one of a few Americans who thought that way.
Being on the O'Reilly factor would have been a better reason to fire him, but I digress.
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I'm so old fashioned - I always think you should hire the best person for the job. If that's a room full of Muslims - who cares...? If it means a room full of atheists - who cares?living_stradivarius wrote:Hmm do any Muslims work for NPR? If not, the CEO should get sacked.
"I guess we're all, or most of us, the wards of the nineteenth-century sciences which denied existence of anything it could not reason or explain. The things we couldn't explain went right on but not with our blessing... So many old and lovely things are stored in the world's attic, because we don't want them around us and we don't dare throw them out."
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
- Micah 6:8
— John Steinbeck, The Winter of Our Discontent
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Apparently NPR doesn't operate by that standard.keaggy220 wrote:I'm so old fashioned - I always think you should hire the best person for the job. If that's a room full of Muslims - who cares...? If it means a room full of atheists - who cares?living_stradivarius wrote:Hmm do any Muslims work for NPR? If not, the CEO should get sacked.
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