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FUMAR ES UN PLACER SENSUAL

Post by dulcinea » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:56 am

In a very amusing speech by Bette Davis in DARK VICTORY her character, Judith Traherne, praises cigarettes and says that one of her great life joys is smoking cigarettes.
Obvious logical question: when did the medical profession start to realise that tobacco is a danger to a person's health?
SMOKING IS A SENSUAL PLEASURE=a line from a very famous Latin American song.
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Post by John F » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:52 am

I started seeing stories about that in the early '60s, I think it was. Wikipedia says the health warning was first put on cigarette packs in 1966.
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Post by diegobueno » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:58 am

When I was a young kid it worried me that there were two big, big decisions I would have to make when I grew up: what brand of beer to drink and what brand of cigarette to smoke. It was clearly a very important part of being an adult, since the TV ads were constantly impressing it upon viewers to consume their product and no other. Why, one might even come to blows and receive a black eye from someone who thought you should be smoking something other than Tarryton.

Nevertheless, I never really liked it when my parents filled the dining room with smoke after dinner, and when the surgeon general's report came out saying that smoking caused cancer (in my memory it was 1964) I immediately decided that I would not smoke. I have never smoked a (tobacco) cigarette in my life, and the other kind I gave up when I left college.
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Post by diegobueno » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:03 am

This song dates from 1947:

Now I'm a fellow with a heart of gold
And the ways of a gentleman I've been told
Kind-of-a-guy that wouldn't even harm a flea
But if me and a certain character met
The guy that invented that cigarette
I'd murder that son-of-a gun in the first degree
It ain't cuz I don't smoke 'em myself
and i don't reckon that it'll hinder your health
I smoked 'em all my life and I ain't dead yet
But nicotine slaves are all the same
at a pettin' party or a poker game
Everything gotta stop while they have a cigarette

CHORUS

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff until you smoke yourself to death.
Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hate to make him wait,
But you just gotta have another cigarette.
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Post by John F » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:35 am

Yeah, I remember the Phil Harris recording. And longer ago than that, Mark Twain said his doctor told him if he gave up smoking (and drinking and swearing) he'd live ten years longer. But without those goodies the ten years wouldn't be worth living.

My parents' second-hand smoke made my brother and me sick when riding in the car with them, and when I stole one of their fags to try it for myself, it was even worse. So I never started smoking, and I've never missed it.
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Post by HoustonDavid » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:23 pm

John, did the Army ever feed you C-Rations? Back in 1959-63, these standard field
ration boxes contained a full 20-pack of cigarettes (various unfiltered brands). We thought
the tobacco companies exceedingly generous, never realizing they wanted to addict a few
more new customers.

Smoking was - as Mark (diegobueno) alluded to - a socially "sophisticated" thing to do in
those years, and a majority of my friends certainly did so. We could buy a carton at the PX
for $2.00, and I usually bought two. I was hooked for another 30 years, finally throwing
them away about 15 years ago.

Late in my working life, when nobody wanted an over-the-hill writer on their payroll, I
managed convenience stores for Diamond Shamrock. The tobacco companies had large sway
over how we displayed and distributed their products: money talks!! For a short time, they
actually put cartons out in the store, for the "convenience" of their customers. Of course, a
surprising number of those cartons never made it to the cash register. Management finally
figured out that they'd likely been out there for the convenience of teenagers, too young to
buy them legally and finally put them back behind the counter.

It was relatively easy to steal them and run, which the teenagers (and others) did, of course.
To the tobacco companies, they were new addicts who would soon be old enough to purchase
them legally, so it was long term money in their pockets. It is hard to characterize these kinds
of "marketing" ploys as anything but pure evil. Smoking is one of the greatest killers of all time,
probably exceeding many of the other great historic killers of humankind.
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Post by John F » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:10 pm

Nope, never opened a C ration. I heard that some mess hall meals used C rations (the meat items anyway) to keep the unit's stock from getting too old, but once I was through basic and advanced training, I avoided the mess hall as much as possible except for breakfast. What happened to the C ration cigarettes I don't know but it's not hard to guess.
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Post by HoustonDavid » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:49 pm

I had no sense we were getting aging C-rations in the mess hall. When we were out in
the field doing training or combat exercises, we were issued a brown cardboard box of
rations for meals we were missing at the chow hall. We had tins of jellied fuel for heating,
if it was convenient, and some of the tinned food was actually pretty good.

Each tin contained something resembling an ordinary meal, like beef stew or ham-and-lima
beans. There was also some tinned fruit, crackers and a generic chocolate bar that we
considered a real treat. I can't imagine opening the thousands of small aging tins necessary
to make a mess hall meal of C-ration stew. When I drew mess duty in boot camp, we opened
tins but they were very large, similar to what you find at a warehouse store.

Surprisingly, I don't remember the cigarettes being particularly dry and stale. They came
in a variety of name brands and we would trade around until we got the brand of personal
choice. Many of us preferred king size brands because we could smoke them down to the
nubbin to top off our nicotine craving before the drill sergeant put out the smoking lamp.

Cigarettes - and the nicotine they contain - have often been described as being soothing for
the nerves and/or stimulating for the weary. Needless to say, those conditions describe
military personnel at various times during their routinely stressful days and nights (and many
other people in stressful jobs for that matter). They certainly had that effect on me over the
years in various stressful military and professional capacities. I guess they were good for
something while they were doing their best to kill me - the cigarettes that is.
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Post by John F » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:57 pm

That may just have been scuttlebutt, about using up old C rations in mess hall meals. I only pulled KP a few times at Fort Dix and maybe Fort Monmouth (I'm not sure of that) before being assigned to Korea, where local nationals were paid next to nothing by our standards, but decent money by theirs, to peel potatoes etc. By the time I left Korea, I had too much rank for KP. So it's all hearsay.

Don't know how edifying others find it when we drift into war stories, but I enjoy it. :)
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Post by HoustonDavid » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:29 am

I did my best to split the topic between war stories and cigarettes, since I was the one
who tied them together, mostly to point out the obvious - the evil of big tobacco companies.
It's too bad, John, that there are so few of us here at CMG who have war stories to tell, at
least the kind that bring back good memories.
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Post by lennygoran » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:08 am

(C-rations in the mess hall.)

Had c rations when out in the field but never in the mess hall-when you're hungry you eat what is given to you! Thank goodness I never smoked! Len

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Post by lennygoran » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:12 am

( I only pulled KP a few times)

I dreaded kp-especially pots and pans-I swear some of those pots were actually bigger than me! And that darn grease pit! Len

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Post by keaggy220 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:08 am

I was in involved in an accident as a very young child (maybe 4 years old) and had to go to the emergency room. This would've been the early 70's - and I still remember the smoke being so thick in the waiting room that I was miserable.
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Post by Wallingford » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:20 pm

I remember, at age 11, a commercial they ran on Saturday mornings that was just plain devastaing.

It was shot in the most effective cinema-verite style, showing a small boy alone in a bathroom and initiating himself to the mysteries of smoking. He blew a dab of smoke, gave one cough, then three coughs, soon mushrooming into the most unbearable barrage of hack coughs that made the pain all too evident.

It certainly kept me off the stuff, and certainly achieved same with other kids out there.
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Never mattered we were always ok
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Post by jbuck919 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:47 pm

Wallingford wrote:I remember, at age 11, a commercial they ran on Saturday mornings that was just plain devastaing.

It was shot in the most effective cinema-verite style, showing a small boy alone in a bathroom and initiating himself to the mysteries of smoking. He blew a dab of smoke, gave one cough, then three coughs, soon mushrooming into the most unbearable barrage of hack coughs that made the pain all too evident.

It certainly kept me off the stuff, and certainly achieved same with other kids out there.
"Remember your first cigarette? Do you think your body was trying to tell you something?" Of course now it would be considered child abuse to use a young boy for such a demonstration, whether he was faking or not.

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Post by HoustonDavid » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:18 am

I think everyone who ever smoked remembers coughing over their first cigarette, but
obviously most didn't learn anything. I can remember quitting a few times before it
finally stuck, and every time I went back, my body had the same reaction - that first
inhaled puff sent a very noticeable shock through my body; I coughed, my heart rate
elevated, my skin became clammy, I even shuddered, and I'm sure my blood pressure
must have elevated.

I remember realizing that, without a doubt, all those things were going on every in my
body every time I smoked a cigarette, they just weren't as noticeable after the first few
puffs, and I soon forgot them altogether until the next time I quit and started up again.
Fortunately, I finally quit for good and haven't missed them for one second since. That
was about 15 years ago, so long I can't remember exactly when.
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Post by dulcinea » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:30 am

I tried cigarettes back in the late 70s, and I found no pleasure in them; instead of the famous nicotine high, I got such a bad taste in my mouth that I had to gargle several times to get rid of that mud-like flavor.
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Post by diegobueno » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:05 am

I've heard it said that women have a harder time quitting smoking than men, perhaps because women are more likely to view it as a "sensual pleasure". Men tend to be indifferent to sensual pleasures -- except for one*.

Whether the previous sentences are true or not, it could explain the difference in my parents' experiences with quitting. In 1966 my parents moved from Detroit to Melbourne, Florida. My father declared that when we crossed the border into Florida he would never touch another cigarette. He made good on that promise, too. As a New England Protestant, he might have found the whole concept of sensual pleasure to be foreign. He never talked much about his inner life, so as far as I could tell, once he quit, he never looked back. My mother, on the other hand, continued to smoke for over a year after the move to Florida. I remember we'd be in our new air-conditioned car and she'd light up and I'd think "oh jeez, Mom, please crack the window open and blow that damn smoke outside" though I was too good a boy to say so. Finally she got severe bronchitis, compounded by a severe allergic reaction to the penicillin they gave her. She was having so much trouble breathing that she decided smoking would not be a good idea, and that she should take this opportunity to quit. And so she did. She had these dreams, though, in which she was puffing on a cigarette, just drawing it in and savoring it and then blowing it out and watching the smoke billowing into the air, and it was oh so wonderful and pleasurable and she was so much enjoying it, and then she'd wake up and really have to work at convincing herself that she should not go out and get cigarettes.


(* Here at CMG, of course, we all partake of the sensual pleasure of music as well)
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Post by John F » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:33 am

I certainly see a lot more women, young women, smoking than older women or men. Why, I couldn't say.
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Post by jbuck919 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:30 pm

John F wrote:I certainly see a lot more women, young women, smoking than older women or men. Why, I couldn't say.
I suspect that women's somewhat differential affinity for smoking is related to their known physiological brain differences from men. Nicotine addiction is a function of receptors in the brain. I think I can state that suspicion, based on the enduring and successful reality that women are not the same as men, without insisting on it and without fear of being fairly accused of being sexist.

However, I have noticed other things about street smokers that probably do not bear closer examination, for instance that they are disproportionately left-handed and blond. Don't ask me how that makes sense except in some context of fixated association.

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