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My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by dulcinea » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:10 pm

the humour of those who have no sense of humour.
What's yours?
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by Chalkperson » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:50 pm

The basic and essential language of British people... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by jbuck919 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:15 pm

Chalkperson wrote:The basic and essential language of British people... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I've been trying to think of examples from Shakespeare (who did use puns, which have been described as the lowest form of humor).

In the meantime, there's this famous one from the Bible anyway: "Surely you are the voice of the people, and when you die, wisdom will die with you." (Job 12:2)

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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by keaggy220 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:40 pm

"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit."

~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by Chalkperson » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:28 pm

keaggy220 wrote:"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit."

~ Oscar Wilde
There is no proof that Oscar Wilde actually said that... :wink:

In Britain the phrase has a second line...

"but, the highest form of intelligence"
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by jack stowaway » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:55 am

Scarcasm is the 'wit' of those without humour.

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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by THEHORN » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:12 am

Puns are the lowest form of humor, unless you think of them you make them up yourself !

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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by dulcinea » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:30 am

THEHORN wrote:Puns are the lowest form of humor, unless you think of them you make them up yourself !
Making a pun requires real mental effort.
Sarcasm is nothing but saying an unremarkable and meaningless remark in a snotty and pretentious manner.
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by Mark Harwood » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:07 pm

Chalkperson wrote:The basic and essential language of British people... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Hilarious.
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by barney » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:07 am

There is a difference between irony and sarcasm which the English claim the Americans don't get. I can't speak to that, but several Americans definitely did get it. Eg Mark Twain on Cecil Rhodes: I sincerely admire him, and when his time comes Iwill buy a piece of the rope as a keepsake.
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by John F » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:30 am

barney wrote:There is a difference between irony and sarcasm which the English claim the Americans don't get.
Irony in words or situations occurs when the real meaning is not what it seems on the surface. Irony is sometimes sarcastic; sarcasm is often ironic. If the Brits claim otherwise, they're wrong. The difference is that sarcasm is usually cutting or bitter, irony not necessarily so. Twain's remark on Cecil Rhodes is sarcastic irony, or ironic sarcasm. The part that's ironic is the claim to admire Rhodes; the reference to hanging makes it sarcastic.
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by Proton » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:44 pm

jack stowaway wrote:Scarcasm is the 'wit' of those without humour.
And here all along I thought that scarcasm was the result of incompetent surgery.


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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by lennygoran » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:09 pm

>Puns are the lowest form of humor, unless you think of them you make them up yourself !<

I disagree--I've enjoyed your puns immensely over the years. And why should it matter whether you actually wrote it yourself or got it via an email from someone else! Regards, Len :)

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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by lennygoran » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:16 pm

>And here all along I thought that scarcasm was the result of incompetent surgery.<

That but it's not only surgeons. I went to my doctor with a piece of cereal stuck to my ear. He told me I wasn't eating right. And be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint!

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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by dulcinea » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:00 pm

Irony and sarcasm are like perfume: they are effective only in small and very carefully measured doses.
If you overuse them--as Michael Moore and David Letterman do all the time--, then you end up with a ,,sense of humour'' that stinks in the most obnoxious way.
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by lennygoran » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:06 am

>Irony and sarcasm are like perfume: they are effective only in small and very carefully measured doses.<

But aren't you overlooking the different tolerance levels people have for puns--mine is very high! :) Some people like their Mexican or Asian food served very spicey--I otoh have little tolerance for hot pepper--when cooking with jalapeno peppers I remove all the seeds and the pith. Regards, Len

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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by dulcinea » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:55 am

lennygoran wrote:>Irony and sarcasm are like perfume: they are effective only in small and very carefully measured doses.<

But aren't you overlooking the different tolerance levels people have for puns--mine is very high! :) Some people like their Mexican or Asian food served very spicey--I otoh have little tolerance for hot pepper--when cooking with jalapeno peppers I remove all the seeds and the pith. Regards, Len
Puns, even the silliest, involve some real cleverness; there is nothing clever about sarcasm, only a hostile intolerant attitude.
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Re: My Definition of Sarcasm:

Post by lennygoran » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:30 am

>there is nothing clever about sarcasm<

I don't know that much about sarcasm but I can't believe there is no cleverness out there in that area. Wiki says this: "Thomas Carlyle despised it: "Sarcasm I now see to be, in general, the language of the devil; for which reason I have long since as good as renounced it".[13] Fyodor Dostoyevsky, on the other hand, recognized in it a cry of pain: Sarcasm, he said, was "usually the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded."

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