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Now this really is paranoia

Post by John F » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:15 am

This is insane, not figuratively but by definition: "in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill."

As Jade Helm 15 Military Exercise Begins, Texans Keep Watch ‘Just in Case’
By MANNY FERNANDEZ
JULY 15, 2015

CHRISTOVAL, Tex. — Despite the Internet chatter about trains with shackles and Walmart stores being closed to be used as detention camps, this small West Texas town on Wednesday seemed to be surviving the start of Jade Helm 15, the military exercise that some people fear is actually a ruse for a federal takeover of the state.

No military equipment or personnel were visible. No tanks were rumbling past the beige-metal community center on Main Street next door to the fire station here, the scene of 4-H Club meetings and family reunions. But that did not mean that people were not on the alert. “I’ve been looking,” said Dr. Jack Campbell, 61, who was picking up his mail at the post office. Dr. Campbell said that he had concerns about the exercise, and that he purchased extra ammunition for the weapons he kept in his home. “Just in case,” added Dr. Campbell, an emergency physician in San Angelo, Tex., 20 miles away. “People are just vigilant. Not vigilantes, but vigilant. They don’t want to be caught off guard.”

Another resident said a friend of his, a Vietnam veteran, started burying some of his firearms to hide them. Members of the Christoval Volunteer Fire Department, which owns the community center, signed an agreement with military officials stating — oddly to some, suspiciously to others — that the Army would pay for any damage to the building after it used it.

Sindy Miller, who runs a hair salon on Main Street, said fear of a military takeover had been the talk of Christoval. “They’re worried that they’re going to come in and take their firearms away,” Ms. Miller said. “Martial law, basically. I try not to listen to all these conspiracy-theory-type people. All they’re worried about is their beer and their guns.”

Jade Helm 15 is an eight-week exercise that has generated paranoia for months fueled by conservative bloggers and Internet postings. It began Wednesday in Texas and six other states: Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico and Utah. Army Green Berets, Navy SEALs and other Special Operations troops will be conducting drills on private property, military bases and at some public facilities. According to military documents, hundreds of service members will participate in the operation in Texas, in more than a dozen mostly small towns and rural counties.

“The public can expect little disruption in their day-to-day activities since much of the exercise will be conducted in remote areas,” the organizer of the exercise, the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C., said in a statement Monday. But in a larger sense, Jade Helm 15 has already caused disruptions, particularly in Texas. On the orders of Gov. Greg Abbott, the Texas State Guard will monitor Jade Helm 15 from Camp Mabry in Austin, the state capital. So will at least one national group of unofficial monitors and protesters that calls itself Counter Jade Helm. It plans to have teams of volunteers follow Army vehicles and post their locations on its website.

Dr. Campbell and others said much of the paranoia over Jade Helm 15 was the outgrowth of the anti-Obama sentiment that is widespread in Texas. Residents supported the governor’s decision to have the state monitor the military’s activities. “I think there’s an overall distrust of the government now,” Dr. Campbell said. “If we had a government that we felt had our backs, I don’t think anybody would give it the time of day.”..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/us/in ... icion.html
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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by jbuck919 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:06 pm

What's worse is that these loonies are a significant part of the Republican base. There won't be a single Republican presidential candidate who will say anything to discourage their delusion.

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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by John F » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:41 pm

What the story doesn't tell is whether this madness is more widespread than in Christoval, Texas, pop. 422. If it's just a tiny hamlet in central Texas that has gone bonkers, then the problem is theirs, not ours.
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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by piston » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:55 pm

I wonder if these are some of the same armed forces recently training in Alberta, Canada. As far as I know, Albertans hardly noticed the 700 US soldiers who joined Canadians and Brits there. And is all this special training in oil producing areas just a coincidence?
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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by John F » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:08 pm

There could be something in that. As far as I can make out, the exercise is about mounting covert resistance to an occupying enemy, and the oil fields would be strategically important to both sides.
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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:16 am

John F wrote:What the story doesn't tell is whether this madness is more widespread than in Christoval, Texas, pop. 422. If it's just a tiny hamlet in central Texas that has gone bonkers, then the problem is theirs, not ours.
It is more widespread. They may not be organized in communes like the next Waco waiting to happen, but there are people within my purview (locals in Stony Creek, Facebook acquaintances from high school, thus right away bringing in two separate geographic zones of NY State) who insist that an important reason to own guns is to defend themselves against government, which they see as the enemy. A long time ago, John, we had a give-and-take on whether the Republican doctrine was that government was the problem or the enemy. We were both right, I think, depending on where one put the fulcrum that balances Right and Extreme Right. However, Republican thinking has "advanced" since Ronald Reagan to the point where "government is the enemy" is creeping toward the operative norm. It's not just guns, either. Here's a statement from someone I did not "friend" on Facebook: "Can we start by agreeing that all taxation is a form of slavery?"

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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by John F » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:38 am

When I spoke of "this madness," I was referring specifically to the Jade Helm 15 paranoia reported in the Times story. Surely that hasn't spread to Stony Creek.
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Post by lennygoran » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:15 am

John F wrote: Surely that hasn't spread to Stony Creek.
Well if it has I'll definitely cancel our summer trip to Saratoga Springs next month--Stony Creek would be a little too close for comfort! Regards, Len :lol:

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Post by jbuck919 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:18 am

lennygoran wrote:
John F wrote: Surely that hasn't spread to Stony Creek.
Well if it has I'll definitely cancel our summer trip to Saratoga Springs next month--Stony Creek would be a little too close for comfort! Regards, Len :lol:
I'll keep my eyes open for any unusual activity coming from the direction of Fort Drum, though it's the wrong season. (Drum is the little-known site for winter combat training, but "mum" rhymes with "Drum." I wouldn't want the locals getting any ideas. ;) The only regular uniformed military site near--actually in--Saratoga Springs is a support station run by, get this, the US Navy, even though it is many miles inland. I took my mother there for her last military dependent ID photo and it was from there that I did my shipping out to Germany.)

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Post by lennygoran » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:55 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
I'll keep my eyes open for any unusual activity coming from the direction of Fort Drum,
Thanks but I stay as far away from Drum as possible-those 2 week summer camps there when I was in the NG back in the 1960's was sure enough for me! Regards, Len

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Post by jbuck919 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:54 pm

lennygoran wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:
I'll keep my eyes open for any unusual activity coming from the direction of Fort Drum,
Thanks but I stay as far away from Drum as possible-those 2 week summer camps there when I was in the NG back in the 1960's was sure enough for me! Regards, Len
Before it was upgraded and was merely "Camp Drum." Leave it to Len to have a Fort Drum story on top of everything else. I remember the place, which is actually a 3.5-hour drive from here way off the beaten path of the I-87 corridor, for convoys that backed up I-87 when I was visiting my parents' families where I now live. What kind of exercise took them so far from home I cannot say, and I have not seen one in my adult life.

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Post by lennygoran » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:42 pm

jbuck919 wrote: I remember the place, which is actually a 3.5-hour drive from here way off the beaten path of the I-87 corridor, for convoys that backed up I-87 when I was visiting my parents' families where I now live.
Yeah I was in those convoys-hated those trucks they carried us in-cold air blowing in-an awful experience. Regards, Len :(

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Post by piston » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:26 pm

NPR's Texas correspondent, Wade Goodwyn, identified the person responsible for this military conspiracy theory as Alex Jones, on his radio show and website, and it's not his first conspiracy story. Alex Jones calls himself a "paleoconservative" and is based in Austin:
Alexander Emerick "Alex" Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American conspiracy theorist, radio show host, documentary filmmaker, and writer. His syndicated news/talk show The Alex Jones Show, based in Austin, Texas, airs via the Genesis Communications Network and shortwave station WWCR across the United States, and on the Internet in video form. His websites include Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his controversial statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology. He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria". Jones describes himself as a libertarian and a paleoconservative.

New York magazine described Jones as "America's leading conspiracy theorist", and the Southern Poverty Law Center describes him as "the most prolific conspiracy theorist in contemporary America." When asked about these labels, Jones said that he finds himself "proud to be listed as a thought criminal against Big Brother"
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Post by piston » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:28 pm

Speaking of paleoconservatives, isn't the old Espionage Act still in force and doesn't it apply to all interference against military operations? If the Counter Jade Helm's "civilian watchdogs" interfere in any tangible way with these exercises, are they not susceptible to be arrested and convicted under that very law?
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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:29 pm

piston wrote:Speaking of paleoconservatives, isn't the old Espionage Act still in force and doesn't it apply to all interference against military operations? If the Counter Jade Helm's "civilian watchdogs" interfere in any tangible way with these exercises, are they not susceptible to be arrested and convicted under that very law?
"Susceptible?" I imagine they're counting on it. :twisted:

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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by Mark Harwood » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:14 am

Paranoia does not exist. The word was invented by the CIA in 1946 to discredit and undermine critics of its operations and those of the New World Order. Any earlier printed reference to the term only proves the point: it has been planted in fake copies of older books to obscure the true history of the word. QED.
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Re: Now this really is paranoia

Post by John F » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:32 pm

Mark Harwood wrote:Paranoia does not exist. The word was invented by the CIA in 1946 to discredit and undermine critics of its operations and those of the New World Order. Any earlier printed reference to the term only proves the point: it has been planted in fake copies of older books to obscure the true history of the word. QED.
Now there's a paranoid statement for you! :mrgreen: Did the CIA write the Wikipedia article on paranoia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia
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