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Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:54 am

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by John F » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:14 pm

That's just stupid. When President Obama took office in 2008, we had just suffered the worse economic crash since 1929. During the last 7 years, the economy has nonetheless recovered and the unemployment rate continues to go down. Wall Streeters fear that the economy is doing so well that the Federal Reserve will finally raise interest rates. The problems described in the article are real but they are structural, existed before 2008, and can't be blamed on the President. Except, of course, by people who want to make political hay, or are...stupid.
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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by lennygoran » Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:10 pm

Come on-we need to go after the one tenth of one percent who have so much wealth! I may wind up voting for Sanders yet! Regards, Len :lol:

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:38 pm

John F wrote:That's just stupid. When President Obama took office in 2008, we had just suffered the worse economic crash since 1929. During the last 7 years, the economy has nonetheless recovered and the unemployment rate continues to go down. Wall Streeters fear that the economy is doing so well that the Federal Reserve will finally raise interest rates. The problems described in the article are real but they are structural, existed before 2008, and can't be blamed on the President. Except, of course, by people who want to make political hay, or are...stupid.
The real unemployment rate has got to be at least 10% and might even be closer to 15%. It's hard to say since once you're no longer getting unemployment benefits and/or no longer looking, you're not counted. Nor does it count those working part time, but who desire to work full time (but can't find full time work). It also doesn't factor in the many who were forced to take much lower paying jobs just to find something.

The only thing that's recovered is the stock market, but many fear (myself included) that is has been artificially boosted by the Fed's printing of money and may not last.

All the indicators are that everyone but the rich are poorer now than when Obama took office, especially the middle class.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:41 pm

lennygoran wrote:Come on-we need to go after the one tenth of one percent who have so much wealth!
And if they are further taxed you'll never see or get one cent of it. Ever. But rest assured, your taxes will be raised once they procure your vote by you thinking they are only going to further tax the rich.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:10 pm

"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by Chalkperson » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:57 am

Randall,

If you want to post videos, please explain what they are/mean etc.

Don't just post links please, they are of no use unless we the members click to open them.

CMG does not allow clickbait.

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by lennygoran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:32 am

You're wrong again-Obama wanted a workfare infrastructure program-guess who stopped it! Regards, Len :(

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:02 am

lennygoran wrote:
You're wrong again-Obama wanted a workfare infrastructure program-guess who stopped it! Regards, Len :(
This is what they want you to believe. Utopia not only never comes, but everyone gets progressively poorer and poorer (except the rich) because of the opposition -- they tell you. The 'troops' never figure it out and further down we all go. We would only all go down further and faster without the opposition stopping some of the agenda.
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"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:02 am

Chalkperson wrote:Randall,

If you want to post videos, please explain what they are/mean etc.

Don't just post links please, they are of no use unless we the members click to open them.

CMG does not allow clickbait.

Thx
OK, sorry I will do that from now on.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by lennygoran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:10 am

rwetmore wrote: Utopia not only never comes,
Utopia, how did this come up-how about just getting people to work and fixing our crumbling infrastructure-Utopia we'll never have. Regards, Len

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:00 am

lennygoran wrote:
rwetmore wrote:Utopia, how did this come up-how about just getting people to work and fixing our crumbling infrastructure-Utopia we'll never have.
Wait a minute now. I thought the stimulus bill from 2009 was supposed to fix our crumbling infrastructure? Where did that money go?
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:11 am

lennygoran wrote:
rwetmore wrote: Utopia not only never comes,
Utopia, how did this come up-Utopia we'll never have.
They don't specifically refer to it as that, but it is effectively what they are striving to achieve. All you have to do is pay attention to the language they use to describe things they want, like for example 'universal health care', which is a utopian concept. And of course the 'troops' will say it's not a quest for utopia, but again it effectively is whether they're consciously aware of it or not.

The great self made thinker Eric Hoffer I think explained this best. He said something to the effect that "their minds have never gone through puberty.....they still think some kind of idealized utopia with little to no suffering or inequity is possible." The conservatives (at least the disciplined fiscal conservatives) are the adults who know better and won't let the children go play.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by Auntie Lynn » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:48 pm

If the economy recovered, it was due to the hard work and ingenuity of the American
worker and not anything the BO administration did. The employment figures can be
manipulated show anything anybody wants. They don’t include those who just stopped
looking, part timers (probably those who can’t qualify for Obamacare)... Don’t look now,
but BO stopped even pretending to be Prez right after he lost the House and Senate...

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by John F » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:58 pm

Auntie Lynn wrote:If the economy recovered, it was due to the hard work and ingenuity of the American worker and not anything the BO administration did.
If you're saying that presidents are very limited in what they can do to promote economic activity, and don't deserve much credit for a growing economy, there's certainly truth in that. But it also means that presidents don't deserve blame when the economy goes down. Politicians pretend they do, but it's not true.
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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by lennygoran » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:38 am

rwetmore wrote:
They don't specifically refer to it as that, but it is effectively what they are striving to achieve.
A system that provides health care for all is possible-watch this show-it can work!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... countries/

Regards, Len

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by rwetmore » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:27 am

lennygoran wrote:
rwetmore wrote:
They don't specifically refer to it as that, but it is effectively what they are striving to achieve.
A system that provides health care for all is possible-watch this show-it can work!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... countries/

Regards, Len
There's not a video in that link. BTW, I'm not saying our private healthcare system is spectacular. In fact, I think it's highly inefficient and needs significant changes. There is a lot of waste, and it's become too expensive.

Also, don't confuse with health care coverage for all as meaning everyone ultimately gets the care they think they need or deserve. They don't, and this is often what's attempted to be swept under the rug by those pushing for 'universal care'. You need to get both sides of the story, because single payer isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Look Who's Bashing Obama's Economy Now

Post by lennygoran » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:03 am

rwetmore wrote: There's not a video in that link.
Don't you see where it says watch online? Regards, Len

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